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Bloomberg Poll: Cruz Takes Big Lead Over Trump In Iowa
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Bloomberg Poll: Cruz Takes Big Lead Over Trump In Iowa
Saturday, December 12, 2015 06:20 PM

By: John McCormick

Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz has surged ahead to become the latest front-runner in the campaign for the Iowa caucuses, dislodging Ben Carson and opening an impressive lead over a stalled Donald Trump, a Bloomberg Politics/Des Moines Register Iowa Poll shows.

The firebrand junior senator from Texas is backed by 31 percent of those likely to attend the Republican caucuses that start the presidential nomination season on Feb. 1. Trump is a distant second at 21 percent, up slightly from 19 percent in October, but below his peak of 23 percent in August.

 

Cruz's 21-percentage-point jump since October is the largest surge between Iowa Polls recorded in at least the last five presidential caucus campaigns

When first and second choices are combined, he has the support of 51 percent of likely caucus-goers. The senator’s great leap forward comes largely at the expense of Carson, as Iowa’s evangelicals appear to have picked the candidate they want to get behind. The retired neurosurgeon, now barely in third-place, is supported by 13 percent, down from the first-place showing he posted in October, when he was at 28 percent.

For Iowa’s conservative voters, “the coalescing has begun,” said J. Ann Selzer, founder of Selzer & Co., the West Des Moines-based firm that conducted the poll.

The same can’t be said for the voters who describe themselves as part of the Republican establishment, which the poll recorded as 29 percent of the likely electorate. For now, Trump has 23 percent from those who consider themselves Republican establishment voters, followed by Cruz at 22 percent. Senator Marco Rubio and his one time mentor, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, are both at 12 percent.

There's no good news in the poll for Bush, who despite his political pedigree as the son and brother of past presidents and a massive campaign war chest, has moved up only slightly since October, to 6 percent from 5 percent, and is in fifth place. The super political action committee supporting Bush has been by far the largest political ad buyer in Iowa, Kantar/CMAG data shows.

Bush's negatives are the highest of any candidate in the field and at an all-time high in the state, with 54 percent of likely Republican caucus-goers viewing him unfavorably. That's up from 43 percent in October. He also recorded his highest level of likely caucus-goers who say they could never support him, 41 percent. "Based on this data, it's hard to keep Bush in the picture," Selzer said.

Cruz’s new front-runner status in Iowa has been accompanied by a jump in his favorability rating, now an all-time high of 73 percent, the highest in the Republican field. That could come as a surprise to members of Washington's establishment, who have shown disdain for him and complained that his three years there have been marked by showmanship, inflexibility and a lack of collegiality. In his campaign autobiography, A Time for Truth, Cruz's opening anecdote recounts him becoming the target of "red-faced name calling" by his Republican Senate colleagues when he wouldn’t go along with a party vote on extending the debt limit.

Cruz dominates yet another gauge the poll takes of candidates' strength, the "Selzer Score," which uses multiple measures to try to assess potential upside in a crowded field. The index looks at first and second choices, as well as whether respondents could ever -- or would never -- support candidates not in their first two choices. (The first choices are given double weight, while “ever support” is given a half weighting.) Using that system, Cruz scores an unprecedented 97.5. He's followed by Trump at 72.5, Carson at 67.5 and Rubio at 62.

The Texan’s rise suggests that Rubio's recent attacks on Cruz for alleged weakness on national security have failed so far to do damage, at least in Iowa. Rubio, the subject of criticism by some Iowa Republians for not spending more time in the state, is treading water: The junior senator from Florida is in fourth place with the support of 10 percent of voters, up just one point from October.

The poll also sets up an intriguing dilemma for Trump, including in the Republican debate Tuesday: The billionaire has sometimes mocked challengers on the basis of their personalities, but doing so against Cruz could prove risky, given the high senator's high favorable rating in Iowa. This weekend, Trump started to attack Cruz for his opposition to the Renewable Fuel Standard that supports the corn-based ethanol industry in Iowa.

In a week when he received the endorsement of one of Iowa's most visible evangelical leaders, the poll shows Cruz with support from 45 percent of those who mainly define themselves as evangelical conservatives, more than double what Carson gets. Half of likely Republican caucus-goers in the poll described themselves as "born again" or evangelical Christian, up from 42 percent in the October poll, possibly signaling greater participation from this group.

"He's very conservative and I agree with most of his views on the financial situation of our country and abortion and gay marriage," said Sarah Chappell, 34, a stay-at-home mother from Des Moines who is leaning toward caucusing for Cruz. "He wants to let us make choices, instead of the government being all powerful and making choices for us."

Cruz is also winning nearly half -- 46 percent -- of those who identify as very conservative, as well as 39 percent of those who consider themselves aligned with the Tea Party movement.

A victory in the Iowa caucuses would give Cruz some early- state momentum that could help carry him well beyond the second voting state of New Hampshire, where he isn't nearly as strong.

Unlike some recent Iowa Republican caucus winners, who have foundered because they didn’t have the campaign cash to capitalize on their strong showing in the state where the first ballots are cast, Cruz has plenty of money: His campaign committee had collected $26 million as of Sept. 30 and a family of super-political action committees backing him reported receipts of more than $37 million as of June 30.

With just seven weeks until the caucuses, a third of those likely to participate on the Republican side say their mind is made up. Trump and Cruz supporters are more certain, at 45 percent and 43 percent, respectively.

New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee and Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky are tied for sixth place, with each getting 3 percent. All other candidates recorded 2 percent or less. Paul's score in the Iowa Poll could be enough to knock him from the main debate stage Tuesday in Las Vegas.

In keeping with Iowa tradition, the poll suggests there will be lots of late deciders, so Cruz can't coast. Almost a third say they're likely to still be deciding the week leading up to the caucuses, while 30 percent say they expect to have their minds made up at least a week ahead of time. Just 3 percent of likely Republican caucus-goers say they've signed a pledge card for a particular candidate, while 1 percent admit to signing one for more than one candidate.

Among the top four candidates in the poll, Cruz scores the highest on half of the 14 candidate attributes tested, with Trump winning the other half. Cruz is strongest on items related to presidential leadership, while Trump is strongest on questions related to getting specific things done, such as managing the economy, solving illegal immigration and reducing the deficit.

The billionaire real estate mogul also beats Cruz, 30 percent to 26 percent, on the question of who has the best chance to beat Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton in the general election.

Underscoring the anti-establishment mood, just 19 percent of likely Republican caucus-goers say they'd prefer a governor to win the nomination. Senators are picked by 30 percent, while a "government outsider who has handled complex issues and managed teams" is the preference of 39 percent.

A minority of 40 percent of likely Republican caucus-goers support making abortion illegal, including in cases of rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother. Among supporters of Cruz—who supports a no-exceptions abortion ban—that number is 58 percent, compared to 30 percent among Trump's backers.

More than two-thirds of likely Republican caucus-goers want to stop all U.S. resettlement of Syrian war refugees, 61 percent support sending at least 20,000 troops to fight the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria and 54 percent support deporting the estimated 11 million undocumented residents in the U.S.

On fiscal issues, almost three-quarters of Republican caucus-goers support a tax reform plan that cuts taxes on all Americans, including the very wealthiest. Sixty one percent want to abolish the Internal Revenue Service. Roughly the same proportion want to repeal the financial reform laws enacted after the banking crisis in 2008, and say they think climate change is a hoax.

The Iowa Poll, taken Dec. 7-10, included 400 likely Republican caucus participants. On the full sample, it has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.9 percentage points, although higher for subgroups.

 
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Re: Bloomberg Poll: Cruz Takes Big Lead Over Trump In Iowa
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2015, 12:36:55 am »
Excellent news!  While I appreciate Trump speaking truth to power, Cruz to me is the more realistic presidential candidate.

Even more excellent news is that 64% of GOP caucus voters support non-GOPe candidates.

The most excellent news is that Captain Three Percent of the USS GOPe has the highest negatives of any candidate, Trump included, at 53%.  He has not shot in Iowa.  None at all.  An ideological revolution within a political party is a glorious thing to not only witness, but also be an active participant in the revolution.  That the elitists are crying like children as their heads are spinning at what is happening is icing on the cake.  I truly believe they had no idea this was coming, and the Yeb was as big a shoe-in as Hillary is to the Dems.
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Re: Bloomberg Poll: Cruz Takes Big Lead Over Trump In Iowa
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Re: Bloomberg Poll: Cruz Takes Big Lead Over Trump In Iowa
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2015, 01:28:57 am »
First off, Selzer does great polls in Iowa. They caught the Joni Ernst breakout late in the Senate race against Braley in '14.

Second, though I'm a Cruz supporter, I'm wary of these results. Not that I disagree with them, but Iowa is not a predictor of the nominee. What they do is pick the conservative in the race, and weed out the wannabes, while New Hampshire picks the moderate favorite and further weeds out the wannabes. South Carolina and Florida are where it gets real.

That said, the money paragraph in the article is that Cruz, unlike Santorum in '12, has the money to move forward from Iowa should he win, which should also help solidify some name recognition and create some momentum. Don't know if he's got the legs Trump does at the moment, but he's got legs.
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Re: Bloomberg Poll: Cruz Takes Big Lead Over Trump In Iowa
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2015, 02:22:58 am »
First off, Selzer does great polls in Iowa. They caught the Joni Ernst breakout late in the Senate race against Braley in '14.

Second, though I'm a Cruz supporter, I'm wary of these results. Not that I disagree with them, but Iowa is not a predictor of the nominee. What they do is pick the conservative in the race, and weed out the wannabes, while New Hampshire picks the moderate favorite and further weeds out the wannabes. South Carolina and Florida are where it gets real.

That said, the money paragraph in the article is that Cruz, unlike Santorum in '12, has the money to move forward from Iowa should he win, which should also help solidify some name recognition and create some momentum. Don't know if he's got the legs Trump does at the moment, but he's got legs.

It certainly is great news as I am a huge Cruz supporter and truly feel that he is our very last change of restoring this country.  I can't help but wonder what Trump will do.  Will he announce a 3rd party run at that point?  I listened to him in an interview and he stated that he doesn't like to lose and he doesn't lose.  If he does run 3rd party, it not only gives credence to those who felt he was in this to hand Hillary the White House, but it completely destroys the GOP.
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Re: Bloomberg Poll: Cruz Takes Big Lead Over Trump In Iowa
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2015, 02:24:06 am »
Good for TC but remember Little Ricky Santorum won Iowa.  **nononono*

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Re: Bloomberg Poll: Cruz Takes Big Lead Over Trump In Iowa
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2015, 02:26:59 am »
It certainly is great news as I am a huge Cruz supporter and truly feel that he is our very last change of restoring this country.  I can't help but wonder what Trump will do.  Will he announce a 3rd party run at that point?  I listened to him in an interview and he stated that he doesn't like to lose and he doesn't lose.  If he does run 3rd party, it not only gives credence to those who felt he was in this to hand Hillary the White House, but it completely destroys the GOP.

Why don't we wait and see what Trump does before criticizing him for it.  Meanwhile, the GOPe literally did huddle in "secret" to try and figure out how to finagle Captain Three Percent into the GOP nomination, even if he doesn't actually win any other primaries outside of Florida. 
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Re: Bloomberg Poll: Cruz Takes Big Lead Over Trump In Iowa
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2015, 02:34:31 am »
Why don't we wait and see what Trump does before criticizing him for it.  Meanwhile, the GOPe literally did huddle in "secret" to try and figure out how to finagle Captain Three Percent into the GOP nomination, even if he doesn't actually win any other primaries outside of Florida.

Not criticizing Trump at all.  I am merely wondering how he will react?  If Cruz wins Iowa, one of two things is going to happen; either Trump will give him a pat on the back or try to destroy him.  The GOPe has been preparing to take out Trump; now they've got to find a way to destroy Cruz or maybe now they realize they're going to have to take out both. 

As for Jeb winning Florida; that's a long shot.  He and Rubio will be duking it out and I predict they will destroy each other and neither one of them will take their home state.  Just my humble opinion.
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Re: Bloomberg Poll: Cruz Takes Big Lead Over Trump In Iowa
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2015, 02:38:18 am »
Good for TC but remember Little Ricky Santorum won Iowa.  **nononono*

Sadly, Ron Paul actually won it in the end. The Iowa GOP rewards almost all it's nomination delegates at state convention, not the straw poll. They got their delegates there and were able to control the slate.

But I get your point. Santorum won it on a shoestring, and he had no shot after Iowa. If Cruz wins at least he's got the money to go farther. Trump obviously is set up well for the distance.
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Re: Bloomberg Poll: Cruz Takes Big Lead Over Trump In Iowa
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2015, 02:40:41 am »
Iowa Republicans picked President Huckabee for their choice in 2008, and President Santorum for their choice in 2012.

The Iowa voters overall however picked President Obama both times.

So if history repeats itself, Iowa Republicans will pick the most religious choice possible, and the state will vote democrat again in November 2016.

How is Iowa meaningful anymore?

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Re: Bloomberg Poll: Cruz Takes Big Lead Over Trump In Iowa
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2015, 02:54:30 am »
Iowa Republicans picked President Huckabee for their choice in 2008, and President Santorum for their choice in 2012.

The Iowa voters overall however picked President Obama both times.

So if history repeats itself, Iowa Republicans will pick the most religious choice possible, and the state will vote democrat again in November 2016.

How is Iowa meaningful anymore?

IMHO, Iowa is important is it shows that a candidate has some relevance and a real chance going forward.  I think especially in this election.  Keep in mind how far ahead Trump has been in the polls and now Cruz is ahead of him when he had been polling at only about 6%.  Those that come in 1st, 2nd and 3rd in Iowa will probably be those candidates that will continue to place in the top three.  It is a pivotal point in the election when candidates start to decide that it may be time to gracefully bow out.
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Re: Bloomberg Poll: Cruz Takes Big Lead Over Trump In Iowa
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2015, 02:57:55 am »
Pat Robertson once won Iowa.  That ought to tell you how irrelevant Iowa is.
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Re: Bloomberg Poll: Cruz Takes Big Lead Over Trump In Iowa
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2015, 03:19:48 am »
Iowa Republicans picked President Huckabee for their choice in 2008, and President Santorum for their choice in 2012.

The Iowa voters overall however picked President Obama both times.

So if history repeats itself, Iowa Republicans will pick the most religious choice possible, and the state will vote democrat again in November 2016.

How is Iowa meaningful anymore?

Again, you're showing your ignorance of politics. Personally I wish they'd give FITN to some other state, it really messes up the political scene here. As far as Iowa voting Democrat again in '16, that just vapid speculation, but even so that's completely irrelevant to the GOP nomination process.

But it's not about one particular state, but retail politics. Go ahead and pick a state like Texas or Florida to go first and the contest will be over before it starts because only the most well funded candidate will win. Small states give everyone the ability to at least get a leg in the game and really allow people to actually vet them up close.
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Re: Bloomberg Poll: Cruz Takes Big Lead Over Trump In Iowa
« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2015, 04:38:28 am »
IMHO, Iowa is important is it shows that a candidate has some relevance and a real chance going forward.  I think especially in this election.  Keep in mind how far ahead Trump has been in the polls and now Cruz is ahead of him when he had been polling at only about 6%.  Those that come in 1st, 2nd and 3rd in Iowa will probably be those candidates that will continue to place in the top three.  It is a pivotal point in the election when candidates start to decide that it may be time to gracefully bow out.

Exactly.  Iowa is important because polls are just polls until electors are chosen.  I've got to ask, liberty, because you've been the most vocal supporter of Senator Cruz of all of us...does that ear to ear smile on your face hurt at all? :patriot:

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Re: Bloomberg Poll: Cruz Takes Big Lead Over Trump In Iowa
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2015, 12:22:43 pm »
Exactly.  Iowa is important because polls are just polls until electors are chosen.  I've got to ask, liberty, because you've been the most vocal supporter of Senator Cruz of all of us...does that ear to ear smile on your face hurt at all? :patriot:

Hardly an ear to ear smile.  This is politics.  It is way too early to become overly optimistic.  It is a fact that the GOPe hates both Cruz and Trump.  Both have exposed them for their corruption in different ways.  Either a Trump or Cruz presidency would end their "games" at the ole country club and the Washington cartel will unravel.  I believe there is very little difference between the GOPe and the DEMS and they would rather hand the nomination over to Hillary than Trump or Cruz and they will stop at nothing to eliminate the two of them and push Rubio or even Jeb through; although Jeb has stated that he won't bow out before Iowa.

I was overly optimistic that Romney would win over Obama; certainly Rove and all the polls indicated a landslide ... obviously they couldn't have been more wrong.

As a note; I found it very unsettling that Romney stepped down to supposedly do what was in the best interest of the party and let McCain have the nomination ... Romney wasn't that far behind and I think he was "asked" to step aside.  The GOPe is used to getting what they want and the past several elections they've tried to place a GOPe candidate in the oval office and they have lost.  So, no, hardly smiling from ear to ear.
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Re: Bloomberg Poll: Cruz Takes Big Lead Over Trump In Iowa
« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2015, 02:37:42 pm »
The entire poll:

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Re: Bloomberg Poll: Cruz Takes Big Lead Over Trump In Iowa
« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2015, 02:46:33 pm »
Hardly an ear to ear smile.  This is politics.  It is way too early to become overly optimistic.  It is a fact that the GOPe hates both Cruz and Trump.  Both have exposed them for their corruption in different ways.  Either a Trump or Cruz presidency would end their "games" at the ole country club and the Washington cartel will unravel.  I believe there is very little difference between the GOPe and the DEMS and they would rather hand the nomination over to Hillary than Trump or Cruz and they will stop at nothing to eliminate the two of them and push Rubio or even Jeb through; although Jeb has stated that he won't bow out before Iowa.

I was overly optimistic that Romney would win over Obama; certainly Rove and all the polls indicated a landslide ... obviously they couldn't have been more wrong.

As a note; I found it very unsettling that Romney stepped down to supposedly do what was in the best interest of the party and let McCain have the nomination ... Romney wasn't that far behind and I think he was "asked" to step aside.  The GOPe is used to getting what they want and the past several elections they've tried to place a GOPe candidate in the oval office and they have lost.  So, no, hardly smiling from ear to ear.

For whatever it's worth to you, I think you have a REALLY good handle on the big picture here!  :patriot:
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Re: Bloomberg Poll: Cruz Takes Big Lead Over Trump In Iowa
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2015, 03:52:16 pm »
It is a fact that the GOPe hates both Cruz and Trump.  Both have exposed them for their corruption in different ways.  Either a Trump or Cruz presidency would end their "games" at the ole country club and the Washington cartel will unravel. 

I agree.  But in the end I think Trump scares them even more than Cruz.  Cruz has ties to pac money and is conflicted on immigration controls so Cruz would still come to the office with with strings to the Washington/media cartel.  Trump represents a complete break with all of the corrupt establishment's tentacles--and they simply cannot roll the dice on that.


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Re: Bloomberg Poll: Cruz Takes Big Lead Over Trump In Iowa
« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2015, 01:56:10 am »
For whatever it's worth to you, I think you have a REALLY good handle on the big picture here!  :patriot:

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« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2015, 02:31:37 am »
Good.  Now on to other states.........
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