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Quarter Million Germans Protest Obama "Free Trade" Deal
« on: October 12, 2015, 02:17:12 pm »
When will Americans get off their butts and protest??  Why oh why do we continue to do nothing? We continue to have open border, illegal immigration, Obamacare, executive amnesty and now Obamatrade.

"The Biggest Protest This Country Has Seen In Years" - Quarter Million Germans Protest Obama "Free Trade" Deal

When it comes to official and media opinion on Obama's crowning trade "achievements", the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) and the Transatlantic Trade And Investment Partnership (TTIP), the party line is united. As previously noted, Barack Obama has assured the population that this treaty is going to be wonderful for everyone:

    In hailing the agreement, Obama said, “Congress and the American people will have months to read every word” before he signs the deal that he described as a win for all sides.

         “If we can get this agreement to my desk, then we can help our businesses sell more Made in America goods and services around the world, and we can help more American workers compete and win,” Obama said...

...Case in point Germany, where today hundreds of thousands of people marched in Berlin in protest against the planned "free trade" deal between Europe and the United States which they say is anti-democratic and will lower food safety, labor and environmental standards.

TTIP critics fear that it would lead to worse safeguards in Europe, bringing down standards for consumer safety, food and health or labor rights down to those in America. European nations have stricter regulations for things like genetically modified foods or workers benefits than the US does. There is also discontent with the secretive nature of the negotiations, which prompts skeptics to assume the worst about the document they would eventually produce.

The organizers - an alliance of environmental groups, charities and opposition parties - claimed that 250,000 people were taking part in the rally against free trade deals with both the United States and Canada, far more than they had anticipated....

"This is the biggest protest that this country has seen for many, many years," Christoph Bautz, director of citizens' movement Campact told protesters in a speech.

According to Reuters, "opposition to the so-called Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) has risen over the past year in Germany, with critics fearing the pact will hand too much power to big multinationals at the expense of consumers and workers."

Popular anger appears to be focused on the encroachment by corporations into every corner around the globe:

"What bothers me the most is that I don't want all our consumer laws to be softened," Oliver Zloty told Reuters TV. "And I don't want to have a dictatorship by any companies."

Other are mostly concerned about the secrecy covering the treaty and its negotiations: "Dieter Bartsch, deputy leader of the parliamentary group for the Left party, who was taking part in the rally said he was concerned about the lack of transparency surrounding the talks. "We definitely need to know what is supposed to be being decided," he said."

As Deutsche Welle adds, the EU and US aim to conclude the negotiations, which began in 2013, by sometime next year. The next round of negotiations is set to begin later this year. Once completed, TTIP would create the world's largest free-trade zone, home to some 800 million consumers.

Campaigners are particularly concerned about a provision in the deal that would allow companies to sue governments in special tribunals. Such an arrangement, they fear, would lead to an erosion of labor and environmental protections . TTIP's supporters dismiss such thinking and argue that the deal would boost the EU's economy by removing tariffs and creating common standards.

Gerhard Handke, who heads the Federation of German Wholesale, Foreign Trade and Services, told DW that TTIP would even help uphold such standards. Europe, he explained, would soon be overshadowed by other economic players, such as India and China. "Now is the time to set standards, rather than have other countries dictate them later on," he said. "Otherwise, one day, we'll have Asia setting those standards, without anyone asking us what we think."

Those gathered in Berlin, though, take a very different view. "We have heard these promises before, these promises of jobs and prosperity and growth," Larry Brown, a trade unionist from Canada - which is negotiating a similar trade deal with the EU - shouted into a microphone on Saturday as demonstrators clapped and cheered and several police looked on. "They are lies. They have to be stopped.”...

...Oddly, few in the US aside from the fringe media, share any of these concerns.

In Germany however, the marchers banged drums, blew whistles and held up posters reading "Yes we can - Stop TTIP."

As Reuters adds, the level of resistance "has taken Chancellor Angela Merkel's government by surprise and underscores the challenge it faces to turn the tide in favor of the deal which proponents say will create a market of 800 million and serve as a counterweight to China's economic clout."

And just like in the US, the government is scrambling to soften the popular opposition before the deal is scuttled:

    In a full-page letter published in several German newspapers on Saturday, Economy Minister Sigmar Gabriel warned against "scaremongering".
 

    "We have the chance to set new and goods standards for growing global trade. With ambitious, standards for the environment and consumers and with fair conditions for investment and workers. This must be our aim," Gabriel wrote.



    "A fair and comprehensive free trade deal promotes growth and prosperity in Europe. We should actively participate in the rules for world trade of tomorrow," Ulrich Grillo, head of the BDI Federation of German industries, said in a statement.

Businesses hope the trade deal will deliver over $100 billion of economic gains on both sides of the Atlantic.

Which, naturally, is jargon for millions in cost-cuts and layoffs, meant to boost profitability and shareholder equity.

For now the U.S. public remains largely inert to the TPP and TTIP concerns sweeping the globe; we expect that to last until the next major round of layoffs hits the US, just in time for the NBER to admit the country has been in a recession for at least 6 months...


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-10/biggest-protest-country-has-seen-years-quarter-million-germans-protest-obama-free-tr
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Re: Quarter Million Germans Protest Obama "Free Trade" Deal
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2015, 02:27:59 pm »
When will Americans get off their butts and protest??  Why oh why do we continue to do nothing? We continue to have open border, illegal immigration, Obamacare, executive amnesty and now Obamatrade.

Americans are so self absorbed, so undereducated, that I think it's nearly impossible for most of them to comprehend what a trade deal means.
And the media, well, if Obama was pushing legislation for almost anything, the media would cover or ignore, as required to give Obama what he wanted.


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Re: Quarter Million Germans Protest Obama "Free Trade" Deal
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2015, 02:28:32 pm »
...Case in point Germany, where today hundreds of thousands of people marched in Berlin in protest against the planned "free trade" deal between Europe and the United States which they say is anti-democratic and will lower food safety, labor and environmental standards.

In other words they fear the US is the winner.  Why should I be against it then?

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Re: Quarter Million Germans Protest Obama "Free Trade" Deal
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2015, 02:52:16 pm »
I'll be frankly honest, anything that Obama is FOR - 99.9999999999999% of the time, I'm going to be against.  We've seen this thing before where we have to pass the thing to find out what's in it.

I can't speak for the Germans, but I think if Obama is for it - it's bad for America.  Unfortunately, there aren't enough Americans that give a damn to march in protest against anything these days. 

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Re: Quarter Million Germans Protest Obama "Free Trade" Deal
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2015, 04:48:15 pm »
Americans are so self absorbed, so undereducated, that I think it's nearly impossible for most of them to comprehend what a trade deal means.
And the media, well, if Obama was pushing legislation for almost anything, the media would cover or ignore, as required to give Obama what he wanted.


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Yes, there are those that are too self-absorbed and then there are others in denial or don't want to believe what is happening.  Some of the older crowd tend to resist the idea that our government could do anything anti-patriotic or un-American.  You are correct in that the media tends to cover up what the government is doing which doesn't help those that are uneducated and continue to keep the low information voters down.
Romans 12:16-21

Live in harmony with one another; do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly, do not claim to be wiser than you are.  Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all.  If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all…do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

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Re: Quarter Million Germans Protest Obama "Free Trade" Deal
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2015, 05:05:29 pm »
By all means oppose a traditional Republican position, since it is Obama advancing it.

Ignore the fact that the protests in Germany are from their union movement, support of such movement is a democrat position, both here and there.

And most of all, instead of learning the specifics to oppose, merely oppose it coming from Obama.

There in a nutshell can be found, contemporary "conservatism," which deserves to be split two or three ways, and lose all power due to the split.

1. Traditional Republican business support, anti-union movement, probably Chamber of Commerce,

2. Trumpism, populist, no particular political philosophy,

3. An intellectual, issue by issue analysis.

We rarely get to 3. 
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Re: Quarter Million Germans Protest Obama "Free Trade" Deal
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2015, 06:08:21 pm »
By all means oppose a traditional Republican position, since it is Obama advancing it.

Ignore the fact that the protests in Germany are from their union movement, support of such movement is a democrat position, both here and there.

And most of all, instead of learning the specifics to oppose, merely oppose it coming from Obama.

There in a nutshell can be found, contemporary "conservatism," which deserves to be split two or three ways, and lose all power due to the split.

1. Traditional Republican business support, anti-union movement, probably Chamber of Commerce,

2. Trumpism, populist, no particular political philosophy,

3. An intellectual, issue by issue analysis.

We rarely get to 3.

It's interesting how conservatism devolves to something similar to sports fandom. The constant battles over at TOS, (which certain posters seem to want to incite here), over who is more conservative. As if the more conservative you are, the higher rank you have, and your opinions mean more.

I think the CofC could not care less about average Americans, people like me.

I was part of the posting flames over free traitors. I was told over and over again that moving things to China was GOOD. It would enable us to pursue things other than that nasty manufacturing. That China was our friend, and it would all turn out for the best. There were plenty of us who saw through the BS.

I think it's valid to oppose something simply on the basis of Obama wanting it. Obama is a cancer unlike anything I've witnessed.

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Re: Quarter Million Germans Protest Obama "Free Trade" Deal
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2015, 07:04:48 pm »
By all means oppose a traditional Republican position, since it is Obama advancing it.

Ignore the fact that the protests in Germany are from their union movement, support of such movement is a democrat position, both here and there.

And most of all, instead of learning the specifics to oppose, merely oppose it coming from Obama.

There in a nutshell can be found, contemporary "conservatism," which deserves to be split two or three ways, and lose all power due to the split.

1. Traditional Republican business support, anti-union movement, probably Chamber of Commerce,

2. Trumpism, populist, no particular political philosophy,

3. An intellectual, issue by issue analysis.

We rarely get to 3.

With that being said, can you please tell me anything positive Obama has done for this country?  Also, I have nothing against FAIR trade, but we seem to wind up on the short end of FREE trade.l
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Romans 12:16-21

Live in harmony with one another; do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly, do not claim to be wiser than you are.  Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all.  If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all…do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.