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The Trump Way on Immigration Suits Republicans, Poll Shows
« on: November 12, 2015, 04:55:00 pm »
http://www3.atr.rollcall.com/immigration-reform-donald-trump-gop-voters/

The Trump Way on Immigration Suits Republicans, Poll Shows
By Lindsey McPherson
Posted at 12:08 p.m. on Nov. 11



Republicans need to make gains with Hispanic voters in 2016, but that reality is complicated by the fact that more adults support Donald Trump’s hard-line stance on immigration, a new Economist Group/YouGov Poll finds.

A whopping 49 percent of Republicans and independents who lean to the GOP say Trump is the presidential candidate who can best handle the issue — well ahead of Marco Rubio with 10 percent GOP support, Ted Cruz with 7 percent and Jeb Bush at 5 percent.

The divide in the GOP over how to address issues stemming from illegal immigration spilled over in the fourth Republican presidential debate Tuesday. The opt-in, Internet survey was taken Nov. 5-9, before the economy-focused debate in Milwaukee.

Trump traded barbs with Ohio Gov. John Kasich, who called the front-runner’s idea to deport the estimated 11 million immigrants who arrived in the U.S. illegally “a silly argument” that “makes no sense.” Bush also attacked Trump, saying mass deportation would tear communities apart.

“Even having this conversation sends a powerful signal,” Bush said during the debate in Milwaukee. “They’re doing high-fives in the Clinton campaign now when they hear this.”

Trump’s plan to end so-called birthright citizenship and send all unauthorized immigrants back to their home countries helped propel him to the top of polls this summer.  Rubio and Bush both support a path to legal status for undocumented immigrants who undergo a background check, learn English and pay fees or taxes.



In another sign of GOP support for Trump’s strict immigration policies, more poll respondents reacted favorably to a comment by the real-estate mogul.

Sixty-five percent of Republicans and the independents who lean that way agreed with this statement: “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists.” Trump said that in June, but poll respondents weren’t told who said it.

By contrast, 77 percent of Republicans disagree with this comment: “Yes, illegal immigrants broke the law, but it’s not a felony. It’s an act of love; it’s an act of commitment to your family.” Poll respondents weren’t told that Bush said the comment in April.

A wide-range of Republicans, including 2008 presidential nominee John McCain, have said the party could be in danger of losing the 2016 White House race if the GOP doesn’t make gains with Hispanic voters.



Less than a third of Americans, or 31 percent, believe the GOP’s position on immigration would hurt the party compared to 17 percent of the Republicans in the survey.

The divide among GOP presidential candidates on immigration come as both Speaker Paul D. Ryan and Majority Leader Mitch McConnell have declared a legislative overhaul dead while President Barack Obama is in office.

The poll results also come as the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit on Monday blocked the Obama administration from implementing executive actions that would expand deportation deferrals and work benefits for millions of immigrants who entered the country illegally. The government lawyers said they would appeal the ruling to the Supreme Court, which is seen as the best path for Obama’s executive orders.

The overall sample of the Economist Group/YouGov poll was 2,000 adults and has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points. Data reflect responses from 633 – 635 Republicans and independents who lean Republican. CQ Roll Call is part of The Economist Group.

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Re: The Trump Way on Immigration Suits Republicans, Poll Shows
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2015, 05:02:02 pm »
What's interesting is that Cruz and Trump don't diverge all that much on immigration, but Trump has his name attached - at least per this poll - better than Cruz does. That may be his celebrity effect in play.
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Re: The Trump Way on Immigration Suits Republicans, Poll Shows
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2015, 05:15:29 pm »
What's interesting is that Cruz and Trump don't diverge all that much on immigration, but Trump has his name attached - at least per this poll - better than Cruz does. That may be his celebrity effect in play.

Without a doubt.  Trump has name recognition and he has been in the MSM (whether good or bad) just about every day since he announced he was running.
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Re: The Trump Way on Immigration Suits Republicans, Poll Shows
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2015, 06:12:44 pm »
Without a doubt.  Trump has name recognition and he has been in the MSM (whether good or bad) just about every day since he announced he was running.

Trump leading in the polls for 130 days now. The only other GOP candidates to have done that have gone on to win the nomination (Dole, McCain). So at this point, it seems the nomination is Trump's. The only way to change that is if someone rises and knocks him out of the lead. Which of Trump's competitors has that potential? I just don't see it.

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Re: The Trump Way on Immigration Suits Republicans, Poll Shows
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2015, 06:38:22 pm »
Gallup has 25% Republican self-identification, down from 39% in 2004 when G.W. Bush won reelection.

Note 2004 was the ONLY time out of the last 6 Presidential elections when Republicans won the national, popular vote.

This figure stood at 30% when Obama won re-election in 2012, and it stood at 28% when he won election first in 2008.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx

So in other words, there is LESS self-identification than the two times that Obama won election.

So what is different now?

I hear Republicans like Cruz claim that Dole, McCain and Romney prove that only a "true conservative" can win, which relies solely on Reagan, and which ignores post WWII Presidential wins by moderates Eisenhower, Nixon, Bush I and Bush II.

People who fawn over Cruz' lofty rhetoric fail to fact and logic check him, because they suffer from contemporary conservatism's math and logic challenges themselves.  They merely parrot back what they heard somewhere, without thinking and checking.

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Re: The Trump Way on Immigration Suits Republicans, Poll Shows
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2015, 07:01:35 pm »
Gallup has 25% Republican self-identification, down from 39% in 2004 when G.W. Bush won reelection.

Note 2004 was the ONLY time out of the last 6 Presidential elections when Republicans won the national, popular vote.

This figure stood at 30% when Obama won re-election in 2012, and it stood at 28% when he won election first in 2008.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx

So in other words, there is LESS self-identification than the two times that Obama won election.

So what is different now?

I hear Republicans like Cruz claim that Dole, McCain and Romney prove that only a "true conservative" can win, which relies solely on Reagan, and which ignores post WWII Presidential wins by moderates Eisenhower, Nixon, Bush I and Bush II.

People who fawn over Cruz' lofty rhetoric fail to fact and logic check him, because they suffer from contemporary conservatism's math and logic challenges themselves.  They merely parrot back what they heard somewhere, without thinking and checking.

Since Ike, the GOP has only run two Conservatives, Goldwater and Reagan.  Conservatives won two of three elections.    Of the Moderates, the GOP is roughly even.  What is needed to win is to reach the middle class voters.  Lately, the GOP has favored the country club set with  amnesty and large tax breaks and Obamatrade.  These issues are not popular with the middle class.  I can't see how the GOP can win in today's political environment espousing those goals.     

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Re: The Trump Way on Immigration Suits Republicans, Poll Shows
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2015, 10:12:04 pm »
MBB1984 wrote:
"Lately, the GOP has favored the country club set with  amnesty and large tax breaks and Obamatrade.  These issues are not popular with the middle class.  I can't see how the GOP can win in today's political environment espousing those goals."

Your points are very well-taken.

But.... they beg the question:
If the GOP can't win with those goals, with which "goals" CAN they win?

Seems like Donald Trump is leading the way in answering that.
Hence, the survey results as depicted in the graphs above.

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Re: The Trump Way on Immigration Suits Republicans, Poll Shows
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2015, 11:07:50 pm »
The opt-in, Internet survey was taken Nov. 5-9,

An opt-in survey is worthless.  Self-selecting respondents (all identifying as Republican or Republican-leaning independents) who see immigration as a major issue would naturally take part in this survey; others wouldn't.
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