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Consensus emerging in GOP on how to replace ObamaCare
« on: October 15, 2015, 12:45:46 pm »
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/256960-consensus-emerging-in-gop-on-how-to-replace-obamacare

 By Peter Sullivan - 10/15/15 06:00 AM EDT

After years of trying, Republicans are coalescing around the outlines of a plan to repeal and replace ObamaCare.

Jeb Bush unveiled an ObamaCare alternative on Tuesday that is similar to the proposals from Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), his presidential rival, and former 2016 hopeful Gov. Scott Walker. The Bush plan overlaps significantly with proposals from congressional Republicans.

The plans all center on a tax credit intended to help people afford health insurance, along with more limited protection for people with preexisting health conditions and a cap on federal payments to states for the low-income Medicaid program.

Bush's plan "seems to reflect an emerging consensus among Republicans about what the Affordable Care Act (ACA) should be replaced with,” said Larry Levitt, senior vice president at the Kaiser Family Foundation, which conducts nonpartisan health analysis.

“For folks who want to move in the direction of the patients, the options are pretty clear, I think,” said Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.), who has authored a plan that is similar to Bush’s, Rubio’s and Walker’s.

But despite the general agreement on the outlines of a plan, Republicans are a long way from getting an ObamaCare alternative enacted.

For a plan to have any chance, a Republican would have to win the White House in 2016. Even then, Democrats could block a proposal in the Senate, provided that Republicans don’t do away with the filibuster.

Furthermore, Republicans would face a political risk if they disrupted coverage for the millions of people enrolled under ObamaCare, and could be confronted with difficult tradeoffs, including how to pay for their plans, when drafting legislation.

Still, the move toward a consensus among the party’s presidential contenders could help Republicans fight back against Democrats, who have long argued that the GOP doesn’t have a plan to help the uninsured — partly because no legislative proposal has reached the floor.

Asked if he was disappointed that GOP leadership has not held a vote on his plan, which has been around for years, Price said an alternative would have to wait for a new president.

“Nobody holds out any hope for this president to wake up and realize that his healthcare plan is remarkably flawed,” he said. 

The emerging Republican proposals are designed to be simpler and less costly than ObamaCare. They would do away with the health law’s requirements that insurance plans offer fairly comprehensive benefits, which Republicans say are driving up premium costs.

Bush, for example, touted cheaper, less comprehensive plans that only cover “catastrophic” events.

On top of those plans, “whatever else people want insurance to cover, they’ll be able to buy that, and we won’t force people to buy coverage they don’t want, either,” Bush said.

The Republican proposals come with tradeoffs. The tax credits in Republican plans tend to be based on age, in contrast to ObamaCare’s tax credits, which are based on income and therefore give poorer people more assistance.

“The Bush plan would provide much more help to higher income people than the ACA, but much less help to lower-income people,” Levitt said.

Tom Miller, a healthcare expert at the conservative American Enterprise Institute, said that when drafting a plan, “you can be very generous to folks on the bottom level and do full-scale redistribution,” much like ObamaCare.

The alternative, he said, is “you can feed the middle class first, and I think you can expect to see Republicans feeding the middle class.”

The Republican approach would weaken some of the protections now in place for pre-existing conditions.

ObamaCare bans insurers from denying coverage for health reasons, and pairs that with a mandate for people to buy insurance intended so that people don’t wait until they are ill to purchase coverage.

Republican plans drop the mandate, which they denounce as infringing on individual liberty, while providing less protection for people with pre-existing conditions.

Bush’s plan, as well as a proposal from Rep. Fred Upton (R-Mich.), Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) and Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), includes protections only for people with “continuous” coverage. That means people with pre-existing conditions would only be protected if they remain insured.

Rubio and Price’s plans focus on high-risk pools, where people with pre-existing conditions could buy government-subsidized plans. Liberals tend to criticize high-risk pools as having high premiums that are out of reach for many.

Another major question for Republicans is how to pay for the tax credits and other costs in the plans. ObamaCare is funded by several new taxes that Republicans in Congress are fighting to repeal.

The GOP could find savings from capping Medicaid payments and by limiting how much of employer-sponsored health plans remain tax-free, but experts say without more details, it’s hard to know how well the plan would work.

“These are markers for where the candidates would like to go,” said Miller, of the American Enterprise Institute. “Every battle plan doesn’t survive the first shot being fired.”
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Re: Consensus emerging in GOP on how to replace ObamaCare
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2015, 01:15:00 pm »
Cruz proposed a bill in the Senate back in March (Health Care Choices Act) that would not only repeal Obamacare but lays out a detailed Health Care plan.

http://www.cruz.senate.gov/files/documents/Bills/20150302_Healthcare_Choice.pdf
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Re: Consensus emerging in GOP on how to replace ObamaCare
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2015, 01:44:11 pm »

Weren't always so, but health care is hopelessly mired. Bureaucracy puts exigent demands on clinical practice that constrain aspects of a practitioner's job. Lost is the art of caring for ill patients.

These proposed changes don't address the real problems created by a bureaucracy model of healthcare.

Health coverage should be for catastrophic events, the rest return it to doctor and patient. Because doctor /bureaucrat/ patient does not help what should be the true focus of health care - getting sick people well.

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Re: Consensus emerging in GOP on how to replace ObamaCare
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2015, 02:47:49 pm »
In about 6 months when Obamacare finally kicks in 2016 and the money missing out of the paycheck watch all hell break lose on the campaign trail.  Luv the DEMS saying more people need free healthcare. I though Obamacare fixed all of this ?? They are going to help the MIDDLE class and tax the RICH. Who has ran the show for the last 7 years and have a real unemployment rate about 24-25 % and 95 Million out of work? This was all suppose to be changed with the HOPEY Changey thing? :chairbang:
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Re: Consensus emerging in GOP on how to replace ObamaCare
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2015, 12:14:09 am »
In about 6 months when Obamacare finally kicks in 2016 and the money missing out of the paycheck watch all hell break lose on the campaign trail.  Luv the DEMS saying more people need free healthcare. I though Obamacare fixed all of this ?? They are going to help the MIDDLE class and tax the RICH. Who has ran the show for the last 7 years and have a real unemployment rate about 24-25 % and 95 Million out of work? This was all suppose to be changed with the HOPEY Changey thing? :chairbang:

Very true, but the REPS will still get blamed for all that ails this country and the liberal leftist mental midgets will still vote for the same idiots all over again.
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Re: Consensus emerging in GOP on how to replace ObamaCare
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2015, 01:01:21 am »
Tax credits?  Half the friggin' country doesn't pay income taxes, so they wouldn't get tax credits, unless these turn into actual cash returned.  In that case, the taxpayers are giving people free insurance, whereas OCare actually makes people pay a little toward their insurance.

And any attempt to put limits on pre-existing coverage is an absolute non-starter.  The only way to make that work is if it makes insurance cheaper, just as there would have to be a noticeable difference in a "catastrophic" plan from a full-boat plan.  And if you take away the mandate, and keep pre-existing coverage, you'd be a fool to buy insurance until  you needed it.

It's a nice talking point that the GOP will replace Obamacare but I don't think there's a chance in hell of it happening.
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Re: Consensus emerging in GOP on how to replace ObamaCare
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2015, 01:16:30 am »
Tax credits?  Half the friggin' country doesn't pay income taxes, so they wouldn't get tax credits, unless these turn into actual cash returned.  In that case, the taxpayers are giving people free insurance, whereas OCare actually makes people pay a little toward their insurance.

And any attempt to put limits on pre-existing coverage is an absolute non-starter.  The only way to make that work is if it makes insurance cheaper, just as there would have to be a noticeable difference in a "catastrophic" plan from a full-boat plan.  And if you take away the mandate, and keep pre-existing coverage, you'd be a fool to buy insurance until  you needed it.

It's a nice talking point that the GOP will replace Obamacare but I don't think there's a chance in hell of it happening.

Well-stated.  Plus, mandates that Obamacare puts forth are unconstitutional
despite the hoops John Roberts jumped through to uphold.  IMO

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Re: Consensus emerging in GOP on how to replace ObamaCare
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2015, 01:52:55 am »
Mandates are an idea put forth by the Heritage Foundation in the 90s.  There's no way to make any kind of "national" healthcare plan work unless the healthy are forced to subsidize the unhealthy.  Otherwise, if the healthy can sit out until they get sick (and young people can sit out a helluva long time), insurance companies have to charge outrageous premiums to older people. 

Older people vote.

So forget the idea of scratching mandates going anywhere. If they do, insurance will be unaffordable.
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