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CNN/ORC Poll: Trump alone at the top again
« on: December 04, 2015, 01:21:34 pm »
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/04/politics/donald-trump-poll-cnn-orc-national/index.html

CNN/ORC Poll: Trump alone at the top again

(CNN)Donald Trump is once again alone at the top of the Republican field, according to the latest CNN/ORC Poll, with 36% of registered Republicans and Republican-leaning independents behind him, while his nearest competitor trails by 20 points.

Three candidates cluster behind Trump in the mid-teens, including Texas Sen. Ted Cruz at 16%, former neurosurgeon ....

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For those people still in denial, you don't have to look. I'm not offended.

But, The facts are, the truth is, Trump will be the Republican nominee. Wishful thinking not withstanding, Donald Trump will not fade away.
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Re: CNN/ORC Poll: Trump alone at the top again
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2015, 01:47:33 pm »
If the polls are correct (doubtful) then this is a nation of morons

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Re: CNN/ORC Poll: Trump alone at the top again
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2015, 01:57:27 pm »
If the polls are correct (doubtful) then this is a nation of morons

That's exactly right, geronl!  Glad you recognize it.

Given the state of the nation, he should be up by 40 points. 
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Re: CNN/ORC Poll: Trump alone at the top again
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2015, 01:59:37 pm »
We are seeing the expected San Bernardino bump for Trump.  Every time there is a new terrorist threat, the people are going to go nativist, and Trump is going to benefit from that.  It does scare me that Trump can be so coarse and still be untouchable by the rest of the field.  Whether he ultimately gets the nomination is going to be a question of how he does once the field is down to two or three.  As it is, I believe the nomination is his to lose, unfortunately.

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Re: CNN/ORC Poll: Trump alone at the top again
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2015, 05:00:29 pm »
That's exactly right, geronl!  Glad you recognize it.

Given the state of the nation, he should be up by 40 points.
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Re: CNN/ORC Poll: Trump alone at the top again
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2015, 05:08:44 pm »
Be careful.  Margin of error is 4.5% which is right at the edge of a bogus poll.  Only 445 Republicans were polled, which is a very low sample.

So, Ted Cruz could be as high as 21% and Trump could be at 31%.  A 10% delta is more realistic and in keeping with other polls.
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Re: CNN/ORC Poll: Trump alone at the top again
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2015, 05:10:57 pm »
That's exactly right, geronl!  Glad you recognize it.

Given the state of the nation, he should be up by 40 points. 

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Re: CNN/ORC Poll: Trump alone at the top again
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2015, 05:27:06 pm »
Be careful.  Margin of error is 4.5% which is right at the edge of a bogus poll.  Only 445 Republicans were polled, which is a very low sample.

So, Ted Cruz could be as high as 21% and Trump could be at 31%.  A 10% delta is more realistic and in keeping with other polls.

Seriously?  Just yesterday you were telling us all how Trump was collapsing in the polls, and now you're trying to hedge a poll that says he's on top? That dog won't hunt.
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Re: CNN/ORC Poll: Trump alone at the top again
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2015, 05:32:05 pm »
Seriously?  Just yesterday you were telling us all how Trump was collapsing in the polls, and now you're trying to hedge a poll that says he's on top? That dog won't hunt.

No I wasn't. I have never said Trump is "collapsing in the polls." He's not collapsing but he's rarely been above 30%.    A ten percent delta sounds about right, not 20.
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Re: CNN/ORC Poll: Trump alone at the top again
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2015, 05:44:02 pm »
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/trump_change

Trump Change
Trump Change: Trump’s Chances Continue To Improve

Friday, December 04, 2015

Donald Trump’s message still appears to resonate with Republican voters with his perceived chances to clinch the GOP presidential nomination up for the second straight survey. Belief among all voters that he will be the nominee is also up to its highest level since mid-October.

The latest Rasmussen Reports weekly Trump Change survey finds that 68% of Likely Republican Voters believe Trump is likely to be their party’s nominee next year, up from 53% two weeks ago and the highest finding since late October. This includes 32% who now think Trump is Very Likely to win the GOP race, up from 24% in the previous survey and also the highest finding in over a month. Twenty-seven percent (27%) of GOP voters still say Trump is unlikely to win the nomination, but just seven percent (7%) consider it Not At All Likely. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Overall belief among Republican voters that the billionaire developer is likely to win the nomination spiked to a high of 74% in late October but had generally run in the mid-50s for most weeks since Rasmussen Reports began the weekly survey in mid-August. His perceived chances rose over 60% in mid-November just after the terrorist attacks in Paris.

Among all likely voters, 56% think Trump is the likely Republican nominee, including 23% who say it’s Very Likely. These findings, too, are the highest measured since October. Thirty-seven percent (37%) consider a Trump nomination unlikely, with 15% who say he is Not At All Likely to win.

Trump appears to be benefiting from his tough talk against radical Islamic terrorism following the tragedies in Paris and now in San Bernardino, California. Trump says he supports government tracking of Muslims living in the United States. In a survey taken before the San Bernardino incident, a plurality of Republican voters - and one-third of all voters - supported government monitoring of individual Muslims.


The survey of 1,000 Likely U.S. Voters was conducted on December 2-3, 2015 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC. See methodology.

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Voters are evenly divided when asked whether Trump or Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton would do a better job keeping the country safe from radical Islamic terrorism. Predictably, almost equal numbers of Democrats (76%) and Republicans (73%) express more confidence in the presidential contender from their respective party.

Fifty-five percent (55%) of voters not affiliated with either major political party think it’s likely Trump will win the GOP nomination, including 19% who say that’s Very Likely. That’s also a slight improvement from the previous survey.

While fewer than half of Democrats (47%) think Trump is likely to be nominated, that’s the highest finding yet.

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Trump is still leading the pack in Rasmussen Reports’ most recent look at the Republican presidential primary race following last month’s primary debate.
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Re: CNN/ORC Poll: Trump alone at the top again
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2015, 05:49:02 pm »
No I wasn't. I have never said Trump is "collapsing in the polls." He's not collapsing but he's rarely been above 30%.    A ten percent delta sounds about right, not 20.

From this thread: www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,187354.0.html

 
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I totally agree with the commentary in the lead post - but I really don't think we need to worry about conservatives not voting for Trump, because I do not believe he will be our nominee. He has already peaked, and his numbers have been going down not up. It's still marginal and he still sits on top in most polls with about 28%, but the drop is noticeable.  In the coming months when we whittle the choices down to three or four candidates, the 59% polling for other candidates besides Trump will gravitate toward somebody not Trump. It may be Cruz, it may be Carson, or maybe Rubio, but it will be Trump 28% vs. Candidate XXX with 40+%   


That's pretty much the way I feel.  Trump had numbers in the 30s as little as a month ago.  Now, he's down to 27% in the latest Quinnipiac.

  As the Huckabee's and Santorums and others drop out, their support will NOT go to Trump or he would have it already.  Rubio and Cruz will rise and, ultimately, it will be a face off between those two.

Don't know what the Trumpster-divers do.  Maybe they stay home, which would be ironic given all their ranting about OTHERS staying home.

I'd say if you are mocking about the Trump supporters staying home, you must think he's heading south quickly.
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Re: CNN/ORC Poll: Trump alone at the top again
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2015, 05:51:57 pm »
But, don't worry Trump will fade soon...well, maybe someday soon.. Or, the near future, certainly by next year...right after Memorial Day, but, no later than Labor Day. October?

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Re: CNN/ORC Poll: Trump alone at the top again
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2015, 06:07:54 pm »
If the polls are correct (doubtful) then this is a nation of morons
That became clear in 2008 and 2012. If Donald Trump is the best candidate from my side, I will adapt and give him a chance.

I listen to our candidates and they all sound about the same. Tired olde rehearsed, predicatable, focus group tested political speeches. They are politicians and they sound like politicians.

Trump and Carson are the only exceptions.
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Re: CNN/ORC Poll: Trump alone at the top again
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2015, 06:12:14 pm »
My sense of the electorate is that never have they been more disgusted by politics and politicians. If you want to win, don't be one or sound like one. This is not the time for measured responses.
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Re: CNN/ORC Poll: Trump alone at the top again
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2015, 06:12:14 pm »
Be careful.  Margin of error is 4.5% which is right at the edge of a bogus poll.  Only 445 Republicans were polled, which is a very low sample.

So, Ted Cruz could be as high as 21% and Trump could be at 31%.  A 10% delta is more realistic and in keeping with other polls.
And the probability of them being only ten points apart, is near zero.
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« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2015, 06:14:56 pm »
From this thread: www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,187354.0.html

 

That's pretty much the way I feel.  Trump had numbers in the 30s as little as a month ago.  Now, he's down to 27% in the latest Quinnipiac.

  As the Huckabee's and Santorums and others drop out, their support will NOT go to Trump or he would have it already.  Rubio and Cruz will rise and, ultimately, it will be a face off between those two.

Don't know what the Trumpster-divers do.  Maybe they stay home, which would be ironic given all their ranting about OTHERS staying home.

I'd say if you are mocking about the Trump supporters staying home, you must think he's heading south quickly.

LOL!!  Never said "collapse."  That's your word.  I still think Trump's ceiling is 30%. RCP average is 30% and it's been a steady 30% for a month.
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Re: CNN/ORC Poll: Trump alone at the top again
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2015, 06:16:32 pm »
And the probability of them being only ten points apart, is near zero.

Trump's RCP average is 30%. This poll is an outlier.
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« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2015, 06:23:39 pm »
LOL!!  Never said "collapse."  That's your word.  I still think Trump's ceiling is 30%. RCP average is 30% and it's been a steady 30% for a month.

Excellent defense - if you're a lawyer or a bureaucrat. If you're talking about 'Trumpster-divers' staying home, you're talking about collapse.
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« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2015, 06:42:15 pm »
Excellent defense - if you're a lawyer or a bureaucrat. If you're talking about 'Trumpster-divers' staying home, you're talking about collapse.

"Maybe."  I predict that if Trump starts dropping in the polls, we'll have another wholesale pout on the part of the fringers.  In other words, they'll just stay home on election day.
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Re: CNN/ORC Poll: Trump alone at the top again
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2015, 08:00:11 pm »
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/lara-brown/2015/12/04/the-cnn-poll-with-trump-at-36-percent-has-a-serious-flaw

Don't Buy Trump's Big Lead
The new CNN/ORC poll showing Donald Trump at 36 percent has a serious flaw.


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The latest CNN/ORC poll has captured a tremendous amount of attention because real estate mogul Donald Trump has hit a polling high of 36 percent. The media pundits and partisans have taken to fretting about Trump winning the Republican nomination. And even Trump believes his poll numbers "go up" when there are national tragedies because he represents strength and we have " weak, sad politicians."

While some of this may be true, there is another reason for Trump's rise: a bad polling practice. When you examine the poll, which was taken from Nov. 27 through Dec. 1, 2015 (which was a holiday weekend and is problematical all by itself in terms of who the respondents were), it is clear that the pollsters chose to ask five questions on the topic of illegal immigration prior to asking about the Republican nomination horserace. This is a bad polling practice that can skew the results.

As Pew Research has explained with respect to the ordering of the presidential approval question, "if the survey first asks about the economy and then asks about presidential approval, the respondent may still be thinking about the economy when answering the latter question ... [and] if the respondent is only thinking about the economy because we brought up the issue, his or her response about the president may be biased by what we call a context effect: In this case we would be priming the respondent to consider the economy in an assessment of the president."



This is essentially what CNN/ORC did with the five questions that were focused on illegal immigration. It's highly likely that the registered Republican respondents whom they queried were still thinking about illegal immigration when they were asked about the Republican candidate they would support for the presidential nomination. And from the moment that Trump burst onto the presidential election stage in mid-June, he has been the candidate who has been most identified with the issue of immigration. Hence, it's not surprising that Trump's support is higher in this poll than in the previous two polls where they did not ask these immigration questions.

Further, when you look back to an earlier poll, which did include the immigration questions (Sept. 4-8, 2015), Trump's support again was in the 30s.

Question order matters. Every pollster and public opinion scholar knows that context effects are real. People can be led towards answers and priming can muddy the results.

CNN/ORC should have picked up on the differences in the four polls that they've conducted over the past three months. They should have noticed that in the two polls where they asked these immigration questions Trump's support was on average about 8.5 percentage points higher than in the two polls where they didn't ask them. Simply put, it's hard to know exactly where Trump's support stands among those who are likely to be Republican primary voters, but I sincerely doubt that it's anywhere near 36 percent.





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Re: CNN/ORC Poll: Trump alone at the top again
« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2015, 08:08:31 pm »
Don't worry, folks. Trump will fade.  :silly:

If I were a betting man – and I'm not – I would put money on Trump's being nominated.

And Trump hasn't even begun a serious media ad campaign. Here in New York I heard a couple of Ted Cruz ads and a couple of Carly Fiorina ads, but that's it.
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« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2015, 02:53:23 am »
Fishrrman's off-the-wall absolutely-tinfoil predictions:

By January, Trump will be polling at 40%.

If he shows well in Iowa and wins convincingly in New Hampshire, he'll rise to 45%.

If he wins big in South Carolina and tops both Rubio and ¡Jeb! in Florida, he'll hit 50%.

Trump is going to be the G.O.P. nominee.
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« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2015, 02:57:33 am »
I think Trump is going to win this.  I love Cruz but I don't think he's going to get hot enough to win.
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