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House defies Obama, approves bill halting Syrian refugees
« on: November 19, 2015, 07:20:37 pm »
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/260782-house-defies-obama-approves-bill-halting-syrian-refugees

 By Cristina Marcos - 11/19/15 01:57 PM EST

In a 289-137 vote, the House on Thursday easily approved legislation that requires new screening requirements on refugees from Syria and Iraq before they can enter the United States.

Forty-seven Democrats defied President Obama’s veto threat and backed the bill — just short of enough to override a presidential veto if all members are present. Two Republicans voted agains the measure.

GOP aides noted that because of absences, the vote would have met the two-thirds requirement to override a presidential veto if that vote had been held Thursday. Still, there's no guarantee that Democrats would vote to override the president if the bill comes back to the floor.

The legislation will now go to the Senate, where it may face a tougher path to passage.

Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid (Nev.) vowed to block the House bill if it is considered by the upper chamber after the Thanksgiving recess.

“The problem is not with refugees,” Reid said. “I don’t think we’ll be dealing with it over here.”

When asked about the prospect of Obama vetoing the legislation, Reid said, “don’t worry, it won’t get passed. Next question?”

Democrats in the upper chamber have been divided over the issue, and both parties have their eyes on winning a Senate majority in next year’s elections.

The House vote comes less than a week after at least 129 people were killed in the Paris terrorist attacks.

The Islamic State in Iraq and Syria has claimed responsibility for the carnage, and is also a big factor in the wave of refugees from Iraq and Syria flowing into Europe.

Fears that terrorists could enter the United States through the refugee program sparked work on the House bill, which moved quickly through the chamber. Obama has planned to allow 10,000 Syrian refugees to enter the United States.

Reports that one of the Paris attackers entered Europe by posing as a Syrian refugee has further fanned the flames.

The legislation would prevent any refugees from Syria or Iraq from entering the United States until the FBI, Department of Homeland Security and Director of National Intelligence certify that none of them are dangerous.

“If our law enforcement and our intelligence community cannot verify that each and every person is not a security threat, then they shouldn't be allowed in,” said Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.).

“We cannot and we should not wait to act. Not when our national security is at stake,” he said.

Obama has engaged in an at times personal war of words with Republicans over the legislation even as he continues a foreign trip.

He argued that keeping out Syrian refugees fleeing terrorism and war in their country was an affront to American values.

In a statement outlining its veto threat, the Obama administration argued the bill would “provide no meaningful additional security for the American people” and impose new certification requirements that effectively end the refugee program.

“The United States has always been and should always be a place of refuge,” said Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.). “We might as well take down the Statue of Liberty.”

Yet top administration officials just hours before the vote struggled to convince undecided House Democrats to oppose the bill.

The Obama administration has said the vetting process typically already takes more than a year for each refugee. But FBI Director James Comey acknowledged in a hearing last month that certain “gaps” remain in the administration’s ability to fully vet each refugee applicant.

If the bill is blocked in the Senate, House Republicans are already looking toward a catchall government spending bill, known as an omnibus, as their best leverage to force the Obama administration’s hand.

Rep. Matt Salmon (R-Ariz.), a member of the conservative Freedom Caucus, said he would vote against a spending bill that doesn’t contain provisions halting the refugee program.

“I think that we have to exert maximum leverage,” Salmon told The Hill.

Those threats raise the possibility of a showdown over the issue that could lead to a government shutdown. Congress must pass legislation by Dec. 11 to keep the government open.
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Re: House defies Obama, approves bill halting Syrian refugees
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2015, 07:22:01 pm »
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/260778-senate-dems-vow-to-block-refugee-bill
Senate Dems vow to block refugee bill

 By Alexander Bolton - 11/19/15 01:01 PM EST

Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid (Nev.) says a House bill suspending the resettlement of Syrian refugees, slated for action Thursday, will not make it to President Obama’s desk.
 
Reid said at a press conference that Democrats will block the legislation that requires the secretary of Homeland Security to affirm to Congress that every refugee being admitted is not a security threat.
 
Senate Democrats are pushing alternative legislation, to be unveiled after Thanksgiving, that would tighten up security gaps in the visa waiver program.
 
“The problem is not with refugees,” Reid said. “I don’t think we’ll be dealing with it over here.”
 
When asked about the prospect of Obama vetoing the legislation, Reid said, “Don’t worry, it won’t get passed. Next question?”
 
House Republican leaders expect the bill to receive yes votes from as many as 50 Democrats in the lower chamber.
 
They warned Democrats will pay the price politically next year if they block it.
 
“We’ll crucify them,” said a senior House GOP aide.
 
Senate Democratic leaders argue people who travel to the United States under a program that allows them to stay in the country for up to 90 days without a visa poses a bigger problem.
 
Sen. Charles Schumer (N.Y.), the third-ranking member of the Democratic leadership, earlier in the week said a pause of the refugee resettlement program may be necessary.
 
On Thursday he took that option off the table.
 
“The appropriate place to focus is the visa waiver program and the ability of terrorists to buy guns,” he said.
 
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) is the lead sponsor of legislation to tighten up the visa waiver program as well as another bill to prevent people on the terrorist watch list from buying firearms.
 
Senate Republican leaders earlier in the week declined to comment on barring people on the watch list from purchasing guns. 
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Re: House defies Obama, approves bill halting Syrian refugees
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2015, 10:24:56 pm »
All this talk about background checks, has everyone forgotten 9/11?

One of the 9/11 19 hijackers came to the U.S. on a student visa.

The rest arrived here on tourist or business visas.

Do they do background checks on visa's? :shrug:
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Re: House defies Obama, approves bill halting Syrian refugees
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2015, 11:56:03 pm »
All this talk about background checks, has everyone forgotten 9/11?

One of the 9/11 19 hijackers came to the U.S. on a student visa.

The rest arrived here on tourist or business visas.

Do they do background checks on visa's? :shrug:

We need to now just say no.

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Re: House defies Obama, approves bill halting Syrian refugees
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2015, 12:25:56 am »
We need to now just say no.

Exactly!

btw: I live in Chesterfield, Va.
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Re: House defies Obama, approves bill halting Syrian refugees
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2015, 12:26:37 am »
Background checks you say?:

"FBI Director James Comey famously admitted last month that the U.S. government has no real way to conduct background checks on refugees. “We can only query against that which we have collected. And so if someone has never made a ripple in the pond in Syria in a way that would get their identity or their interest reflected in our database, we can query our database until the cows come home, but there will be nothing show up because we have no record of them,” Comey explained, quite sensibly."

"The director of Homeland Security had no answer when asked if the “vetting” process amounted to anything more than asking refugees to fill out an application, asking them a few questions in a verbal interview, and assuming they answer honestly. The best Director Jeh Johnson could offer were vague assurances that the “tight-knit, supportive communities” they settle into would “embrace” these refugees."

"Even Attorney General Loretta Lynch admitted there were “challenges” to vetting the refugees… without saying what those challenges were.  Like almost everyone else in the Administration, she offered vague assurances that the American government has a “significant and robust screening process in place,” supposedly much better than anything Europe has been able to set up… but she could offer not a single concrete detail of what that superb screening process entails."

"But one of the senior administration officials at Tuesday’s briefing acknowledged the limitations inherent in screening refugees from Syria, where it’s very difficult to determine something as basic as an applicant’s criminal history.

“We do the best with what we have,” the official said. “We talk to people about what their criminal histories are, and we hear about that. That’s pretty much where we are.”

"A leading security contractor accused of defrauding the U.S. government has received a $190 million contract from U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) to provide administrative support.

US Investigations Services LLC (USIS) got into trouble three years ago when a whistleblower claimed the company was defrauding the government while performing background checks. It was later sued by the Department of Justice for “cutting corners while conducting investigations of people seeking clearance for sensitive government jobs,” according to Dion Nissenbaum of The Wall Street Journal.

The firm also was embarrassed in two high-profile incidents last year when it was reported that USIS had performed the background checks for National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden and Washington Navy Yard shooter Aaron Alexis.

Despite these troubles, USCIS officials awarded a contract to the company, which put in the lowest bid for the work. Officials said under federal procurement rules, only businesses that have been suspended or barred from contract work can be disqualified from receiving new deals. Since USIS’s problems did not rise beyond the level of allegations, it was still allowed to bid for new opportunities."

Well, gosh, the Incipient Dhimmi crowd on here can tell me I am a xenophobe, a racist, a bigot, a whatever, but forgive me, I am just not fully persuaded by all the "thorough vetting" claims being made by Obama & Co.



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Re: House defies Obama, approves bill halting Syrian refugees
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2015, 01:41:42 am »

I'm so confused. My world doesn't make sense anymore.

I always believed bureaucratic government was efficient, infallible?

And, I believe infiltrated terrorists will slip up during INS interviews, too!