Crush during Hajj pilgrimage in Saudi Arabia

[EC]

Death toll in Saudi Arabia pilgrimage crush rises to 310, civil defense says - @KSA_998

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/crush-during-haj-pilgrimage-in-saudi-arabia/

This is why I respectfully disagree with my brother about the relative importance of Iran and Saudi Arabia in terms of Islamic Jihad.
Iran has an overt theocracy.
Saudi has lots of money (the funds released to Iran by the treasonous nuke deal are petty cash levels to them) and the city of Mecca, which EVERY Muslim must attend once (and pay dearly to do so) in their life.

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This is madness. Seems every year it's same thing. Can't they anticipate do crowd control? What's wrong with these people?

[EC]

Hajj is BIG. 1.5 million people this year, over the space of about 4 days, cramming into something about the size of Yankee Stadium (that'd be the playing field - not the stands). That's a lot of crowd to control, even for a highly totalitarian state. This despite the absolutely state of the art control center they have.

All it takes is one person in the crush pushing, tripping, or becoming overwhelmed to cause total chaos.

 

[rangerrebew]

Hajj horror as 300 killed in Mina stampede
'Stoning the devil' Muslim ritual turns deadly
Published: 27 mins ago

 
More than 300 people were killed and another 450 or so injured when a stampede broke out during one of the final Hajj rituals in Mina, a tent city a couple miles from Mecca.

The stampede broke out during the “stoning the devil” Muslim ceremony – and it’s not the first time this has happened. CNN reported hundreds have been killed during the same ritual in previous years and in 2006 alone, 363 died during the ceremony.

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Thursday’s incident has so far left a total of 310 dead, though the numbers of fatalities are continuing to climb.

“We have a stampede accident in Mina and civil defense is dealing with it,” said Interior Ministry spokesman Brig. Gen. Mansour al-Turki, in CNN.

About 4,000 emergency responders and 220 ambulances have been called to the scene.

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The two-day “stoning the devil” ritual requires pilgrims to hurl rocks at three pillars, in recognition of the Muslim story of Abraham throwing stones at the devil in rejection of temptations, CNN said.

Hajj, in its third day on Thursday, actually kicked off with a disaster that left 107 dead. Ten days before the season started, a construction crane crashed through the Grand Mosque roof in Mecca, killing more than 100 and leaving 238 or so with injuries.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/hajj-horror-as-300-killed-in-mina-stampede/#HqmzEqHIcpkopm5K.99

[mountaineer]

Those crazy kids!

[musiclady]

Hajj horror as 300 killed in Mina stampede
'Stoning the devil' Muslim ritual turns deadly
Published: 27 mins ago

 
More than 300 people were killed and another 450 or so injured when a stampede broke out during one of the final Hajj rituals in Mina, a tent city a couple miles from Mecca.

The stampede broke out during the “stoning the devil” Muslim ceremony – and it’s not the first time this has happened. CNN reported hundreds have been killed during the same ritual in previous years and in 2006 alone, 363 died during the ceremony.

Thursday’s incident has so far left a total of 310 dead, though the numbers of fatalities are continuing to climb.

Would the devil be America?? 

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Would the devil be America?? 

Hmm...the great satan? By George, I think you're on to something.

[mountaineer]

Would the devil be America?? 

It certainly isn't the entity telling them to slaughter millions of innocent people around the world, so it must be the US or Israel. 

[olde north church]

F*ck'em.

[mountaineer]

Strange story from AFP.

Saudis blamed after hajj stampede kills 717
AFP
By Lynne al-Nahhas
2 hours ago

     
Mina (Saudi Arabia) (AFP) - Blame shifted towards Saudi authorities Friday after a crush at the hajj killed at least 717 people in the worst tragedy to strike the annual Muslim pilgrimage in a quarter-century.

The disaster, which also injured several hundred people, was the second deadly accident to hit worshippers this month, after a crane collapse in the holy city of Mecca killed more than 100.

Riyadh's regional rival Iran said 131 of its nationals were among the victims, and on Friday stepped up its criticism of the kingdom, demanding that affected countries have a role in the Saudi investigation into the disaster.

Dark-skinned and light-skinned, pilgrims died with arms draped around each other. [??]

"There was no room to manoeuvre," said Aminu Abubakar, an AFP correspondent who was among the pilgrims. He escaped the crush of bodies because he was at the head of a procession.

Fellow pilgrims told him of children dying despite parents' efforts to save them near the sprawling tent city where they were lodged.

"They threw them on rooftops, mostly tent-tops... Most of them couldn't make it."

The stampede broke out in Mina, about five kilometres (three miles) from Mecca, during the symbolic "stoning of the devil" ritual.

Several African and North African countries confirmed deaths, as did India, Indonesia, Pakistan and the Netherlands. Moroccan media gave 87 killed, while Turkey reported 18 nationals missing.

"Countries such as Iran, which have suffered so much, should be represented in the inquiry to determine the causes of the catastrophe and to gain assurances that it will not be repeated in the future," Iran's First Vice President Eshaq Jahangiri said after an extraordinary session of the cabinet.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan defended the kingdom, with whom Ankara's ties have been improving. He said it would be wrong to "point a finger at Saudi Arabia which does its best" to make the hajj possible.

However, pilgrims at the scene faulted Saudi authorities and some said they were afraid to carry on with the rituals on Friday.

However, they also said security had improved and the crowd was smaller.  [Two sentences in a row beginning, "However ..." got past the editor?]

Special emergency forces were heavily deployed across Mina with dozens of troops at every level of the five-storey bridge used for the stoning ritual in which pebbles are thrown at walls.

A Kenyan survivor who returned to the site on Friday told AFP his group lost three people.

"I can blame the Saudi government because they did not control (the situation). I was there. I survived," Isaac Saleh said, tears welling.

King Salman, whose official title is "Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques" in Mecca and Medina, ordered "a revision" of how the hajj is organised, state news agency SPA said.

A formal inquiry is under way.

On Friday, Salman told a reception for the heads of visiting hajj delegations that Riyadh is committed "to ensure the comfort of the visitors, and watch for their safety and security".

During weekly prayers at Mecca's Grand Mosque, Sheikh Saleh al-Taleb defended the kingdom which, he said, "is capable of managing hajj affairs" without outsiders suggesting they can do better.

"It is unacceptable to ignore all the efforts" the country has made to improve infrastructure at the holy sites, he said.

Saudi Arabia has spent billion of dollars on hajj safety measures.

Health Minister Khaled al-Falih blamed worshippers themselves for the tragedy. He told El-Ekhbariya television that if "the pilgrims had followed instructions, this type of accident could have been avoided".

Pilgrims, however, blamed road closures and poor management of the flow of hundreds of thousands of pilgrims in searing temperatures.

"People were stumbling, falling, trying to get up. They were dehydrated, getting disorientated, they were dying in front of our eyes," said South African businessman Zaid Bayat, 43.

"They were suffocating. We tried to help revive them, but for every person you were helping there were 13, 14 others just falling down," he said.

The stampede began at around 9:00 am (0600 GMT) Thursday. Pilgrims were converging on Mina's Jamarat Bridge to throw pebbles on the first day of the last major ritual of the hajj, which officially ends on Saturday.

The bridge was erected in the past decade at a cost of more than $1 billion (893 million euros) and was intended to improve safety after past disasters.

Interior ministry spokesman General Mansur al-Turki said "a large number of pilgrims were in motion at the same time" at an intersection of two streets in Mina.

"The great heat and fatigue of the pilgrims contributed to the large number of victims," he said.

One outspoken critic of redevelopment at the holy sites said police were not properly trained and lacked the language skills for communicating with foreigners who make up the majority of pilgrims.

"They don't have a clue how to engage with these people," said Irfan al-Alawi, co-founder of the Mecca-based Islamic Heritage Research Foundation.

"There's no crowd control."

The disaster came as the world's 1.5 billion Muslims marked Eid al-Adha, the Feast of Sacrifice, the most important holiday of the Islamic calendar.

Days before the hajj, a construction crane collapsed at the Grand Mosque, Islam's holiest site, killing 109 people including many foreigners.

Official figures released on Thursday said 1,952,817 pilgrims had joined this year's hajj, most of them from abroad.

For years, the event was marred by stampedes and fires, but it had been largely incident-free for nearly a decade after safety improvements.

"Saudi Arabia is incapable of organising the pilgrimage," said Ayatollah Mohammad Emami Kashani, leading the main weekly Muslim prayers in Tehran on Friday.

"The running of the hajj must be handed over to Islamic states," he said.

Iran on Friday organised an official protest against the "mischievous and incompetent regime" in Riyadh, and summoned the Saudi charge d'affaires to ask for its help in repatriating the bodies of Iranian victims.

AFP via Yahoo News

[EC]

Not that strange - it is totally revolting to Iran that Saudi Arabia holds the sacred sites. Part of the Sh'ia/Sunni thing.