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Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US
« on: December 07, 2015, 11:28:08 pm »
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/262348-trump-calls-for-shutdown-of-muslims-entering-us

December 07, 2015, 04:30 pm
Trump calls for 'shutdown' of Muslims entering US

By Ben Kamisar

Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump wants to bar all Muslims from entering the United States.

In a statement from his campaign, Trump called for a "total and complete shutdown" of Muslims entering the United States until elected leaders can "figure out what is going on."

When asked by The Hill whether that would include Muslim-American citizens currently abroad, Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks replied over email: "Mr. Trump says, 'everyone.'"

Trump is quoted in the statement as saying that a significant number of Muslims harbor a "hatred" toward America and as a result should be kept out of the country.

He backed that up with a poll by the Center for Security Policy, a think-tank that has criticized the role of Muslims in America.

That poll showed that one-quarter of Muslims living in America polled "agreed that violence against Americans here in the United States is justified as part of the global jihad" and that a majority think that Muslims in America should be allowed to answer to Shariah law.

"Without looking at the various polling data, it is obvious to anybody the hatred is beyond comprehension. Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine," Trump said.
"Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life."
 
Trump's comments come less than a week after a mass shooting in San Bernardino, Calif., killed 14 people. The alleged shooters were both Muslim, and the federal government is investigating whether the attack was tied to terrorism.
 
The move also follows President Obama's Sunday night speech, where he preached the importance of tolerance in light of the California shooting.

"It's our responsibility to reject proposals that Muslim Americans should somehow be treated differently. Because when we travel down that road, we lose. That kind of divisiveness, that betrayal of our values plays into the hands of groups like ISIL," Obama said.

"Muslim Americans are our friends and our neighbors, our co-workers, our sports heroes. And, yes, they are our men and women in uniform who are willing to die in defense of our country. We have to remember that."

Some of Trump's GOP rivals have called to restrict refugees from majority Muslim countries in light of concerns of terror attacks, but none have gone as far as Trump.

Sen. Ted Cruz (Texas) proposed a bill to bar refugees from countries with "territory substantially controlled by a foreign terrorist organization," with an exception carved out for those facing genocide. While he doesn't specifically exempt Christian refugees from those countries, he's said repeatedly that Christian refugees don't pose a threat and should be welcomed into America.
Sen. Rand Paul (Ky.) proposed a similar bill to bar refugees from countries with "significant jihadist movements."
 
The Democratic National Committee instantly pounced on the call, harkening back to when Republican National Committee chairman Reince Priebus called Trump a "net positive" to the party.
 
"Donald Trump is indeed a ‘net positive’ for the Republican Party — as their Chairman called him — because he shows America what the Republican Party really stands for with his rhetoric that only helps enemies like ISIL/Daesh to recruit extremists," Christina Freundlich, a DNC spokeswoman, said in a statement using two alternative names for the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.
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Re: Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2015, 11:29:05 pm »
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/262368-gop-dem-rivals-condemn-trumps-muslim-ban-proposal

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GOP, Dem rivals condemn Trump's Muslim ban proposal

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Re: Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2015, 11:29:12 pm »
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Re: Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2015, 11:35:57 pm »

Land sakes... I think I'm gettin' the vapors.   :thud:

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Re: Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2015, 12:11:55 am »
December 07, 2015 -

​Donald J. Trump Statement on Preventing Muslim Immigration

(New York, NY) December 7th, 2015, -- Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on. According to Pew Research, among others, there is great hatred towards Americans by large segments of the Muslim population. Most recently, a poll from the Center for Security Policy released data showing "25% of those polled agreed that violence against Americans here in the United States is justified as a part of the global jihad" and 51% of those polled, "agreed that Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to Shariah." Shariah authorizes such atrocities as murder against non-believers who won't convert, beheadings and more unthinkable acts that pose great harm to Americans, especially women.

Mr. Trump stated, "Without looking at the various polling data, it is obvious to anybody the hatred is beyond comprehension. Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine. Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life. If I win the election for President, we are going to Make America Great Again." - Donald J. Trump

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration


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Re: Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2015, 12:40:23 am »
Trump is apparently referring to this poll from the Center for Security Policy think tank:

Poll of U.S. Muslims Reveals Ominous Levels Of Support For Islamic Supremacists’ Doctrine of Shariah, Jihad

"... nearly a quarter of the Muslims polled believed that, “It is legitimate to use violence to punish those who give offense to Islam by, for example, portraying the prophet Mohammed.”

And the other 3/4 are lying about it!
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Re: Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2015, 01:34:38 am »

Trump is making this election a referendum on our counter response to terrorism. I'm betting Americans have something to say about it, something in keeping with our history and tradition...once the Kenyan's gone.

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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2015, 01:53:53 am »
Donald Trump's call to ban Muslim immigrants is based on a very shoddy poll

Philip Bump
The Washington Post
December 7, 2015

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... The Center for Security Policy is an organization run by Frank Gaffney, who is identified as an anti-Muslim extremist by the Southern Poverty Law Center. The survey Trump cites was conducted earlier this year on behalf of the organization ...

Full article

I have unbridled contempt for the SPLC, however, I know nothing about the Center for Security Policy, so I can neither approve of them nor condemn them.

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Re: Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2015, 01:57:35 am »
And the other 3/4 are lying about it!

What's the old saying?

A radical muslim wants to kill you... a moderate muslim wants a radical muslim to kill you...


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Re: Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2015, 01:57:54 am »
Somebody was going to post this sooner or later - being this is all over the news.  May as well be me

Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump defended his decision Monday to call for a “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States,” touching off an outraged response from his rivals for the nomination and Muslim groups.

“We have no idea who is coming into our country, no idea if they like us or hate us,” Trump told supporters in S.C. “I wrote something today that is very salient…and probably not very politically correct. But I don’t care.”

Trump added that his proposal is “common sense” and “we have no choice”.  He warned the crowd that “we can be politically correct and stupid but it’s going to get worse and worse.”

The proposed ban would stand "until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on," his campaign said in a statement earlier Monday.

 The statement added that Trump's proposal comes in response to the level of hatred among "large segments of the Muslim population" toward Americans.

 It also comes five days after a radical Muslim couple killed 14 people and injured 21 at a Christmas party in San Bernardino, Calif.

“Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life,” Trump said in a statement.

 A recent Fox News poll found that both a majority of Democrats and Republicans believe at least one Syrian refugee coming into the U.S. will likely carry out an attack.

 Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski told the Associated Press that Trump's proposed ban would apply to "everybody," including Muslims seeking immigration visas as well as tourists seeking to enter the country.

 Trump did not respond to questions about whether any ban would also include Muslims who are U.S. citizens and travel outside the country - or how a determination of someone's religion might be made by customs and border officials.

 In response to a request for additional detail, Trump said via a campaign spokeswoman: "Because I am so politically correct, I would never be the one to say. You figure it out!"

 Meanwhile, his rivals for the nomination wasted no time weighing in.

 "Donald Trump is unhinged," Jeb Bush said via Twitter. "His `policy' proposals are not serious."

 Carly Fiorina said, "Trump's overreaction is as dangerous as President Obama's under-reaction."

 John Kasich slammed Trump's "outrageous divisiveness," while a more measured Ted Cruz, who has always been cautious about upsetting Trump's supporters, said, "Well, that is not my policy."

 Muslim-American groups also expressed their outrage.

“Mr. Trump's anti-Muslim immigration proposal is disappointing, unconstitutional, and empowers extremist ideology. It has no place in civilized American discourse,” Qasim Rashid, national spokesperson for Ahmadiyya Muslim Community USA told FoxNews.com.

 "This type of knee jerk, if not demagogic policy stance, is unmitigated surrender to the Islamist global narrative that they, ISIS, and all the Islamist theocrats of the world own what is and is not Islam and faithful Muslim," said Zuhdi Jasser, president of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/12/07/trump-calls-for-complete-shutdown-on-muslims-entering-us.html

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« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2015, 02:05:21 am »
Except for the one thing that prevents us from becoming the Nazis of 1933 – it’s called the First Amendment. Such a loathsome boar, and unfortunately there is nothing remotely funny about him  anymore.
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« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2015, 02:07:12 am »
Donald Trump is going from being a disaster to being an unmitigated disaster of epic proportions.

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« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2015, 02:11:25 am »
Except for the one thing that prevents us from becoming the Nazis of 1933 – it’s called the First Amendment. Such a loathsome boar, and unfortunately there is nothing remotely funny about him  anymore.


Also how in the hell does this idiot expect to implement it? There is no way in hell it will pass in Congress. Is he going to do it via Executive Action? I also agree his no longer funny..
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« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2015, 02:13:25 am »
Except for the one thing that prevents us from becoming the Nazis of 1933 – it’s called the First Amendment.

Yeah... just like the 2nd Amendment keeps our right to bear arms from being infringed...

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« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2015, 02:15:33 am »
Donald Trump:  from clown to unmitigated disaster.

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« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2015, 02:16:48 am »

Also how in the hell does this idiot expect to implement it? There is no way in hell it will pass in Congress. Is he going to do it via Executive Action? I also agree his no longer funny..

He's not going to. Meant for nothing but getting his fans excited and making headlines.  Him needing to be noticed by the news, is like oxygen and water for you and me.
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« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2015, 02:18:59 am »
Trump is making this election a referendum on our counter response to terrorism. I'm betting Americans have something to say about it, something in keeping with our history and tradition...once the Kenyan's gone.

Obama is probably the worst disaster that's befallen this country, but seriously man, that paranoid birther Kenyan crap has got to go.

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« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2015, 02:19:24 am »
Obama is probably the worst disaster that's befallen this country, but seriously man, that paranoid birther Kenyan crap has got to go.


Agreed.

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Obama is probably the worst disaster that's befallen this country, but seriously man, that paranoid birther Kenyan crap has got to go.


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Re: Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US
« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2015, 02:43:32 am »
Except for the one thing that prevents us from becoming the Nazis of 1933 – it’s called the First Amendment. Such a loathsome boar, and unfortunately there is nothing remotely funny about him  anymore.

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“Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life,” Trump said in a statement.



What the hell does calling for a complete shutdown on Muslim immigration while we're dealing with ISIS have to do with Freedom of Speech?

Are you guys just about out of 'Ugly Pills'?   Time to re-up??

At least he's not calling for rounding them up behind barbed wire, ala FDR.
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« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2015, 02:44:16 am »
What the hell does calling for a complete shutdown on Muslim immigration while we're dealing with ISIS have to do with Freedom of Speech?

Are you guys just about out of 'Ugly Pills'?   Time to re-up??

At least he's not calling for rounding them up behind barbed wire, ala FDR.


Don't worry; I have no doubt the barbed-wire bit is coming up soon.

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« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2015, 02:46:21 am »

Don't worry; I have no doubt the barbed-wire bit is coming up soon.

Come on, Oceander.   You're better than this.   
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« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2015, 02:49:09 am »


What the hell does calling for a complete shutdown on Muslim immigration while we're dealing with ISIS have to do with Freedom of Speech?

Are you guys just about out of 'Ugly Pills'?   Time to re-up??

At least he's not calling for rounding them up behind barbed wire, ala FDR.

Freedom of Speech?   Have you ever read the First Amendment?  Well the Supreme Court has - and Trump does not have a snowball's chance in hell of getting this one done.

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« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2015, 02:49:11 am »
Come on, Oceander.   You're better than this.   


You wouldn't even know because you've gone so far down the Trump rabbit hole.