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Why Trump Can't Win
« on: September 16, 2015, 03:55:42 am »
http://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/09/15/5-reasons-donald-trump-cant-win-the-gop-nomination

As the Trump carnival rolls on there is no question that his reality show disguised as a presidential campaign has not only outlasted the predictions of many political observers, including myself, but has arguably gained momentum heading into the fall. There is also no question that, at least in the short-term, he's harming the Republican Party's brand among Hispanic and female voters while serving as a tremendous distraction from an otherwise deep and well-qualified bench of Republican candidates.

For Republicans who care deeply about winning back the White House in 2016 and appreciate the consequences that are at stake in this election, the "Summer of Trump" has been a source of great frustration and the months ahead could cause further consternation. But as any astute political observer knows – and we see it every election cycle – a week can be a lifetime in politics and six months can be an eternity. Both voters and the media often have very short-term memories and the fortunes of a campaign can turn on a dime over an unforeseen event, a lack of rhetorical judgment or systemic institutional flaws within the campaign that had previously gone unnoticed.

So it's important to take a step back and to consider the many reasons why, with more than four months until the first primary and almost six months until "Super Tuesday," it's far too early to make any definitive predictions for either party. More important, despite the polls and outsized media coverage, the reality is that there are many reasons why Trump still remains a long-shot to win the Republican nomination. Here are my top five:

1. Money – That may surprise people. After all nearly every story written about Trump's presidential campaign is inevitably accompanied by the word "billionaire" and the phrase "who has vowed to self-finance." Yet while there is no question that Trump is a very wealthy man, the operative words remain "who has vowed." To date, not only has Trump not spent even the smallest fraction of his reported $300 million in available cash, there is no indication in his long personal and professional history that he has any intention of actually doing so. To the contrary, Trump amassed his wealth largely by gambling with other people's money while risking/investing very little personal capital. In fact, on countless occasions over the years Trump has bragged about how little personal money he's had to invest in many business deals. There is nothing in his history to suggest that Trump is seriously prepared to spend any significant portion of his personal wealth despite his boastful rhetoric. When you consider that Mitt Romney raised and spent nearly $400 million just to win the Republican nomination, including tens of millions in personal money, and competitors like former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush have already raised over $100 million that they're now preparing to deploy, that's a big deal.

2. The Real Campaign Is Just Beginning – To date, earned media coverage has largely dictated this race and while Trump has been masterful in manipulating the media to low information voters, the real campaign is only just beginning. And when it comes to negative ads Trump's opponents have a lot of material to work with. As much as voters claim to dislike negative ads the reality is that they are very effective and voters will be introduced to the real Donald Trump in the weeks ahead.

3. He's Not a Conservative – By any measure, Trump is the most liberal GOP frontrunner at any point in recent memory. From his support for single payer health care to his past support for abortion to his calls for massive new tax hikes, which liberal Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren recently praised him for, the reality is that the vast majority of voters do not yet realize that once you cut through his bombastic rhetoric, Trump is to the left on a number of issues important to GOP primary voters. Expect his opponents to hammer Trump and to drive home his real record and past rhetoric.

4. Lack of a Serious Campaign Infrastructure – As we saw in the 2012 GOP primary with the periodic rise of candidates like Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum and others, the reality is that earned media and even outside Super PAC money can only take a candidate so far. Organized ground game and voter targeting efforts backed by in-state staff are critical in the long-term, and to date, the Trump campaign does not appear to have invested in a serious campaign infrastructure.

5. Ignorance and Self-Immolation – In just the past week, Trump displayed his complete ignorance of foreign policy in an interview with conservative radio show host Hugh Hewitt where he could not identify any of the major terrorist leaders in the world, which was followed by an insulting personal attack on the only female candidate in the race, Carly Fiorina. The lack of rhetorical self-discipline which some of his supporters see as an attribute today will inevitably come back to bite him as voters grow weary of his act. Everyone loves a carnival barker and reality shows can be amusing but when you get to the point of seriously deciding if that person should be the leader of the free world, expect many Republican voters to pull the lever for someone else.

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Re: Why Trump Can't Win
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2015, 04:31:50 am »
That is all in the past. It is a new era, whereby last hour's twit can be worth Ten$ of millions in ads.

Trump is Teflon, with the type of frustrated voters he is attracting.

Reminded his positions on some issues are the same as democrats, they reply "I don't care, I still like him, because he tells it like it is."
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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2015, 04:48:52 am »
That is all in the past. It is a new era, whereby last hour's twit can be worth Ten$ of millions in ads.

Trump is Teflon, with the type of frustrated voters he is attracting.

Reminded his positions on some issues are the same as democrats, they reply "I don't care, I still like him, because he tells it like it is."
I think that is because much of Trumps support comes from rats playing off GOP dissatisfaction.  The Republican leaning supporters are mostly dumb asses who left the party in 2008 and 2012, because they were too stupid to see a difference between Obama, and McCain and Romney...plus Rush and Levin.  They have few cognitive skills and less reasoning ability in their anger.  Let them flounder like the lost causes they are.   The GOP isn't a sounding board for retards.

F them.

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Re: Why Trump Can't Win
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2015, 10:56:05 am »
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4. Lack of a Serious Campaign Infrastructure – As we saw in the 2012 GOP primary with the periodic rise of candidates like Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum and others, the reality is that earned media and even outside Super PAC money can only take a candidate so far. Organized ground game and voter targeting efforts backed by in-state staff are critical in the long-term, and to date, the Trump campaign does not appear to have invested in a serious campaign infrastructure.
Now hold on just a moment. Each one of those candidacies were felled by separate problems that had nothing to do with ground game or voter targeting. Cain left while he was still competitive because of relentless accusations of affairs. Gingrich torpedoed himself with moon colony nonsense. Rick Santorum was simply the last person standing to be able to challenge Romney, and let's face it, he's ridiculously unpalatable to the vast majority of Americans.
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Re: Why Trump Can't Win
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2015, 11:45:21 am »
To Brian Walsh, author of this gruesome ghost story: pfffft!

He was wrong in the beginning, he's wrong now, and he'll be wrong in the end.

By the way, nobody reads U.S. News & World Report anymore. By the time it ended its printing run in 2010, it was as thin as a pamphlet.

Like it's competitors, Time and Newsweek, it houses all the news that's fit to ignore.
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Re: Why Trump Can't Win
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2015, 12:19:34 pm »
1.  It is well-known that Trump has "staffed up."  If he has no intention of spending his $300 million he isn't showing it.  Also, he gets hundreds of millions in free media.  He doesn't have to buy media to get in front of the public.  The media comes to him.

2. The real campaign has just begun, but the trends all favor Trump as his negatives continue to move down and his support inches up.  Meanwhile, Bush and Walker are looking at terrible trend lines.

3. When was the last time the Republicans nominated a conservative for the presidency?  Trump is not a conservative and yet he has Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Sarah Palin, Mark Cuban and Jeff Sessions all lending him their support.  He has plenty of cover from conservatives as he maneuvers to bring in the anti-corporate disenfranchised by bashing CEOs and hedge fund guys.

4. No serious campaign infrastructure and yet he fills stadiums with 20K people.  Yeah, that's a big problem.

5.  Elites continue to think that the people want a president who talks like an academic.  I think Trump is showing that they are now very, very mistrusting of the hoity-toity academic speak of talk TV hosts like Krauthammer and George Will.  Trump is talking to them like an old school New York cab driver would speak (back before immigrants and Uber ruined the cab driving trade). 

I think Trump is accumulating very important friends as he continues to gain momentum.  Having Mark Cuban in his corner is huge.  Same with Jeff Sessions.  At this point he is the man to beat, and so far everyone has underestimated him.   

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Re: Why Trump Can't Win
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2015, 12:35:09 pm »
1.  It is well-known that Trump has "staffed up."  If he has no intention of spending his $300 million he isn't showing it.  Also, he gets hundreds of millions in free media.  He doesn't have to buy media to get in front of the public.  The media comes to him.

2. The real campaign has just begun, but the trends all favor Trump as his negatives continue to move down and his support inches up.  Meanwhile, Bush and Walker are looking at terrible trend lines.

3. When was the last time the Republicans nominated a conservative for the presidency?  Trump is not a conservative and yet he has Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Sarah Palin, Mark Cuban and Jeff Sessions all lending him their support.  He has plenty of cover from conservatives as he maneuvers to bring in the anti-corporate disenfranchised by bashing CEOs and hedge fund guys.

4. No serious campaign infrastructure and yet he fills stadiums with 20K people.  Yeah, that's a big problem.

5.  Elites continue to think that the people want a president who talks like an academic.  I think Trump is showing that they are now very, very mistrusting of the hoity-toity academic speak of talk TV hosts like Krauthammer and George Will.  Trump is talking to them like an old school New York cab driver would speak (back before immigrants and Uber ruined the cab driving trade). 

I think Trump is accumulating very important friends as he continues to gain momentum.  Having Mark Cuban in his corner is huge.  Same with Jeff Sessions.  At this point he is the man to beat, and so far everyone has underestimated him.   

You've nailed it perfectly, Victor!  You should post it on FB so that I can share it.    :laugh:
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Re: Why Trump Can't Win
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2015, 12:41:09 pm »
4. No serious campaign infrastructure and yet he fills stadiums with 20K people.  Yeah, that's a big problem.


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Re: Why Trump Can't Win
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2015, 01:12:07 pm »
1.  It is well-known that Trump has "staffed up."  If he has no intention of spending his $300 million he isn't showing it.  Also, he gets hundreds of millions in free media.  He doesn't have to buy media to get in front of the public.  The media comes to him.

2. The real campaign has just begun, but the trends all favor Trump as his negatives continue to move down and his support inches up.  Meanwhile, Bush and Walker are looking at terrible trend lines.

3. When was the last time the Republicans nominated a conservative for the presidency?  Trump is not a conservative and yet he has Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Sarah Palin, Mark Cuban and Jeff Sessions all lending him their support.  He has plenty of cover from conservatives as he maneuvers to bring in the anti-corporate disenfranchised by bashing CEOs and hedge fund guys.

4. No serious campaign infrastructure and yet he fills stadiums with 20K people.  Yeah, that's a big problem.

5.  Elites continue to think that the people want a president who talks like an academic.  I think Trump is showing that they are now very, very mistrusting of the hoity-toity academic speak of talk TV hosts like Krauthammer and George Will.  Trump is talking to them like an old school New York cab driver would speak (back before immigrants and Uber ruined the cab driving trade). 

I think Trump is accumulating very important friends as he continues to gain momentum.  Having Mark Cuban in his corner is huge.  Same with Jeff Sessions.  At this point he is the man to beat, and so far everyone has underestimated him.   

I like your analysis, Victor.

Look: it's not a surprise that the author of this piece -a key player in a high-profile Washington, D.C.-based GOP public affairs strategy group- is selected to place an opinion piece in a national (well, sort of) news magazine warning of the manifold perils of Donald Trump. A more relevant question might be: which of the other candidates employed him to do so? Or perhaps more likely, was it the National Republican Senatorial Committee, which is at least a past client of Mr. Walsh's firm?

Nonetheless, I find a number of his critiques to be valid ones: the campaign is just beginning, Trump's conservative bona fides are far from clear, his substantive knowledge of the issues to date has been tissue paper-thin, and the whole Trump on the Stump Experience is beyond brash, approaching and perhaps exceeding the point of obnoxiousness.

The reason that he is filling stadiums with cheering throngs has nothing to do with any of that. None of it matters, at least right now. I strongly suspect that eventually it will matter, and as early as the next debate. 

What happens when a large segment of the population no longer trusts or cares to listen to politicians, even those of their own party, because they are tired of being lied to, deceived, seduced and abandoned time and time again? When they begin to suspect that their elected representatives have absolutely no intention of solving problems, but instead, of perpetuating them? When they see their quality of life declining even while the political class lives in comfort and luxury in a land far, far away?

Donald Trump is what happens. Among other things.
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Re: Why Trump Can't Win
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2015, 01:12:13 pm »
1.  It is well-known that Trump has "staffed up."  If he has no intention of spending his $300 million he isn't showing it.  Also, he gets hundreds of millions in free media.  He doesn't have to buy media to get in front of the public.  The media comes to him.

2. The real campaign has just begun, but the trends all favor Trump as his negatives continue to move down and his support inches up.  Meanwhile, Bush and Walker are looking at terrible trend lines.

3. When was the last time the Republicans nominated a conservative for the presidency?  Trump is not a conservative and yet he has Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Sarah Palin, Mark Cuban and Jeff Sessions all lending him their support.  He has plenty of cover from conservatives as he maneuvers to bring in the anti-corporate disenfranchised by bashing CEOs and hedge fund guys.

4. No serious campaign infrastructure and yet he fills stadiums with 20K people.  Yeah, that's a big problem.

5.  Elites continue to think that the people want a president who talks like an academic.  I think Trump is showing that they are now very, very mistrusting of the hoity-toity academic speak of talk TV hosts like Krauthammer and George Will.  Trump is talking to them like an old school New York cab driver would speak (back before immigrants and Uber ruined the cab driving trade). 

I think Trump is accumulating very important friends as he continues to gain momentum.  Having Mark Cuban in his corner is huge.  Same with Jeff Sessions.  At this point he is the man to beat, and so far everyone has underestimated him.   

Amen!  As I have seen people on here say - stop making sense!

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You've nailed it!

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Re: Why Trump Can't Win
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2015, 01:16:16 pm »
1.  It is well-known that Trump has "staffed up."  If he has no intention of spending his $300 million he isn't showing it.  Also, he gets hundreds of millions in free media.  He doesn't have to buy media to get in front of the public.  The media comes to him.

2. The real campaign has just begun, but the trends all favor Trump as his negatives continue to move down and his support inches up.  Meanwhile, Bush and Walker are looking at terrible trend lines.

3. When was the last time the Republicans nominated a conservative for the presidency?  Trump is not a conservative and yet he has Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Sarah Palin, Mark Cuban and Jeff Sessions all lending him their support.  He has plenty of cover from conservatives as he maneuvers to bring in the anti-corporate disenfranchised by bashing CEOs and hedge fund guys.

4. No serious campaign infrastructure and yet he fills stadiums with 20K people.  Yeah, that's a big problem.

5.  Elites continue to think that the people want a president who talks like an academic.  I think Trump is showing that they are now very, very mistrusting of the hoity-toity academic speak of talk TV hosts like Krauthammer and George Will.  Trump is talking to them like an old school New York cab driver would speak (back before immigrants and Uber ruined the cab driving trade). 

I think Trump is accumulating very important friends as he continues to gain momentum.  Having Mark Cuban in his corner is huge.  Same with Jeff Sessions.  At this point he is the man to beat, and so far everyone has underestimated him.   

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Re: Why Trump Can't Win
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2015, 01:32:00 pm »
I like your analysis, Victor.

Look: it's not a surprise that the author of this piece -a key player in a high-profile Washington, D.C.-based GOP public affairs strategy group- is selected to place an opinion piece in a national (well, sort of) news magazine warning of the manifold perils of Donald Trump. A more relevant question might be: which of the other candidates employed him to do so? Or perhaps more likely, was it the National Republican Senatorial Committee, which is at least a past client of Mr. Walsh's firm?

Nonetheless, I find a number of his critiques to be valid ones: the campaign is just beginning, Trump's conservative bona fides are far from clear, his substantive knowledge of the issues to date has been tissue paper-thin, and the whole Trump on the Stump Experience is beyond brash, approaching and perhaps exceeding the point of obnoxiousness.

The reason that he is filling stadiums with cheering throngs has nothing to do with any of that. None of it matters, at least right now. I strongly suspect that eventually it will matter, and as early as the next debate. 

What happens when a large segment of the population no longer trusts or cares to listen to politicians, even those of their own party, because they are tired of being lied to, deceived, seduced and abandoned time and time again? When they begin to suspect that their elected representatives have absolutely no intention of solving problems, but instead, of perpetuating them? When they see their quality of life declining even while the political class lives in comfort and luxury in a land far, far away?

Donald Trump is what happens. Among other things.

Good post. You are not wrong in anything you said here.

The way I see it, events will play out whether I oppose them, or give in to them. So, I prefer to remain as dispassionate as possible at this point. The only way to keep sane. That may change down the line. But, you all will know it when and if that happens.