Trump on ABC "This Week": Will not rule out Muslim database or a 3rd party run

[sinkspur]

Trump on ABC "This Week":  Will not rule out Muslim database or a 3rd party run

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[sinkspur]

Stephanopolous:  "Will you unequivocally rule out a database on all Muslims?"

Trump: "Absolutely not."

[sinkspur]

Trump, who signed and waved around a pledge to support the GOP candidate if he is not the nominee, is now back to saying he has to be treated "fairly" or he would consider a 3rd party run.

So his signature is literally not worth the paper it's printed on.

He also went off in the weeds, maintaining that "thousands and thousands of Arabs in New Jersey were cheering as the World Trade Towers came down." 

That never happened.

And, to top it all off, Trump said that John Kasich was the head of Lehman Brothers. Kasich was never the head of Lehman.

[aligncare]

You're trying to rile up the wrong crowd here, sink. We are wholly pissed off at Muslims, refugees, Islam, terrorism, jihad, sharia, beheadings, Allahu Akbar, and the whole bloody rest!

At this point a database, a national registry, DNA collection, photometrics, fingerprinting (internment camps, anyone?) sounds pretty sensible to me.

[sinkspur]

You're trying to rile up the wrong crowd here, sink. We are wholly pissed off at Muslims, refugees, Islam, terrorism, jihad, sharia, beheadings, Allahu Akbar, and the whole bloody rest!

At this point a database, a national registry, DNA collection, photometrics, fingerprinting (internment camps, anyone?) sounds pretty sensible to me.

Of course it does.  Cuz Herr Trump said it, so it's great.  A national database based on religion.  Completely unconstitutional.

Does it matter to you that he's nuts?  That he believes all that conspiracy nonsense about Arabs in New Jersey cheering the fall of the Twin Towers, which has been thoroughly debunked?  Or that he thinks John Kasich ran Lehman Brothers?

You're a thoroughly brainwashed sycophant of Donald Trump.

[sinkspur]

Trump: ‘I Want a Database for the Refugees.’

 by JIM GERAGHTY   
November 22, 2015 10:48 AM

A fascinating phenomenon — no matter how many times Donald Trump is asked if he supports a database for all Muslims in the U.S., Trump answers as if he’s been asked about a database for Syrian refugees — which the U.S. already has; all refugee applicant fingerprints are checked against FBI, DHS, and Department of Defense databases and kept on file — and affirms his support for “databases.”

STEPHANOPOULOS: You did stir up a controversy with those comments over the database. Let’s try to clear that up. Are you unequivocally now ruling out a database on all Muslims?

TRUMP: No, not at all. I want a database for the refugees that — if they come into the country. We have no idea who these people are. When the Syrian refugees are going to start pouring into this country, we don’t know if they’re ISIS, we don’t know if it’s a Trojan horse. And I definitely want a database and other checks and balances. We want to go with watchlists. We want to go with databases. And we have no choice. We have no idea who’s being sent in here. This could be the Trojan — it’s probably not, but it could be the great Trojan horse of all time, where they come in. When I look at those migration — and when I look at the migration and the lines and I see all strong, very powerful looking men, they’re men, and I see very few women, I see very few children, there’s something strange going on. And if you look at what’s happened in Europe, a lot of bad things are happening in Europe. Just ask the folks that live in Germany, George. A lot of bad things are happening. So –

STEPHANOPOULOS: But the statistics do show –

TRUMP: We want to be smart. We want to — hey, George, we want to be vigilant. We have to be vigilant and we have to call — is radical — we have to just say it. It’s radical Islamic terrorism, and that’s what it is. And we have a president that won’t even issue the term. But when the Syrians come in, or wherever they are, because we’re not even sure that they’re coming in from Syria, if they’re going to come in, we have to be very, very vigilant and a database would be fine for them, and watchlist is fine. We have to watch and see what we’re doing. They should not come in, by the way. They should not be allowed to come in.

 Notice Trump goes on at length, and never quite says something like, “I would not require American citizens who follow Islam to be on a watch list or register with the government.” If you’re among those who think it’s a terrific idea, you get the feeling Trump backs it, too. If you think it’s a terrible idea, Trump never comes out and calls for it.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/427472/trump-i-want-database-refugees-jim-geraghty

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Trump Not Ruling Out an Independent Bid Again, Despite Pledge

 by JIM GERAGHTY   

November 22, 2015 9:59 AM

Hey, remember when Donald Trump signed a pledge to run as a Republican and not run as an independent or third-party candidate? Remember when he said, “I see no circumstances under which I would turn up that pledge”?

Yeah, nevermind. 

Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump would not rule out making a run for president as an Independent despite signing a pledge in September saying he would support the eventual GOP nominee instead of running a third-party bid. “I’m going to have to see what happens. I will see what happens. I have to be treated fairly,” Trump said Sunday on ABC’s “This Week” when asked about a new guerrilla effort by operatives within the Republican Party to derail Trump’s candidacy.

 “When I did this, I said I have to be treated fairly. If I’m treated fairly, I’m fine. All I want to do is [have] a level playing field.”

Did he forget that big press conference at Trump Tower? “The best way for the Republicans to win is if I win the nomination… for that reason I have signed the pledge. I will be totally pledging my allegiance to the Republican party and the conservative principles for which its stands.”

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/427472/trump-i-want-database-refugees-jim-geraghty

[NavyCanDo]

The one thing his money can't buy.....The ability to complete a sentence. 

[mystery-ak]

I have no problem with putting thousands of immigrants in databases..I want to know who they are, where they go and where they work and live....since the day we were born and our birth was registered we are in someone's database...you have a drivers license, you have a job, you pay taxes, you collect SS..etc...we are all in DATABASES and can be found almost instantly with a google search.....this argument to me is laughable.

[Right_in_Virginia]

I have no problem with putting thousands of immigrants in databases..I want to know who they are, where they go and where they work and live....since the day we were born and our birth was registered we are in someone's database...you have a drivers license, you have a job, you pay taxes, you collect SS..etc...we are all in DATABASES and can be found almost instantly with a google search.....this argument to me is laughable. 

Mega dittos!   :thumbsup2:

[sinkspur]

I have no problem with putting thousands of immigrants in databases..I want to know who they are, where they go and where they work and live....since the day we were born and our birth was registered we are in someone's database...you have a drivers license, you have a job, you pay taxes, you collect SS..etc...we are all in DATABASES and can be found almost instantly with a google search.....this argument to me is laughable.

Muslim-Americans, then, are already in these databases.  We do not track people based on religion.

Myst, it is unconstitutional to maintain a separate database for gun-owners, that requires them to sign up so they can be tracked.  It is also unconstitutional to impose this on any religion, for any reason.

Yes, the argument is laughable but the laugh is on the advocates for such a database.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Stephanopolous:  "Will you unequivocally rule out a database on all Muslims?"  Trump: "Absolutely not." 

Come on Sink, this was a setup question with the words "unequivocally" and "all Muslims".  From your later post of the transcripts they were actually talking about Syrian "refugees'. 

TRUMP: No, not at all. I want a database for the refugees that — if they come into the country. We have no idea who these people are. When the Syrian refugees are going to start pouring into this country, we don’t know if they’re ISIS, we don’t know if it’s a Trojan horse. And I definitely want a database and other checks and balances. We want to go with watch lists. We want to go with databases. And we have no choice. We have no idea who’s being sent in here.

[mystery-ak]

Muslim-Americans, then, are already in these databases.  We do not track people based on religion.

Myst, it is unconstitutional to maintain a separate database for gun-owners, that requires them to sign up so they can be tracked.  It is also unconstitutional to impose this on any religion, for any reason.

Yes, the argument is laughable but the laugh is on the advocates for such a database.

Most of if not all of these *refugees* are undocumented, how do we determined who and what they are..

I agree it's unconstitutional but different times requires different measures...It is not our fault that these terrorist are all Muslim...I am not talking about making them wear the cresent moon on their chests..I am talking about keeping an eye on them after they are here...for them to report *in* when they move or get a new job..at least for awhile.

If everyone is so concerned may I suggest you all sponsor a family of 4 Syrian refugees in your homes....oh wait..there are very few families...strike that....make that 4 Syrian men you know nothing about, allow them in your homes...let's see how many politicians, pundits and everyone else who wants to open the floodgates.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Muslim-Americans, then, are already in these databases.  We do not track people based on religion.

Sink, again, the conversation was about Syrian refugees.  I think anyone coming into this country should sign the guest book and be tracked.  We have not only the right, but in today's world we also have the responsibility to know who's here,  why they're here and what they are doing.

It's good old common sense.

[Sanguine]

Trump sounds correct on this one.

[240B]

Trump's poll numbers are constantly moving up, up, and further up.

The reporter who thought he trapped Trump into some kind of gotcha statement, actually helped him. His numbers are booming after this faux controversy.

I think that the Liberals, both the Dem Liberals in the media, and the screaming Jeb/GOPe liberals in the new Republican party, are so detached from regular America, they connot comprehend that statements like this make Trump stronger, instead of damaging him.

At this point in history,  Americans want a strong leader, and not some weak whimpy Liberal who is shackled by political correctness, and who is afraid of his own shadow. We can't afford someone like that now. The world is too dangerous to play patty-cake with the enemy and sit around singing Kumbaya all the while thinking we are actually accomplishing something.

The world is not like that anymore. It is not that place. We need real leadership and real action. You cannot 'coexist' with people who want to kill you.

[massadvj]

Don't get me wrong.  I think Trump is a nativist yahoo.  BUT.  I marvel at the MSM's perplexity at Trump's popularity.  People in this country do not feel free and therefore they see no reason why groups that threaten us should not be expected to sacrifice some freedom, constitution be damned.

The MSM thinks all this nativist bs hurts Trump when in fact it feeds his popularity.

[sinkspur]

Most of if not all of these *refugees* are undocumented, how do we determined who and what they are..

I agree it's unconstitutional but different times requires different measures...It is not our fault that these terrorist are all Muslim...I am not talking about making them wear the cresent moon on their chests..I am talking about keeping an eye on them after they are here...for them to report *in* when they move or get a new job..at least for awhile.

If everyone is so concerned may I suggest you all sponsor a family of 4 Syrian refugees in your homes....oh wait..there are very few families...strike that....make that 4 Syrian men you know nothing about, allow them in your homes...let's see how many politicians, pundits and everyone else who wants to open the floodgates.

Exactly what was done 70 years ago in Germany.

I can't believe the hysteria that has overtaken this place.

[sinkspur]

Sink, again, the conversation was about Syrian refugees.  I think anyone coming into this country should sign the guest book and be tracked.  We have not only the right, but in today's world we also have the responsibility to know who's here,  why they're here and what they are doing.

It's good old common sense.

No. It includes American citizens.  Who is going to be "monitored" by Trump in the mosques he wants to surveil?  Just Syrian refugees?

The federal government has lost track of 11 million illegals and they're all right in front of them.   We may have the responsibility to know who's here, but the Muslims who may be terrorists are not going to sign into any database.

[DCPatriot]

I have no problem with putting thousands of immigrants in databases..I want to know who they are, where they go and where they work and live....since the day we were born and our birth was registered we are in someone's database...you have a drivers license, you have a job, you pay taxes, you collect SS..etc...we are all in DATABASES and can be found almost instantly with a google search.....this argument to me is laughable.

  

...other than misspelling "desperate".   

[Right_in_Virginia]

No. It includes American citizens.  Who is going to be "monitored" by Trump in the mosques he wants to surveil?  Just Syrian refugees?

From your earlier post:
 

Notice Trump goes on at length, and never quite says something like, “I would not require American citizens who follow Islam to be on a watch list or register with the government.” If you’re among those who think it’s a terrific idea, you get the feeling Trump backs it, too. If you think it’s a terrible idea, Trump never comes out and calls for it.

[mystery-ak]

Exactly what was done 70 years ago in Germany.

I can't believe the hysteria that has overtaken this place.

You are so out of touch with the mood of the American electorate..this is why Trump is so ahead....even Congress defied Obama and voted to stop this Syrian invasion for now..they feel the mood also.

[Bigun]

If I am not badly mistaken our current immigration laws REQUIRE the keeping of a database of ALL immigrants!

[240B]

You are so out of touch with the mood of the American electorate..this is why Trump is so ahead....even Congress defied Obama and voted to stop this Syrian invasion for now..they feel the mood also.

Exactly.  He is going on about the hysteria on this site, when what he is really describing is the mood of most of America, as is borne out by almost all the recent polls.

Sink, I am at a deficit to understand in which province you reside, or at which estate you reside, however, your sentiments do not seem to reflect those of the majority of citizens who claim America to be their original and primary domicile.

[Scottftlc]

You'd think, if databases were such a touchy damn thing I wouldn't get so many telephone calls for timeshares, cruises and Disney vacations...those people seem to know everything about me down to my underwear size.