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« Reply #50 on: October 18, 2015, 10:08:05 pm »
Perhaps your perspective on the matter is different since you like Trump.  If you honestly think he'd be a terrible President and is a Democrat, as I do, then you see things differently when the words "the haters" are posted......

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« Reply #51 on: October 18, 2015, 10:15:11 pm »
Perhaps your perspective on the matter is different since you like Trump.  If you honestly think he'd be a terrible President and is a Democrat, as I do, then you see things differently when the words "the haters" are posted......

I understand your perspective.  I like a lot of candidates other than Trump.  Cruz is my first pick - but I appreciate what Trump has brought to the campaign - even though he says some pretty stupid stuff sometimes, in my opinion, he has changed this election in many positive ways.  In the end, the voters will decide who will represent them in 2016.  I've had to hold my vomit several times when voting for president in recent history - and whoever becomes the nominee will cause the same reaction for many people.....but in the end, anyone on our side is better than anyone on theirs.  That is my opinion.

I guess when you see "the haters" you feel like I do when I see people refer to anyone that doesn't hate Trump as a "Trump worshiper". 

I hope someone will correct me if I'm wrong - but I don't see any worship of Trump here.  I see people defending him, while they readily admit to disagreeing with some of the things he says.  That is hardly "worship".  Most of the people here that do defend Trump in any way say that there are other candidates they really like, but they appreciate that Trump has brought things to the table that the mainstream GOP would not dare to talk about.

There are things about Trump I like and things I don't like - like most of the other candidates.  That doesn't mean that I worship him and I don't know of anyone else here that does either. 

Maybe both groups should think about the words they use and try not to shoot for hyperbole.

 
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« Reply #52 on: October 18, 2015, 10:29:26 pm »
I understand your perspective.  I like a lot of candidates other than Trump.  Cruz is my first pick - but I appreciate what Trump has brought to the campaign - even though he says some pretty stupid stuff sometimes, in my opinion, he has changed this election in many positive ways.  In the end, the voters will decide who will represent them in 2016.  I've had to hold my vomit several times when voting for president in recent history - and whoever becomes the nominee will cause the same reaction for many people.....but in the end, anyone on our side is better than anyone on theirs.  That is my opinion.

I guess when you see "the haters" you feel like I do when I see people refer to anyone that doesn't hate Trump as a "Trump worshiper". 

I hope someone will correct me if I'm wrong - but I don't see any worship of Trump here.  I see people defending him, while they readily admit to disagreeing with some of the things he says.  That is hardly "worship".  Most of the people here that do defend Trump in any way say that there are other candidates they really like, but they appreciate that Trump has brought things to the table that the mainstream GOP would not dare to talk about.

There are things about Trump I like and things I don't like - like most of the other candidates.  That doesn't mean that I worship him and I don't know of anyone else here that does either. 

Maybe both groups should think about the words they use and try not to shoot for hyperbole.

 

Let me put it this way....... I have seen some people on this forum react in what I would call an extreme fashion to criticisms of Trump.  I go back to what I said about that young woman in my family who said, "Don't say anything bad about Obama."  She didn't want to hear any criticism, legitimate or not, because she wanted to vote for him without knowing the truth about him.

I have sensed some of the same response here.  It doesn't matter if he's a liberal.  It doesn't matter if he supports eminent domain.  It doesn't matter if he is rude and nasty to women or anyone else.  He's a 'street fighter' and that makes all his flaws irrelevant, I guess.

Trump is next to the bottom on my list.  Lindsay Graham is at the bottom.  But I don't want another egotistical, narcissistic adolescent, thin-skinned bully in the Oval Office, and that is exactly what I see in Trump.  Now, my using those adjectives to describe Trump will have some people calling me a 'hater' but I believe every one of them describes his personality flaws, which for me, overwhelm any positives he may have.

OF COURSE I would vote for him rather than Hillary, but I am praying that I never have to make that choice.

America, with all its flaws, deserves far better than Donald Trump.
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« Reply #53 on: October 18, 2015, 10:41:33 pm »
Let me put it this way....... I have seen some people on this forum react in what I would call an extreme fashion to criticisms of Trump.  I go back to what I said about that young woman in my family who said, "Don't say anything bad about Obama."  She didn't want to hear any criticism, legitimate or not, because she wanted to vote for him without knowing the truth about him.

I have sensed some of the same response here.  It doesn't matter if he's a liberal.  It doesn't matter if he supports eminent domain.  It doesn't matter if he is rude and nasty to women or anyone else.  He's a 'street fighter' and that makes all his flaws irrelevant, I guess.

Trump is next to the bottom on my list.  Lindsay Graham is at the bottom.  But I don't want another egotistical, narcissistic adolescent, thin-skinned bully in the Oval Office, and that is exactly what I see in Trump.  Now, my using those adjectives to describe Trump will have some people calling me a 'hater' but I believe every one of them describes his personality flaws, which for me, overwhelm any positives he may have.

OF COURSE I would vote for him rather than Hillary, but I am praying that I never have to make that choice.

America, with all its flaws, deserves far better than Donald Trump.

You, along with many others, have certainly made your feelings about Trump pretty clear.  Respect your opinion.  I'll be curious to see who calls you a "hater" now. 

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« Reply #54 on: October 18, 2015, 10:49:42 pm »
Trump is trying to SLANDER Bush.  I'm putting you on ignore since you seem to think Trump has a point in blaming Bush for 9/11. 

Is there anything this Democrat-in-disguise can say that you disagree with?  I can't believe some of you are that dumb!

oooohhhh...putting me on ignore  Oh dear!  I have all along stated that I am not a Trump supporter, but I am definitely not a Bush supporter either.  I never said I "blamed" Bush for 9-11, I simply made the comment that 9-11 happened on his watch.  There is no disputing that.  This country was attacked; therefore we weren't safe. We still aren't safe and those in Congress and our current "Liar in Chief" stand idly by and do nothing!  I'm not disputing the "should have's" or "could haves" with Bush.   I am tired of the OBREP' and I am tired (as are many) of having to elect one of the "dynasties".  We certainly don't need another Bush and we sure as hell don't need another Clinton.  BOTH will be a disaster.  This country cannot afford to continue on our current path of destruction.  I am entitled to my opinion.  I don't think Trump is the best that the GOP has to offer, but I'll pull the lever for him over Bush any day. 

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« Reply #55 on: October 18, 2015, 10:52:19 pm »
You, along with many others, have certainly made your feelings about Trump pretty clear.  Respect your opinion.  I'll be curious to see who calls you a "hater" now.

I'll be watching.....  that said, it's the 1st word that comes to mind when responding to "those people" that never have a positive thing to say about him.

What word would they prefer?   :shrug:  disliker?  unliker?  nonliker?

Nonsense.

When you read a dozen negative posts in here from those not enamored with Mr. Trump, "hater" is a good collective description of the 'club'.

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« Reply #56 on: October 18, 2015, 10:56:02 pm »
I'll be watching.....  that said, it's the 1st word that comes to mind when responding to "those people" that never have a positive thing to say about him.

What word would they prefer?   :shrug:  disliker?  unliker?  nonliker?

Nonsense.

When you read a dozen negative posts in here from those not enamored with Mr. Trump, "hater" is a good collective description of the 'club'.

I have actually seen some people here say that they "hate" Trump.

I "hate" Obama - proud to be an Obama hater  - it's not a slur to me, but a compliment!

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Re: Trump triples down on George W. Bush’s responsibility for 9/11
« Reply #57 on: October 18, 2015, 11:06:29 pm »
Let me put it this way....... I have seen some people on this forum react in what I would call an extreme fashion to criticisms of Trump.  I go back to what I said about that young woman in my family who said, "Don't say anything bad about Obama."  She didn't want to hear any criticism, legitimate or not, because she wanted to vote for him without knowing the truth about him.

I have sensed some of the same response here.  It doesn't matter if he's a liberal.  It doesn't matter if he supports eminent domain.  It doesn't matter if he is rude and nasty to women or anyone else.  He's a 'street fighter' and that makes all his flaws irrelevant, I guess.

Trump is next to the bottom on my list.  Lindsay Graham is at the bottom.  But I don't want another egotistical, narcissistic adolescent, thin-skinned bully in the Oval Office, and that is exactly what I see in Trump.  Now, my using those adjectives to describe Trump will have some people calling me a 'hater' but I believe every one of them describes his personality flaws, which for me, overwhelm any positives he may have.

OF COURSE I would vote for him rather than Hillary, but I am praying that I never have to make that choice.

America, with all its flaws, deserves far better than Donald Trump.

Yes. Agreed.  Trump is egotistical; not so sure yet about narcissistic.  I do see Trump with a lot of backbone and he doesn't back down.  I see in him his ability to act upon what he says.  Do I think he's the best that the GOP has going for them?  No. We have a whole lot of great candidates, who IMHO without Trump taking the head from the media; most of them would have been destroyed by now.  He saw this "huge" discontent from the voting base with the establishment and he seized the moment.  I do see in him a lot of patriotism.  However,  the troubling issue(s) I have was him not willing from the beginning to support other GOP candidates and not to run 3rd party.  His comments on eminent domain very much concern me.  Yes he is a businessman and I do believe he would make some great strides in turning our economy around.  I am just skeptical that Trump will act in the best interest of the country as a whole and adhere to the Constitution and not sidestep Congress and do what Trump wants to do. He has attacked most of his opponents, while it would seem he should be spending more time going after the socialist and the criminal.  IMHO he will be better than Bush, Graham, Christie or Carson.
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« Reply #58 on: October 18, 2015, 11:23:22 pm »
I'll be watching.....  that said, it's the 1st word that comes to mind when responding to "those people" that never have a positive thing to say about him.

What word would they prefer?   :shrug:  disliker?  unliker?  nonliker?

Nonsense.

When you read a dozen negative posts in here from those not enamored with Mr. Trump, "hater" is a good collective description of the 'club'.

It is a grievous insult to either call me a 'hater' or to accuse me of being in any form of 'club.'

But you have illustrated what I am talking about.

An otherwise very reasonable person is so personally attached to Trump that you don't seem to be able to handle dealing with those of us who find him unpresidential with multiple personality flaws that disqualify him from the highest office in the land.

I don't hate him now any more than I hated him before (not at all).  He just is, IMO, exactly what I said...

Completely unqualified in any way to be President.
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« Reply #59 on: October 18, 2015, 11:28:46 pm »
You, along with many others, have certainly made your feelings about Trump pretty clear.  Respect your opinion.  I'll be curious to see who calls you a "hater" now.

I have avoided Trump threads more than I have participated on them because I respect some of the people who seem to love him and I strongly disagree with some of those who really do hate him.

The problem has been that some of his supporters are already angry at his strongest critics and can't deal with the rest of us who have legitimate reason not to respect him.

btw, having no respect for the man is not hatred.  Hatred is a very strong word, and it is offensive to have it used wrongly against me.
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« Reply #61 on: October 18, 2015, 11:41:17 pm »
I'll be watching.....  that said, it's the 1st word that comes to mind when responding to "those people" that never have a positive thing to say about him.

What word would they prefer?   :shrug:  disliker?  unliker?  nonliker?

Nonsense.

When you read a dozen negative posts in here from those not enamored with Mr. Trump, "hater" is a good collective description of the 'club'.

I wear the "Trump hater" moniker with pride.  He's pulling a fast one on the suckers who support him.  He's never been a Republican and he's not one now, with his silly views on taxation, eminent domain, and the MIddle East.

I can state unequivocally that I will never vote for Trump, even if he's the nominee.  Can't vote for an unqualified bully for president.  I'll just skip over the presidential box on election day.
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« Reply #62 on: October 18, 2015, 11:50:50 pm »
I have avoided Trump threads more than I have participated on them because I respect some of the people who seem to love him and I strongly disagree with some of those who really do hate him.

The problem has been that some of his supporters are already angry at his strongest critics and can't deal with the rest of us who have legitimate reason not to respect him.

btw, having no respect for the man is not hatred.  Hatred is a very strong word, and it is offensive to have it used wrongly against me.

I don't think anyone has referred to you specifically as regards to this.  I have seen some here say they hate Donald Trump - for those people, I don't see why they should feel insulted to be called a hater - when it comes to Trump.  I understand that a lot of people don't hate anyone, as they feel it is un-Christian.  But I say loud and proud that I hate Barack Obama - call me an Obama hater and I will enthusiastically agree!

I don't think anyone is attacking you personally musiclady and I'm sorry if you think I have.  I have the utmost respect for you and think you are a good person that is pretty darned smart too. 

(By the way, I don't "love" Donald Trump but I do like a lot of things he is doing - he is stirring things up and that is something that is needed right now.)


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« Reply #63 on: October 18, 2015, 11:54:06 pm »
I have avoided Trump threads more than I have participated on them because I respect some of the people who seem to love him and I strongly disagree with some of those who really do hate him.

The problem has been that some of his supporters are already angry at his strongest critics and can't deal with the rest of us who have legitimate reason not to respect him.

btw, having no respect for the man is not hatred.  Hatred is a very strong word, and it is offensive to have it used wrongly against me.


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« Reply #64 on: October 18, 2015, 11:55:12 pm »
I wear the "Trump hater" moniker with pride.  He's pulling a fast one on the suckers who support him.  He's never been a Republican and he's not one now, with his silly views on taxation, eminent domain, and the MIddle East.

I can state unequivocally that I will never vote for Trump, even if he's the nominee.  Can't vote for an unqualified bully for president.  I'll just skip over the presidential box on election day.

You have the right to your opinion Sink. 

Just my opinion though, if you skip voting for president it's just one less vote that the Democrat has to overcome, so it makes it easier for them to win. 

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« Reply #65 on: October 18, 2015, 11:59:39 pm »
You have the right to your opinion Sink. 

Just my opinion though, if you skip voting for president it's just one less vote that the Democrat has to overcome, so it makes it easier for them to win.

If Trump is our nominee, my little ole vote will be lost in the massive tsunami that will drown the GOP's hopes for the presidency.  It will be worse than Goldwater.
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« Reply #66 on: October 19, 2015, 12:19:11 am »
I don't want to vote for Jeb Bush either...Lord I don't want to because it just means four more years of limp-wristed politically-correct Republicans cowering when a Democrat speaks and rolling over when a Democrat wants something...a continuation of the last 10 years. But if the Republicans are insane enough...or corrupt enough...to nominate another Bush or even another different insider, I'll vote for them.  Again.
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« Reply #67 on: October 19, 2015, 12:25:36 am »
It is a grievous insult to either call me a 'hater' or to accuse me of being in any form of 'club.'

But you have illustrated what I am talking about.

An otherwise very reasonable person is so personally attached to Trump that you don't seem to be able to handle dealing with those of us who find him unpresidential with multiple personality flaws that disqualify him from the highest office in the land.

I don't hate him now any more than I hated him before (not at all).  He just is, IMO, exactly what I said...

Completely unqualified in any way to be President.

LOL!   You're absolutely the LAST person I would put in that 'club'.

I was referring to those that never run out of denigrating adjectives with which to describe him...and at the same time insult and demean those of us that recognize his uniqueness in a positive light.

That's definitely not you, musiclady.    :laugh:
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« Reply #68 on: October 19, 2015, 12:28:34 am »
I don't want to vote for Jeb Bush either...Lord I don't want to because it just means four more years of limp-wristed politically-correct Republicans cowering when a Democrat speaks and rolling over when a Democrat wants something...a continuation of the last 10 years. But if the Republicans are insane enough...or corrupt enough...to nominate another Bush or even another different insider, I'll vote for them.  Again.


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« Reply #69 on: October 19, 2015, 12:30:53 am »
I don't want to vote for Jeb Bush either...Lord I don't want to because it just means four more years of limp-wristed politically-correct Republicans cowering when a Democrat speaks and rolling over when a Democrat wants something...a continuation of the last 10 years. But if the Republicans are insane enough...or corrupt enough...to nominate another Bush or even another different insider, I'll vote for them.  Again.

I'm glad we're on the same team in the point where it matters.

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« Reply #70 on: October 19, 2015, 12:33:42 am »

What makes you think that Jeb is going to win??

I don't think he is, necessarily, but I do think that he is the darling of the country-club establishment.  They want him over any candidate certainly.  It is just that of any in the top 6 right now, he would be my last choice.  But even my last choice - that I'd dread to see nominated - would get my one lousy vote if that's what happened.
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« Reply #71 on: October 19, 2015, 12:35:16 am »
I actually think this was a brilliant move on Trump's part.  He again forces Jeb Bush into a politically defensive posture, and in politics being on defense is rarely a good place to be.  He also tarnishes Jeb with his brother's legacy, so as Jeb defends his brother it positions Jeb as "just another Bush" even if most people agree the attack is somewhat unfair.

From Trump's point of view, Jeb is out there talking about how GWB "kept the country safe" so most people will think pointing out 9/11 happened on GWB's watch is "fair," even if they think GWB was not responsible for 9/11.  Also, if this primary is going to be about whether we as a party should continue to defend the Bush legacy to the greater electorate, I think Trump wins that argument hands down, and Trump may be the only candidate in the race with the cajones to attack the Bush legacy so unabashedly.  So bottom line: another brilliant move by Trump that keeps the media gocus on him and helps him in his quest for the nomination.

Every day that Trump is talked about to the exclusion of Carson, Cruz, Rubio et al is a day closer to the a Trump nomination, unless Trump says or does something so outrageous that he shoots his own candidacy down.  That last scenario seems more likely to me than someone else stepping up to beat him.

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« Reply #72 on: October 19, 2015, 12:41:05 am »
It is a grievous insult to either call me a 'hater' or to accuse me of being in any form of 'club.'

But you have illustrated what I am talking about.

An otherwise very reasonable person is so personally attached to Trump that you don't seem to be able to handle dealing with those of us who find him unpresidential with multiple personality flaws that disqualify him from the highest office in the land.

I don't hate him now any more than I hated him before (not at all).  He just is, IMO, exactly what I said...

Completely unqualified in any way to be President.

What you said!  Absolutely!
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« Reply #73 on: October 19, 2015, 12:51:11 am »
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Every day that Trump is talked about to the exclusion of Carson, Cruz, Rubio et al is a day closer to the a Trump nomination, unless Trump says or does something so outrageous that he shoots his own candidacy down.  That last scenario seems more likely to me than someone else stepping up to beat him.

And that is why I despair of the republicans and of the country.  I find it absurd that at this juncture the republicans cannot find someone who can explain, in plain English, and in positive terms, why republican virtues are the virtues of the country, and instead are front-running a loudmouth who truly is a RINO - someone who prefers single-payor healthcare (i.e., Obamacare) and crony capitalism (i.e., using eminent domain to seize private residences and hand them over to private real estate developers) - and whose contributions are largely negative:  anti-immigrant, anti-"the rich" (hard enough to believe, but he's running parallel to Clinton on taxing "the rich"), and nothing positive.

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« Reply #74 on: October 19, 2015, 12:56:56 am »
And that is why I despair of the republicans and of the country.  I find it absurd that at this juncture the republicans cannot find someone who can explain, in plain English, and in positive terms, why republican virtues are the virtues of the country, and instead are front-running a loudmouth who truly is a RINO - someone who prefers single-payor healthcare (i.e., Obamacare) and crony capitalism (i.e., using eminent domain to seize private residences and hand them over to private real estate developers) - and whose contributions are largely negative:  anti-immigrant, anti-"the rich" (hard enough to believe, but he's running parallel to Clinton on taxing "the rich"), and nothing positive.

It IS being done...on a daily basis.

It's just that the person speaking can't look or sound like Mr. Peepers.
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