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Re: Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US
« Reply #50 on: December 08, 2015, 03:32:41 am »
Is it because the idea is coming from Trump?

No. It is because what he proposes is completely impossible to do.
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Re: Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US
« Reply #51 on: December 08, 2015, 03:32:42 am »
No. I do not.

You're willing to let in people from Muslim countries even though there is no way of vetting them, without even pausing the practice to try and come up with a better vetting system?

Really?
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Re: Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US
« Reply #52 on: December 08, 2015, 03:34:26 am »
No. It is because what he proposes is completely impossible to do.

Pausing immigration from Middle Eastern Islamic countries is impossible?

How so?  We've done it with other countries before while at war with them, or their citizens.
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Re: Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US
« Reply #53 on: December 08, 2015, 03:35:51 am »
You're willing to let in people from Muslim countries even though there is no way of vetting them, without even pausing the practice to try and come up with a better vetting system?

Really?

Not what I said at all!  Did you see my post above where I  said I agree with Rand on this issue?
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Re: Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US
« Reply #54 on: December 08, 2015, 03:38:35 am »
Pausing immigration from Middle Eastern Islamic countries is impossible?

How so?  We've done it with other countries before while at war with them, or their citizens.

Your goalposts are moving! Pausing, which I  support, is a completely different thing than a "complete shutdown".
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Re: Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US
« Reply #55 on: December 08, 2015, 03:41:29 am »
It sometimes seems that we are so used to never, ever solving problems in America that when someone proposes something that actually would solve a problem, we can't stomach it.  We cannot stop the inflow of people whose only wish is to kill as many Americans and cause as much destruction as possible, because there might be some in their number who are neutral or even opposed to that idea.  Even temporarily. A country that must, because of its sensibilities, welcome the Trojan Horse with open arms, even though we know the enemy army is in its belly.  Fascinating.  I believe that most here and elsewhere cannot fathom a movement that could destroy such a large nation.  Well, not yet anyway.  So fascinating, the barbarians are indeed at the gates and anyone suggesting closing them is brutalized as an oven-charging Nazi.  Rome is crumbling as we argue over our oh, so high ideals.  The dead have no ideals.
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Re: Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US
« Reply #56 on: December 08, 2015, 03:44:28 am »
The loudest critic in this thread says it's a First Amendment issue, which I fail to see how that can all be the case.  If anything it's stupid in this thread, which was your criticism of Trump, it's that line of reasoning.

How is the First Amendment affected?   "Asked by The Hill whether that would include American Muslims currently abroad, Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks replied over email: “Mr. Trump says, ‘everyone.’ ”   OK, now we are talking the restriction of movement of AMERICAN Citizens because of their religion. Damn right that violates the First Amendment's Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause.   But you wouldn't know any of that, sounding like you took a correspondence course from Obama's law school professor.   
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Re: Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US
« Reply #57 on: December 08, 2015, 03:45:05 am »
Your goalposts are moving! Pausing, which I  support, is a completely different thing than a "complete shutdown".

It was very clear in his actual statement that it was temporary ("while we get a handle on things").  It will be a more popular position than you might imagine...especially if the attacks and deaths continue.
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Re: Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US
« Reply #58 on: December 08, 2015, 03:47:16 am »
I'm just getting on this thread to state the obvious.

This is just one more example of Trump's making an outrageous statement just to get attention.

As I have stated before as an educator, bad children need attention, and they don't care whether the attention is bad or good, as long is everyone is looking at them.

Donald Trump clearly wants people to look at him.  It's what he does.......
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Re: Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US
« Reply #59 on: December 08, 2015, 03:49:51 am »
Your goalposts are moving! Pausing, which I  support, is a completely different thing than a "complete shutdown".

Uh.....pausing to a stop...even temporarily, IS a complete shutdown.

Stop = Shutdown.....when I went to school.
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Re: Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US
« Reply #60 on: December 08, 2015, 03:51:41 am »
I'm just getting on this thread to state the obvious.

This is just one more example of Trump's making an outrageous statement just to get attention.

As I have stated before as an educator, bad children need attention, and they don't care whether the attention is bad or good, as long is everyone is looking at them.

Donald Trump clearly wants people to look at him.  It's what he does.......

Like the Trump documentary that played on the History Channel recently said,  - "Trump needs media attention, like you and I need oxygen and water."   
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Re: Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US
« Reply #61 on: December 08, 2015, 03:55:23 am »
Like the Trump documentary that played on the History Channel recently said,  - "Trump needs media attention, like you and I need oxygen and water."

Let me get this straight....

A candidate (Trump) with no super pacs, plays the media like a fine-tuned harp, and you Trump-Derangement people don't like it.


Ooookaaaaay!    :whistle:
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Re: Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US
« Reply #62 on: December 08, 2015, 03:58:41 am »
How is the First Amendment affected?   "Asked by The Hill whether that would include American Muslims currently abroad, Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks replied over email: “Mr. Trump says, ‘everyone.’ ”   OK, now we are talking the restriction of movement of AMERICAN Citizens because of their religion. Damn right that violates the First Amendment's Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause.   But you wouldn't know any of that, sounding like you took a correspondence course from Obama's law school professor.

American citizens have been denied re-entry before, but I don't advocate it on a large scale.  I do like the idea of halting allowing these "refugees" from Islamic countries in, and Trump is the only candidate even talking about it.

The GOPe is in full support of it, even if the FBI and DHS say there is no way to vet them.  Do you support the relocation of Arabic Muslims who can't be vetted?

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Re: Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US
« Reply #63 on: December 08, 2015, 04:07:32 am »
Dustin Ulsterman
48 mins ·

Media attacks Trump's Muslim moratorium comments even as voter approval sky-rockets. Media and DC Establishment are so impossibly out of touch with typical Americans.

THE NATION IS P*SSED OFF.

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Re: Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US
« Reply #64 on: December 08, 2015, 04:07:48 am »
American citizens have been denied re-entry before, but I don't advocate it on a large scale.  I do like the idea of halting allowing these "refugees" from Islamic countries in, and Trump is the only candidate even talking about it.

The GOPe is in full support of it, even if the FBI and DHS say there is no way to vet them.  Do you support the relocation of Arabic Muslims who can't be vetted?

I agree about the refugees - I think all of us do here. But Trump is talking ALL Muslims from entering the country from abroad, and as his spokesman said "including Americans".   No president has that power. Its a stupid sound bite that he will back away from before the debate next week, I can promise you. 
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Re: Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US
« Reply #65 on: December 08, 2015, 04:21:47 am »
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Re: Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US
« Reply #66 on: December 08, 2015, 04:26:21 am »
Um, the US Constitution applies to citizens of the United States. 

Wrong. It has been found to apply to those in our country. An illegal immigrant, get his "due process."

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Re: Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US
« Reply #67 on: December 08, 2015, 04:31:14 am »
Looks like the ripcord already got pulled on this thread by the TDS gang.

Even more odd it came on Pearl Harbor day, where the US actually did take measures against allowing immigration from enemy countries, even if they weren't themselves soldiers. 

Hell, we even rounding up the Japanese and put them into prison camps in the USA.
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Re: Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US
« Reply #68 on: December 08, 2015, 04:37:38 am »
I agree about the refugees - I think all of us do here. But Trump is talking ALL Muslims from entering the country from abroad, and as his spokesman said "including Americans".   No president has that power. Its a stupid sound bite that he will back away from before the debate next week, I can promise you.

I don't care what his spokesperson said.  He didn't say it on the stage, and what he said makes a lot of sense.
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Re: Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US
« Reply #69 on: December 08, 2015, 04:38:01 am »
Damned Redskins are driving me crazy.

What a crazy game.


.....back to the thread.     :laugh:
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Re: Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US
« Reply #70 on: December 08, 2015, 04:38:34 am »
Wrong. It has been found to apply to those in our country. An illegal immigrant, get his "due process."

We're talking before they become illegal immigrants, though.  Don't even let them in the country. 

Apples to oranges.
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Re: Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US
« Reply #71 on: December 08, 2015, 04:39:46 am »
We're talking before they become illegal immigrants, though.  Don't even let them in the country. 

Apples to oranges.

Aren't they cute, Carling?    :laugh:

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Re: Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US
« Reply #72 on: December 08, 2015, 04:43:32 am »
Damned Redskins are driving me crazy.

What a crazy game.


.....back to the thread.     :laugh:

Wow, unreal last 2 minutes.  Nobody wants to win the NFC East.
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Re: Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US
« Reply #73 on: December 08, 2015, 04:47:12 am »
Wow, unreal last 2 minutes.  Nobody wants to win the NFC East.

Can't wait until Spring Training.

And you know sure as God made little green apples, Sinkspur is going to have something to say about this travesty.    ^-^
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Re: Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US
« Reply #74 on: December 08, 2015, 05:59:59 am »

Also how in the hell does this idiot expect to implement it?

Mandatory bacon at the border?