Here we go again: Cruz vs. McConnell and Boehner

[Bigun]

Do you really think we have the votes to override a Presidential veto? I want PP defund as the next person but you have to realize we don't have the votes to overcome a Filibuster or a Presidential veto..

I don't give a damn if we do or don't  but it's time to find out for a change!

[mystery-ak]

Do you really think we have the votes to override a Presidential veto? I want PP defund as the next person but you have to realize we don't have the votes to overcome a Filibuster or a Presidential veto..

You sound like Lindsey Graham....it would be nice if the GOP stood together..take a stand for once...

[sinkspur]

You sound like Lindsey Graham....it would be nice if the GOP stood together..take a stand for once...

Why?  So some conservatives can feel good?

And how will you feel if the GOP loses the Senate next year because of this insanity?  Never recovers in public polls?

Instead of PP being the issue, the hardheads in Congress are intent on making THEMSELVES the issue.

[mystery-ak]

I just don't understand people who KNOW they are going to lose doing something going in, yet they go ahead and do it anyway.

Standing up for principle is fine and I'd shutdown PP tomorrow if I could but, since the GOP is NOT GOING TO DEFUND PP and will lose even further in public standing by doing so, I just don't get the point.

Cruz will raise big bucks doing this, but the poor schlub back-bencher Congress guy in his first term might get swept away next year because of a totally futile gesture.

The majority of people still don't even know what's happening behind the doors at PP...maybe this will open some eyes....as far as losing Congress...that's a joke...we never had it in reality.......and I'm not sure a Repub President would let PP get defunded..at least with the current candidates.....albeit Cruz

[Godzilla]

The majority of people still don't even know what's happening behind the doors at PP...maybe this will open some eyes....as far as losing Congress...that's a joke...we never had it in reality.......and I'm not sure a Repub President would let PP get defunded..at least with the current candidates.....albeit Cruz

Their 2013-2014 Annual statement is here:

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/6714/1996/2641/2013-2014_Annual_Report_FINAL_WEB_VERSION.pdf

(their financials are in the latter half of the document)

And if the majority of the people don't know what's happening behind the doors of Planned Parenthood, despite the information being open and in the public domain...

...I seriously doubt that the people will care about what's happening behind the doors of Planned Parenthood with Congress obsessed over them.

[mystery-ak]

...wow....

[Godzilla]

Addition:

Even the conservative press isn't using this information.  (or, at least, not the articles being posted here about it) 

Which kinda tells me that the issue is more about ginning up outrage than actually producing usable information.

[aligncare]

Disregard for the humanity of the unborn is the legacy of the democrats. Let the record show the GOP--save one--stood silently by. Pathetic.

[alicewonders]

[mystery-ak]

Disregard for the humanity of the unborn is the legacy of the democrats. Let the record show the GOP--save one--stood silently by. Pathetic.

God's wrath is long over due..

[Scottftlc]

And how will you feel if the GOP loses the Senate next year because of this insanity?  Never recovers in public polls?

Perhaps if having a majority in the Senate (or the House, for that matter) meant something...meant anything, anything at all...then maybe we'd feel something about it.  If any of the tremendous "progress" of the Democrats socializing the nation were rolled back...any of them, any at all.  Doesn't have to be PP, but how about anything?  The Republicans have done nothing except allow time to make permanent the Democrats moves toward socialism.  As it is, the only difference I can see is that people like McConnell, McCain, Graham et. al. might take a slight hit in their under-the-table income. 

Sometimes it's good to fight just to show people that you still can...or still want to.

[Paladin]

Do you really think we have the votes to override a Presidential veto? I want PP defund as the next person but you have to realize we don't have the votes to overcome a Filibuster or a Presidential veto..

Simple solution. Pull a Reid and change the rules.

[truth_seeker]

Just read elsewhere that there are precisely ZERO Senators that are BOTH anti-abortion, and anti-death penalty--e.g. the positions of the Pope who spoke before Congress.

While I'm not a Catholic, I find their position to be morally consistent. 

[Sanguine]

Just read elsewhere that there are precisely ZERO Senators that are BOTH anti-abortion, and anti-death penalty--e.g. the positions of the Pope who spoke before Congress.

While I'm not a Catholic, I find their position to be morally consistent.

Who's position is morally consistent?

[MBB1984]

Just read elsewhere that there are precisely ZERO Senators that are BOTH anti-abortion, and anti-death penalty--e.g. the positions of the Pope who spoke before Congress.

While I'm not a Catholic, I find their position to be morally consistent.

Really?  You don't see  distinction between destroying innocent life and ending the life of a convicted murderer, given due process and trial?  Anti-abortion and pro death penalty positions are morally consistent based on justice.

[aligncare]

Really?  You don't see  distinction between destroying innocent life and ending the life of a convicted murderer, given due process and trial?  Anti-abortion and pro death penalty positions are morally consistent based on justice.

Not to the liberal they ain't. Remember liberalism is characterized by excessive emotionalism resulting in inconsistent and disarranged thinking.

[libertybele]

Well, in another month it will just be Cruz vs. McConnell ... next!   

[Sanguine]

I just don't understand people who KNOW they are going to lose doing something going in, yet they go ahead and do it anyway.

Seriously, Sinkspur?  You are saying you only stand up against evil when you've weighed the variables and decided that you may win? 

I don't think that's how doing the right thing works.  Heck, if you only did the right thing when you felt you were going to win, there wouldn't be a right or wrong.  Just doing what benefits you.

[aligncare]

Seriously, Sinkspur?  You are saying you only stand up against evil when you've weighed the variables and decided that you may win? 

I don't think that's how doing the right thing works.  Heck, if you only did the right thing when you felt you were going to win, there wouldn't be a right or wrong.  Just doing what benefits you.

 

It's a basic tenet. Learned that in catechism.

Imagine how the voters see the party: Don't stand on principle? Why should I vote for them?

[Godzilla]

It's a basic tenet. Learned that in catechism.

Imagine how the voters see the party: Don't stand on principle? Why should I vote for them?

“The green reed which bends in the wind is stronger than the mighty oak which breaks in a storm.”
- Confucius

"He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot will be victorious."
"Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win."

- Sun Tzu