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Ted Cruz won’t rule out legalization for illegal immigrants
« on: November 21, 2015, 11:09:37 pm »
I don't know what or who to trust anymore? :shrug:

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“If we put in place a strong E-Verify system and deport criminal illegal aliens, the number of people here illegally will drop significantly, particularly if there’s not a continual flow of people coming in illegally,” Cruz said.

“At that point, once we’ve demonstrated that we can solve the problem, then we can have a conversation about what to do about whatever people remain illegally,” Cruz added. When asked if that conversation included the potential for a pathway to legal status, he repeated, “We can have that conversation with the American people once we secure the border.”

http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2015/11/21/ted-cruz-wont-rule-out-legalization-for-illegal-immigrants/

Link To The Time Article
 http://time.com/4123317/ted-cruz-immigration-reform-amnesty/
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Re: Ted Cruz won’t rule out legalization for illegal immigrants
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2015, 11:36:03 pm »
OK, here we are again with another reporter doing a gotcha hypothetical "won't rule out" question. This kind of question is meaningless garbage and frankly is another example of lazy hyperbolic journalism. Blame the reporter not Cruz, regardless of where you are on the issue - the question, and this reporter, are both s**t.
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Re: Ted Cruz won’t rule out legalization for illegal immigrants
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2015, 11:45:58 pm »
I'm at the place where I don't believe any "quotes" from any candidates that I'm reading now.  The media is all in for Hillary - and these tricks are meant to help her win the election.  I'm going to have to see it on video before I'm going to take this stuff as gospel - even then it could be edited.



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Re: Ted Cruz won’t rule out legalization for illegal immigrants
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2015, 12:08:23 am »
OK, here we are again with another reporter doing a gotcha hypothetical "won't rule out" question. This kind of question is meaningless garbage and frankly is another example of lazy hyperbolic journalism. Blame the reporter not Cruz, regardless of where you are on the issue - the question, and this reporter, are both s**t.

Like Trump Thursday, why couldn't Cruz have said "no"?  It's easy to do. Why didn't he do it.

I, for one, think we're going to have to legalize some of these people so that makes me more favorable toward Cruz.

Like Trump's supporters, Cruz's supporters just can't stand him going off the reservation. 

It's funny as hell.
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Re: Ted Cruz won’t rule out legalization for illegal immigrants
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2015, 12:17:28 am »
I think Cruz' answer was perfectly reasonable and he was alert to hypothetical "rule out". Saying either "yes" or "no" to this question boxes you in on a hypothetical and is a breathless "breaking news" headline maker. That's why journalists that ask these are lazy, lousy reporters just looking for a gotcha and 5 minutes of TV time.
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Re: Ted Cruz won’t rule out legalization for illegal immigrants
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2015, 12:27:43 am »
I think Cruz' answer was perfectly reasonable and he was alert to hypothetical "rule out". Saying either "yes" or "no" to this question boxes you in on a hypothetical and is a breathless "breaking news" headline maker. That's why journalists that ask these are lazy, lousy reporters just looking for a gotcha and 5 minutes of TV time.

If Cruz or Trump or anybody else can't handle hypothetical questions, they need to get better at it. "Gotcha" questions are part of the repertoire of reporters, and whining about it, like Trump and Rush did yesterday, makes the candidate look pathetic.
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Re: Ted Cruz won’t rule out legalization for illegal immigrants
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2015, 12:59:17 am »
Like Trump Thursday, why couldn't Cruz have said "no"?  It's easy to do. Why didn't he do it.

I, for one, think we're going to have to legalize some of these people so that makes me more favorable toward Cruz.

Like Trump's supporters, Cruz's supporters just can't stand him going off the reservation. 

It's funny as hell.
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Re: Ted Cruz won’t rule out legalization for illegal immigrants
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2015, 01:01:53 am »
I think Cruz' answer was perfectly reasonable and he was alert to hypothetical "rule out". Saying either "yes" or "no" to this question boxes you in on a hypothetical and is a breathless "breaking news" headline maker. That's why journalists that ask these are lazy, lousy reporters just looking for a gotcha and 5 minutes of TV time.

Absolutely!  :beer:
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Re: Ted Cruz won’t rule out legalization for illegal immigrants
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2015, 02:33:27 am »
Not only was Cruz's response reasonable, he refused to be trapped into a "yes or no gottcha" question.  I trust Ted Cruz.  I don't trust the MSM -- if only they would ask the "gottcha" questions to the criminal and the socialist. 

I'm still trying to figure out what part of “We can have that conversation with the American people once we secure the border,” have everybody's knickers in a twist.  Cruz is also absolutely correct in stating that deporting criminal illegal aliens, the number of people here will drop significantly; keep in mind those people aren't just limited to those sitting in our prison system getting a complimentary 3 squares a day and a cot.  Perhaps I am reading a little further into his message - all illegals here are criminals -- those that have crossed the border illegally have committed a crime!

I am sure that once President Cruz has taken his oath of office, secured our borders and started the deportation process, he will consider suggestions as to how to further deal with our immigration problem from LEGAL American citizens. 

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Re: Ted Cruz won’t rule out legalization for illegal immigrants
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2015, 02:41:07 am »
Ted Cruz is not going to be elected president in 2016.  He won't win the primary.
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Re: Ted Cruz won’t rule out legalization for illegal immigrants
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2015, 02:48:55 am »
Ted Cruz is not going to be elected president in 2016.  He won't win the primary.

Thank you "Carnac the Magnificent"!   :silly:


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Re: Ted Cruz won’t rule out legalization for illegal immigrants
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2015, 02:49:38 am »
I, for one, think we're going to have to legalize some of these people so that makes me more favorable toward Cruz.

Agreed.

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Re: Ted Cruz won’t rule out legalization for illegal immigrants
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2015, 05:06:02 pm »
Thank you "Carnac the Magnificent"!   :silly:   

Now that's funny and I don't care who you are.   :laugh:

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Re: Ted Cruz won’t rule out legalization for illegal immigrants
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2015, 06:26:21 pm »
All kidding aside, I would say that right now Cruz has an excellent chance of winning the nomination and the White House.  Yes, I can very much imagine a Cruz presidency.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/how-ted-cruz-could-win-the-gop-nomination
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Re: Ted Cruz won’t rule out legalization for illegal immigrants
« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2015, 07:03:26 pm »
Ted Cruz is not going to be elected president in 2016.  He won't win the primary.

You literally are becoming desperate, and frankly a jerk. You attack Trump, Carson, Cruz, Fiorina and even Rubio if I recall - anyone that's not Jeb Bush or some GOPe acceptable candidate, just because they are an outsider and not an acceptable GOPe candidate.

I will also assume by your logic, since Jeb Bush is polling 1/3 that of Cruz that he isn't going to get the nomination either.
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Re: Ted Cruz won’t rule out legalization for illegal immigrants
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2015, 07:10:56 pm »
You literally are becoming desperate, and frankly a jerk. You attack Trump, Carson, Cruz, Fiorina and even Rubio if I recall - anyone that's not Jeb Bush or some GOPe acceptable candidate, just because they are an outsider and not an acceptable GOPe candidate.

I will also assume by your logic, since Jeb Bush is polling 1/3 that of Cruz that he isn't going to get the nomination either.

Yes. Rubio is my preferred candidate but he's holding out in voting for a Senate Obamacare repeal bill. Just as Cruz is. They shouldn't do that.

I don't want Jeb Bush to get the nomination. I never pay any attention to him because he's not and he knows he's not.  And I'm glad of that.

You're a jerk in your own right, too, pal, for throwing a gratutious ad hominem into a post.  I have never attacked you. 

If you have a problem that your favored candidate gets raked over the coals, then maybe you should try some petite little website where your feelings won't get hurt.
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Re: Ted Cruz won’t rule out legalization for illegal immigrants
« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2015, 07:34:36 pm »
Well aren't you just being a smug little punk? It's not an ad hominem when your behavior meets the definition.

You're 'working the board' just like the jerks used to 'work the board' over at FR to push up their favorite candidate by tearing all others down with gratuitous attacks. This one is particularly stupid as Rubio right now is tied with Cruz, so they both have EXACTLY EQUAL chances of winning.

And no, my feelings aren't hurt, I'm more wondering why your mama didn't beat your arse and smack your mouth more as a child. I get it, you don't like Trump. He has that kind of personality such that I can let gratuitous attacks at him slide, as he grates on certain people. But going after the others is doing exactly why we all got the hell away from FR.

Rubio for example isn't my pick, but he's tolerable to good on most issues. I'm not going to attack him just because I support Cruz. If you want to play that game go back to FR. If not, then you will find when I hit your teeth with a verbal log that hurt feelings aren't what I have.

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Re: Ted Cruz won’t rule out legalization for illegal immigrants
« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2015, 07:41:01 pm »
Well aren't you just being a smug little punk? It's not an ad hominem when your behavior meets the definition.

You're 'working the board' just like the jerks used to 'work the board' over at FR to push up their favorite candidate by tearing all others down with gratuitous attacks. This one is particularly stupid as Rubio right now is tied with Cruz, so they both have EXACTLY EQUAL chances of winning.

And no, my feelings aren't hurt, I'm more wondering why your mama didn't beat your arse and smack your mouth more as a child. I get it, you don't like Trump. He has that kind of personality such that I can let gratuitous attacks at him slide, as he grates on certain people. But going after the others is doing exactly why we all got the hell away from FR.

Rubio for example isn't my pick, but he's tolerable to good on most issues. I'm not going to attack him just because I support Cruz. If you want to play that game go back to FR. If not, then you will find when I hit your teeth with a verbal log that hurt feelings aren't what I have.

Hit me as hard as you like.  Expect the same or more in return.

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