Donald Trump:

[aligncare]

Thanks for the advice Carling...is that your complete list of members I should ban?

Most of us respect diversity of opinion.

There are many longtime members here who dislike or mistrust Donald Trump. And yet, I welcome their criticism. Because they do it the right way, without marginalizing or trying to diminish the poster. Others have not been so sensitive.

[famousdayandyear]

Question:  Just what is the point of this thread.  The first post has me confused.  Can anybody explain that initial post?  Thanks.

[truth_seeker]

In case somebody is missing it, "conservatism" is having a tough time defining itself.

There is a movement to require near perfect purity in the House on one hand over "conservative" political philosophy, and at the SAME time a movement to elevate Donald Trump to not just stardom, but near dictator status, regardless of political philosophy. If the Donald said it or did it, it must be good.

That is a contradiction.

Is this site to become a reality site, where we vote people off the island for non-obedience to the latest philosophy?

Will "RINOGOP" become the required daily chorus?

Just for the record, Gingrich said McCarthy would be great, and Jordan head of Freedom Caucus said Ryan would be okay.

There are people on BOTH sides here, pushing their preferences extremely hard. All caps is the internet version of SHOUTING.

Constant repetition goes BOTH ways here. So be consistent, whatever the direction.

[Free Vulcan]

In case somebody is missing it, "conservatism" is having a tough time defining itself.

There is a movement to require near perfect purity in the House on one hand over "conservative" political philosophy, and at the SAME time a movement to elevate Donald Trump to not just stardom, but near dictator status, regardless of political philosophy. If the Donald said it or did it, it must be good.

That is a contradiction.

Is this site to become a reality site, where we vote people off the island for non-obedience to the latest philosophy?

Will "RINOGOP" become the required daily chorus?

Just for the record, Gingrich said McCarthy would be great, and Jordan head of Freedom Caucus said Ryan would be okay.

There are people on BOTH sides here, pushing their preferences extremely hard. All caps is the internet version of SHOUTING.

Constant repetition goes BOTH ways here. So be consistent, whatever the direction.

What's missing in your analysis is a very significant factor of the turmoil - namely the ineptitude and lack of principle of Boehner, McConnell and their allies. That and the GOPe's pushing lame, mushy dynasty candidates like Jeb, then having the audacity to criticize every other candidate not in the fraternity. The situation we are in is not a one-way tango.

[musiclady]

Most of us respect diversity of opinion.

There are many longtime members here who dislike or mistrust Donald Trump. And yet, I welcome their criticism. Because they do it the right way, without marginalizing or trying to diminish the poster. Others have not been so sensitive.

Those others don't seem to be here to discuss, but rather to demean and belittle.

I'm one who doesn't trust Trump, but it's tiresome to see a couple of posters not only bash him, but demean those who support him.

I personally don't understand the support, but I respect those of you who are on this forum who still think Trump's the right guy.

[musiclady]

btw, there are also a couple of Trump people who bash others pretty much as hard.

Don't like that coming from either side....... and it DOES come from both sides.

[libertybele]

What can be said about Trump?  For starters, there can be no denying the fact that those who didn't know about sanctuary cities or the havoc that illegals are wreaking on our country they certainly do now. I think even the low information voters woke up on that one. Trump was able to get the media attention that has been needed for a long time.  It is ridiculous that those in our government refuse to do their jobs and listen to the very people that voted them in.  Instead we have had open borders for decades; Obamacare shoved down our throats and numerous scandals that obviously we have been made to accept; or the media has decided to help cover up and the opposite party gets blamed.  That is why Trump has gained that support that he has. The people finally have a voice.  No one other than Trump and Cruz has been willing to stand up to the "Washington Cartel" /aka establishment. 

I happen to be a Ted Cruz fan and feel he is the best candidate we have.  BUT, I would trust Trump as president before I would trust any of the Washington Cartel.  Why would I trust those in Congress who have continuously lied and have done nothing and why would I trust candidates who are or have been part of that establishment?

IMHO, this is it. IF we don't get a conservative in Washington who will change the liberal progressive agenda that has hit this country like a widespread disease, we will lose this country.

” It is a time for truth. It is a time for liberty. It is a time to reclaim the Constitution of the United States."

--- Ted Cruz 2016.  Reigniting the Promise of America!

[Fishrrman]

EdinVA wrote above:
[[ For example, I cannot believe the best that the democratic party has to offer is clinton and sanders ]]

Could it be... could it just be... that clinton and sanders ARE "the best" that that party has "to offer" ....?   ;)

[Fishrrman]

mystery asks:
[[ Thanks for the advice Carling...is that your complete list of members I should ban? ]]

It's not necessary to ban anyone.
That reeks of TOS.
Been banned there myself. Three times, actually.

Nope.
There's a better way.

Just put 'em on ignore.
Then you don't have to get agitated by them any more.

Granted, that's a pointedly radical action to take.
I've only got one user here "on the list".
But I have no regrets in having done so.

If folks want to ignore me, fine.
Not my position to tell 'em what to do...

[libertybele]

We all belong to this forum and I think we should all try to get along.  Insults are really unnecessary; although some people seem to be more sensitive than others.  Bottom line;  IMHO -- the fate of this country will be determined by this election.  I never in my wildest dreams ever thought that Obama would win a second term.  I was absolutely devastated when Romney lost and actually terrified of another term under Obama. Obviously, I had just cause. That should have been a wake up call for the GOP. I am angry that our Congressmen have done little to curtail the actions of the Marxist in the White House, but I think the majority of us in here realize what is at stake and we cannot afford to lose this election to progressive socialists.   

[Oceander]

hmmm.....

[famousdayandyear]

Question again:

What is the point of this thread and the FIRST post?  Please help me understand.

[Oceander]

Question again:

What is the point of this thread and the FIRST post?  Please help me understand.

Think about it a little:  perhaps the OP is saying that the discussion has become about as pointless as hitting each other over the head with chairs.  I suppose the OP didn't feel like trotting out the beating-a-dead-horse trope.

[famousdayandyear]

Think about it a little:  perhaps the OP is saying that the discussion has become about as pointless as hitting each other over the head with chairs.  I suppose the OP didn't feel like trotting out the beating-a-dead-horse trope.

Yep.  I thought about it a LOT.  Seems to me it just started the stuff all over again.  Maybe they thought it was cute.  I don't.

[famousdayandyear]

[truth_seeker]

What's missing in your analysis is a very significant factor of the turmoil - namely the ineptitude and lack of principle of Boehner, McConnell and their allies. That and the GOPe's pushing lame, mushy dynasty candidates like Jeb, then having the audacity to criticize every other candidate not in the fraternity. The situation we are in is not a one-way tango.

What is inept or lacking in principle for Boehner, McConnell arranging for NO Republicans to vote for Obamacare?

And near as I can tell, Jeb is at present one of 15 candidates, in an as yet to be decided contest.

And those who oppose  Boehner, McConnell are proving to be inept, to at least the same degree and probably much more.

Such is politics. The pros, which is what they are, are solving the Speaker issue now, with Jordan and Gowdy stating support for Ryan, as an example.

We as amateurs should remain as calm as possible, and not stress out from watching in almost real time, that which used to take place privately in smokey back rooms.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

mystery asks:
[[ Thanks for the advice Carling...is that your complete list of members I should ban? ]]

It's not necessary to ban anyone.
That reeks of TOS.
Been banned there myself. Three times, actually.

Nope.
There's a better way.

Just put 'em on ignore.
Then you don't have to get agitated by them any more.

Granted, that's a pointedly radical action to take.
I've only got one user here "on the list".
But I have no regrets in having done so.

If folks want to ignore me, fine.
Not my position to tell 'em what to do...

Excellent advice sir, and anyone who has you on their ignore list is doing a disservice to themselves. 
I have 3 people on my list because I think they are intellectually dishonest so there is no point arguing with them.  I recommend this feature highly.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

In case somebody is missing it, "conservatism" is having a tough time defining itself.

There is a movement to require near perfect purity in the House on one hand over "conservative" political philosophy, and at the SAME time a movement to elevate Donald Trump to not just stardom, but near dictator status, regardless of political philosophy. If the Donald said it or did it, it must be good.

That is a contradiction.

Is this site to become a reality site, where we vote people off the island for non-obedience to the latest philosophy?

Will "RINOGOP" become the required daily chorus?

Just for the record, Gingrich said McCarthy would be great, and Jordan head of Freedom Caucus said Ryan would be okay.

There are people on BOTH sides here, pushing their preferences extremely hard. All caps is the internet version of SHOUTING.

Constant repetition goes BOTH ways here. So be consistent, whatever the direction.

Words can be such meager things sometimes..."I really like this post" doesn't say it enough.  Thanx for posting what I'm thinking.

[Lando Lincoln]

This was (is) a post borne of frustration over the 8-track style, do-loop "discussions" regarding the headline topic.  Discussions rife with anger at times. It was not intended to taunt or mock; nor was it intended to make a deep statement.  Yet, it is the most viewed "Politics" page in the last month.  Who could have imagined it would receive so much attention?

[Lando Lincoln]

[aligncare]

We all belong to this forum and I think we should all try to get along.  Insults are really unnecessary; although some people seem to be more sensitive than others.  Bottom line;  IMHO -- the fate of this country will be determined by this election.  I never in my wildest dreams ever thought that Obama would win a second term.  I was absolutely devastated when Romney lost and actually terrified of another term under Obama. Obviously, I had just cause. That should have been a wake up call for the GOP. I am angry that our Congressmen have done little to curtail the actions of the Marxist in the White House, but I think the majority of us in here realize what is at stake and we cannot afford to lose this election to progressive socialists.   

I got out of following politics and quit posting for nearly a year over that election result.  I couldn't believe my fellow Americans would actually bring him back for an encore! Gluttons for punishment, I guess.

[EdinVA]

EdinVA wrote above:
[[ For example, I cannot believe the best that the democratic party has to offer is clinton and sanders ]]

Could it be... could it just be... that clinton and sanders ARE "the best" that that party has "to offer" ....?   ;)

That is a shame.... Where are the JFK's and Trumans, they have to be out there somewhere.....
The republicans have a credible set of candidates, some I am not crazy about, but at least they have a handle on the issues and no criminal background.... :)

[Free Vulcan]

What is inept or lacking in principle for Boehner, McConnell arranging for NO Republicans to vote for Obamacare?

And near as I can tell, Jeb is at present one of 15 candidates, in an as yet to be decided contest.

And those who oppose  Boehner, McConnell are proving to be inept, to at least the same degree and probably much more.

Such is politics. The pros, which is what they are, are solving the Speaker issue now, with Jordan and Gowdy stating support for Ryan, as an example.

We as amateurs should remain as calm as possible, and not stress out from watching in almost real time, that which used to take place privately in smokey back rooms.

I'll throw in two more - the Bush tax cuts and the sequester. So your premise is that he managed not to capitulate on the GOP's most basic, absolute, line-in-the-sand core principles that otherwise would completely discredit him as being a Republican. Wow. That's not exactly a ringing endorsement. That's like saying though the farm is gone, you did manage to save the house, a tractor, and a good dependable horse. Small ball is not a exactly a record to do victory laps on.

And not being an amateur, I can tell you that we can do better, because we've done better for Speaker with a Democrat President at the helm 20 years ago. How far we've fallen from the Newt era. The problem is the GOPe wants to tsk-tsk us with it's condescending parochial attitude, but it doesn't want to receive the spotlight of scrutiny itself. We didn't get where we are with one hand clapping as they have just as much hand in the failure as everyone else.

[libertybele]

Anyone?  I heard on talk radio this morning that there is a procedure that the DEMS could use to where they actually nominate the next speaker. 

[DCPatriot]