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Byron York: Voters don't want honest. They want strong.
« on: December 02, 2015, 05:11:12 pm »
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Byron York: Voters don't want honest. They want strong.
By Byron York (@ByronYork) • 12/2/15 8:18 AM

In a new Quinnipiac national poll of the Republican and Democratic presidential races, the candidates whom voters view as least honest and trustworthy are leading the pack. In fact, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump score almost equally on the issue.

When asked "Would you say that Hillary Clinton is honest and trustworthy or not?" 60 percent of voters nationally said she is not, versus 36 percent who said she is.

When asked "Would you say that Donald Trump is honest and trustworthy or not?" 59 percent of voters nationally said he is not, versus 35 percent who said he is.

If the two were to meet in a general election, voters would face a choice of candidates widely viewed as not honest and trustworthy.

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Re: Byron York: Voters don't want honest. They want strong.
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2015, 05:20:33 pm »
To paraphrase a bumper sticker seen in the Louisiana gubernatorial race in 1991 between David Duke and Edwin Edwards:

Elect the liar
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Re: Byron York: Voters don't want honest. They want strong.
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2015, 05:24:42 pm »
We can all follow the honest politician to the unemployment line......
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Re: Byron York: Voters don't want honest. They want strong.
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2015, 05:29:09 pm »

In six months of Donald Trump's campaign I have yet to hear him utter a lie. Did he misspeak, was he politically incorrect, did he misremember events, did he get some facts wrong? He sure did.

Did he lie? No.
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Re: Byron York: Voters don't want honest. They want strong.
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2015, 05:32:01 pm »
Quote from: aligncare on December 02, 2015, 05:29:09 pm
In six months of Donald Trump's campaign I have yet to hear him utter a lie. Did he misspeak, was he politically incorrect, did he misremember events, did he get some facts wrong? He sure did.

Did he lie? No.

I have not heard him lie about anything.. He is a tad rough around the edges, but lie, no.
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Re: Byron York: Voters don't want honest. They want strong.
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2015, 05:34:27 pm »
Quote from: aligncare on December 02, 2015, 05:29:09 pm
In six months of Donald Trump's campaign I have yet to hear him utter a lie. Did he misspeak, was he politically incorrect, did he misremember events, did he get some facts wrong? He sure did.

Did he lie? No.

Misspeak?  Get some facts wrong?  Then repeat them over and over after it was pointed out to him that what he was saying was false?

That's a lie to most normal people, which is why he is viewed as not honest and trustworthy by 2/3 of the public.
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Re: Byron York: Voters don't want honest. They want strong.
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2015, 05:38:10 pm »
Quote from: sinkspur on December 02, 2015, 05:34:27 pm
Misspeak?  Get some facts wrong?  Then repeat them over and over after it was pointed out to him that what he was saying was false?

That's a lie to most normal people, which is why he is viewed as not honest and trustworthy by 2/3 of the public.

Sounds just like a poster on this very forum!
« Last Edit: December 02, 2015, 05:38:29 pm by Bigun »
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Re: Byron York: Voters don't want honest. They want strong.
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2015, 05:39:14 pm »
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When asked "Would you say that Donald Trump is honest and trustworthy or not?" 59 percent of voters nationally said he is not, versus 35 percent who said he is.
  where is that poll?
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Re: Byron York: Voters don't want honest. They want strong.
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2015, 05:39:53 pm »
When did America change, so that strong=loud?

Cruz is strong. Walker is strong. They aren't loud.
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Re: Byron York: Voters don't want honest. They want strong.
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2015, 05:46:02 pm »
Quote from: flowers on December 02, 2015, 05:39:14 pm
  where is that poll?

Look up the Quinnipiac poll from TODAY.
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Re: Byron York: Voters don't want honest. They want strong.
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2015, 05:46:04 pm »

You go into battle with the men and equipment you have. Right now, Donald Trump is the best we have to defeat Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders or any other Democrat they put up as a last ditch effort.

As much as I love Cruz I don't think he can win a national election.

GOPe Rubio–Jeb Bush's protégé in Florida–need not apply.
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Re: Byron York: Voters don't want honest. They want strong.
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2015, 05:47:26 pm »
Quote from: sinkspur on December 02, 2015, 05:46:02 pm
Look up the Quinnipiac poll from TODAY.

Quinnipiac is a student poll. Come up with something better, like an AP poll or NBC poll. Then we'll talk.
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« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2015, 05:49:00 pm »
Quote from: aligncare on December 02, 2015, 05:46:04 pm
You go into battle with the men and equipment you have. Right now, Donald Trump is the best we have to defeat Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders or any other Democrat they put up as a last ditch effort.

As much as I love Cruz I don't think he can win a national election.

GOPe Rubio–Jeb Bush's protégé in Florida–need not apply.

According to the latest Quinnipiac poll, Rubio, Cruz and Carson all have a better chance of beating Hillary than Trump.

Trump is a reprehensible human being. THAT is the reason I cannot support him.  Ever.
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Re: Byron York: Voters don't want honest. They want strong.
« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2015, 05:50:13 pm »
Quote from: aligncare on December 02, 2015, 05:46:04 pm

As much as I love Cruz I don't think he can win a national election.

He certainly can't if we don't support him.
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« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2015, 06:10:13 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on December 02, 2015, 05:50:13 pm
He certainly can't if we don't support him.

What do you mean by support? I'm for the guy.

I can't make this any plainer: I think Ted Cruz would be a fantastic president. But, will he be able to attract crossover voters in a general election? I honestly don't think so. Therefore, in my humble opinion, he cannot win a general election.

But, if he were the number two guy on the ticket, there's no way we could lose.
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Re: Byron York: Voters don't want honest. They want strong.
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2015, 07:11:11 pm »
Quote from: aligncare on December 02, 2015, 06:10:13 pm
What do you mean by support? I'm for the guy.

I can't make this any plainer: I think Ted Cruz would be a fantastic president. But, will he be able to attract crossover voters in a general election? I honestly don't think so. Therefore, in my humble opinion, he cannot win a general election.

But, if he were the number two guy on the ticket, there's no way we could lose.

I mean support in the normal sense of the word: "he's my guy", put on a bumper sticker, send money, do campaign work, endorse him, that kind of stuff.
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Re: Byron York: Voters don't want honest. They want strong.
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2015, 07:26:20 pm »
Quote from: aligncare on December 02, 2015, 05:46:04 pm
You go into battle with the men and equipment you have. Right now, Donald Trump is the best we have to defeat Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders or any other Democrat they put up as a last ditch effort.

As much as I love Cruz I don't think he can win a national election.

GOPe Rubio–Jeb Bush's protégé in Florida–need not apply.
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Re: Byron York: Voters don't want honest. They want strong.
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2015, 12:24:54 am »
Quote from: Sanguine on December 02, 2015, 05:50:13 pm
He certainly can't if we don't support him.

The problem is there simply aren't enough of "us" to produce a win for Cruz.

He's very, very good at preaching to the choir.  I don't envision him pulling in Independents, Democrats those undecided how to vote.

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« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2015, 01:05:29 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on December 03, 2015, 12:24:54 am
The problem is there simply aren't enough of "us" to produce a win for Cruz.

He's very, very good at preaching to the choir.  I don't envision him pulling in Independents, Democrats those undecided how to vote.

We'll see.  I think there are enough of us.
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Re: Byron York: Voters don't want honest. They want strong.
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2015, 01:09:42 am »
LOL!   Exactly what I said months ago.

They want somebody who knows how to fight and win.
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Re: Byron York: Voters don't want honest. They want strong.
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2015, 01:21:02 am »
Quote from: Sanguine on December 03, 2015, 01:05:29 am
We'll see.  I think there are enough of us.

I agree! The people are sorely TIRED of being patronized and lied to!
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« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2015, 03:29:40 am »
Quote from: EC on December 02, 2015, 05:39:53 pm
When did America change, so that strong=loud?

Cruz is strong. Walker is strong. They aren't loud.

Yup.  Didn't someone once say, speak softly and carry a big stick?
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« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2015, 03:32:08 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on December 03, 2015, 12:24:54 am
The problem is there simply aren't enough of "us" to produce a win for Cruz.

He's very, very good at preaching to the choir.  I don't envision him pulling in Independents, Democrats those undecided how to vote.



That may depend on whom he picks as running mate.  Someone pointed out yesterday, I think, that we haven't had a conservative president with a moderate VP since Reagan/Bush.  Perhaps if Cruz picks a moderate to run with, and they really work as a team and don't just tolerate each other, then we may see something like that happen again.

In addition to all his other flaws, Trump is too brash and too much of an enemy-maker to play that role successfully.  On the other hand, Rubio would probably fit that role very well.
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