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The Republican Establishment isn't against Donald Trump, because he's not a conservative. They're against him, because he's against open borders and amnesty. After all, these same pundits trashed Ted Cruz when he announced his candidacy, and have supported non-conservatives in the past. In 2008 and 2012, Americans agreed with the Republican Establishment that McCain and then Romney were our best bet at winning the two elections. Well, both of those candidates failed. Maybe they were swayed by the Establishment pundits on those two candidates, or perhaps they had the same feelings as the Establishment, but they were disappointed in both of the campaigns. They now see in Trump a candidate who they can believe in. The Establishment would never support someone with Trump's campaigning style nor his stance on immigration etc. On the other hand, the American people are not locked in with the Establishment and see a candidate who is finally voicing their opinions on the immigration issue along with a tough style that GWB, McCain, and Romney lacked. Fox New, the Wall St. Journal, Red State, and National Review can write all of the columns they want trashing Trump and his supporters, but it's not going to work like it did in 2008 and 2012. We know they're only interested in the Establishment holding onto power, and not electing conservatives.

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Re: Maybe Americans just don't agree w Rep Establishment on Donald Trump
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2015, 02:08:28 am »
The "American people" are not supporting Trump. He would lose his ass in a general campaign.

You love Trump, but we would see a Goldwater-like massacre if he is the GOP nominee.
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Re: Maybe Americans just don't agree w Rep Establishment on Donald Trump
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2015, 02:25:56 am »
The Republican Establishment isn't against Donald Trump, because he's not a conservative. They're against him, because he's against open borders and amnesty. After all, these same pundits trashed Ted Cruz when he announced his candidacy, and have supported non-conservatives in the past. In 2008 and 2012, Americans agreed with the Republican Establishment that McCain and then Romney were our best bet at winning the two elections. Well, both of those candidates failed. Maybe they were swayed by the Establishment pundits on those two candidates, or perhaps they had the same feelings as the Establishment, but they were disappointed in both of the campaigns. They now see in Trump a candidate who they can believe in. The Establishment would never support someone with Trump's campaigning style nor his stance on immigration etc. On the other hand, the American people are not locked in with the Establishment and see a candidate who is finally voicing their opinions on the immigration issue along with a tough style that GWB, McCain, and Romney lacked. Fox New, the Wall St. Journal, Red State, and National Review can write all of the columns they want trashing Trump and his supporters, but it's not going to work like it did in 2008 and 2012. We know they're only interested in the Establishment holding onto power, and not electing conservatives.

You are EXACTLY right  as to the reasons the establishment is after Trump and you can bet your bottom dollar that once he is disposed of Ted Cruz will be next on their hit list!
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Re: Maybe Americans just don't agree w Rep Establishment on Donald Trump
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2015, 02:49:17 am »
Gawd.  Donald Trump is, at best, what is known in NY as a "Rockefeller Republican" which is, basically, a liberal who is too embarrassed to be seen out at protest marches with the great unwashed.
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Re: Maybe Americans just don't agree w Rep Establishment on Donald Trump
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2015, 02:54:27 am »
Gawd.  Donald Trump is, at best, what is known in NY as a "Rockefeller Republican" which is, basically, a liberal who is too embarrassed to be seen out at protest marches with the great unwashed.

I agree with that to but the truth is the truth as to WHY the establishment acts as they do!
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Re: Maybe Americans just don't agree w Rep Establishment on Donald Trump
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2015, 02:56:42 am »
I agree with that to but the truth is the truth as to WHY the establishment acts as they do!



So people don't like the moderate Republicans so they're going to go with a liberal who's just too embarrassed to be seen in the streets with the hippies and the pierced wierdos from Occupy?

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Re: Maybe Americans just don't agree w Rep Establishment on Donald Trump
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2015, 02:58:32 am »

So people don't like the moderate Republicans so they're going to go with a liberal who's just too embarrassed to be seen in the streets with the hippies and the pierced wierdos from Occupy?

I'm not and have said so repeatedly.
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Re: Maybe Americans just don't agree w Rep Establishment on Donald Trump
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2015, 03:00:21 am »
The Republican Establishment isn't against Donald Trump, because he's not a conservative. They're against him, because he's against open borders and amnesty. After all, these same pundits trashed Ted Cruz when he announced his candidacy, and have supported non-conservatives in the past. In 2008 and 2012, Americans agreed with the Republican Establishment that McCain and then Romney were our best bet at winning the two elections. Well, both of those candidates failed. Maybe they were swayed by the Establishment pundits on those two candidates, or perhaps they had the same feelings as the Establishment, but they were disappointed in both of the campaigns. They now see in Trump a candidate who they can believe in. The Establishment would never support someone with Trump's campaigning style nor his stance on immigration etc. On the other hand, the American people are not locked in with the Establishment and see a candidate who is finally voicing their opinions on the immigration issue along with a tough style that GWB, McCain, and Romney lacked. Fox New, the Wall St. Journal, Red State, and National Review can write all of the columns they want trashing Trump and his supporters, but it's not going to work like it did in 2008 and 2012. We know they're only interested in the Establishment holding onto power, and not electing conservatives.

People have been trained to expect their politicians to act and talk a certain way. Trump doesn't. I haven't heard yet but I'm pretty sure they think he's white trash.

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Re: Maybe Americans just don't agree w Rep Establishment on Donald Trump
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2015, 03:00:58 am »
I'm not and have said so repeatedly.

For that I'm glad.

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Re: Maybe Americans just don't agree w Rep Establishment on Donald Trump
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2015, 03:07:42 am »
People have been trained to expect their politicians to act and talk a certain way. Trump doesn't. I haven't heard yet but I'm pretty sure they think he's white trash.

They don't think he's white trash at all IMHO! They admire him in many ways but he's NOT presidential material! I personally think he is every bit as big a narcissist as Barack Obama.
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Re: Maybe Americans just don't agree w Rep Establishment on Donald Trump
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2015, 03:18:54 am »
Every poll has surveyed Republicans and Republican-leaners.

Not the general public at large.

And the best Trump gets of that subset of the US population is roughly 25-30%.  For easy math, I'm going to round that to 1/3rd.

Now, 1/3rd of the US voting population is registered as Republican.

So, 1/3rd of 1/3rd of the voting population... is about 11% of the general voting population.

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"Maybe Americans just don't agree w Rep Establishment on Donald Trump"? 

Only if 11% is the majority.  Which can be true... in Bizarro World.

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Re: Maybe Americans just don't agree w Rep Establishment on Donald Trump
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2015, 03:25:09 am »
But once he's nominated, he'll get 3/3 of the pubbie voters, and probably 2/3 of the squishy middle and possibly 1/5 of the dems.
I think that adds up to a win.
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« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2015, 04:10:16 pm »
But once he's nominated, he'll get 3/3 of the pubbie voters, and probably 2/3 of the squishy middle and possibly 1/5 of the dems.
I think that adds up to a win.

Or not.

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Re: Maybe Americans just don't agree w Rep Establishment on Donald Trump
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2015, 04:00:11 pm »
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