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 Polygamous family defends union by citing same-sex marriage ruling

Cast of Sister Wives says supreme court decision proves laws prohibiting consensual adult relationships are outdated even if the unions are unpopular
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Kody Brown poses with his wives at one of their homes in Las Vegas. Photograph: Jerry Henkel/AP

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Thursday 27 August 2015 15.06 EDT
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A polygamous family says the landmark supreme court ruling legalizing same-sex marriage shows that laws prohibiting consensual adult relationships are outdated even if the unions are unpopular.

Kody Brown and his four wives argue in court documents filed on Wednesday that their family life chronicled on the reality TV show Sister Wives shows that polygamous marriages can be as healthy as monogamous ones.

The Browns are defending a legal victory they won when a federal judge struck down key parts of Utah’s law banning polygamy, removing the threat of arrest for plural families.

Utah’s attorney general, Sean Reyes, is appealing. The state contends the law prevents abuse of women and children and courts have long upheld anti-polygamy laws.

Unlike the same-sex marriage case, the Browns are not seeking full legal recognition of polygamous marriages.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/27/sister-wives-defends-polygamy-family-cites-gay-marriage


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Re: Polygamous family defends union by citing same-sex marriage ruling
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2015, 09:38:32 pm »
And away we go....

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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2015, 03:06:53 am »
It was only a matter of time.

Incest will be next in line for protection.

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« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2015, 03:09:30 am »
Uh, can I marry my cat?
No wait.  Can I marry my Battle Flag of the Northern Virginia Army?

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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2015, 03:10:01 am »
Uh, can I marry my cat?
No wait.  Can I marry my Battle Flag of the Northern Virginia Army?

Flag?  Probably not (yet).  Cat?  Maybe in the not too distant future.

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« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2015, 03:11:21 am »
BTW, the sickos at NAMBLA must be salivating over the prospects of getting protected status for their kiddie porn predilections.  After all, if the ancient greeks practiced man/boy "love" then surely it has enough history to be covered by the S. Ct's idiotic decision.

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« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2015, 07:35:19 pm »
And away we go....

I know there are people on this forum who deny it vociferously, but removing the restriction of marriage to a man/woman twosome, removes all further restrictions eventually.

To those who deny the 'slippery slope' scenario and the evil motives of the left, all you have to do is look at what's being done at Planned Parenthood now.  They claimed it would only be first trimester, and it would be safe and rare.

Now they are butchering live babies and selling their brains and organs for profit.

The left has no boundaries, people.  There's no end to this nightmare.
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Re: Polygamous family defends union by citing same-sex marriage ruling
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2015, 08:03:19 pm »
Marriage is between humans. Sex with minors is prohibited. How is that?

(How many instances of plural wives in the Bible, and how many examples of very young wives in the Bible? I do not know.)
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« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2015, 08:12:49 pm »
Marriage is between humans. Sex with minors is prohibited. How is that?

(How many instances of plural wives in the Bible, and how many examples of very young wives in the Bible? I do not know.)

Why is sex with minors prohibited?  Because our culture says it is?  And who makes the rules, and decides they should change?

Who decided that the millennia old definition of marriage should be changed?

And why can't they decide that the prohibition of sex with minors be changed?  (Actually, in Islam it's not prohibited, so it's not too far a stretch to believe that the left will continue its cultural 'evolution' to include what is accepted in Sharia, is it?)

I think you underestimate the evil of the left....
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« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2015, 08:17:54 pm »
BTW, the sickos at NAMBLA must be salivating over the prospects of getting protected status for their kiddie porn predilections.  After all, if the ancient greeks practiced man/boy "love" then surely it has enough history to be covered by the S. Ct's idiotic decision.
That is what I have been saying for a bit now. NAMBLA drooling over this.


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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2015, 08:21:53 pm »
Uh, can I marry my cat?
No wait.  Can I marry my Battle Flag of the Northern Virginia Army?

There was a woman that married herself a few weeks back.

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« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2015, 10:56:56 am »
(How many instances of plural wives in the Bible, and how many examples of very young wives in the Bible? I do not know.)

A shitload of them. Incest makes an (approved by God) appearance as well.

Using the bible to argue for traditional marriage is not a terribly good idea.
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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2015, 01:06:15 pm »
This also opens the door for muslim men having multiple wives (children) which, I think, has been the goal along.

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« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2015, 01:29:00 pm »
A shitload of them. Incest makes an (approved by God) appearance as well.

Using the bible to argue for traditional marriage is not a terribly good idea.

Depends on if you're looking at what's recorded as historical, and what's written about what God intended.

If you understand that a lot of the historical record is about sinful people, and not about God's perfect plan, you get the picture more clearly.   Verses are frequently taken out of context and the assumption made that God approves.  It's the big picture that makes it very clear.  God made marriage to involve one man, and one woman....

That's it.
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« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2015, 01:43:43 pm »
Marriage is between humans. Sex with minors is prohibited. How is that?

(How many instances of plural wives in the Bible, and how many examples of very young wives in the Bible? I do not know.)


Generally speaking, because that's the way things have worked out better than other ways.  Not all prohibitions are bad.  Historically sex with minors was not prohibited; however, as civilization progressed, it became obvious that allowing adults unrestricted sexual access to minors was a bad thing and did a lot of harm to most minors.

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« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2015, 02:14:34 pm »
Depends on if you're looking at what's recorded as historical, and what's written about what God intended.

If you understand that a lot of the historical record is about sinful people, and not about God's perfect plan, you get the picture more clearly.   Verses are frequently taken out of context and the assumption made that God approves.  It's the big picture that makes it very clear.  God made marriage to involve one man, and one woman....

That's it.

Jacob had two wives and a concubine. Solomon had far too many wives. David had a couple. All beloved by God.  :shrug:
The Book says what the Book says, and, since it is the Word of God, we don't get to parse it.
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« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2015, 02:38:47 pm »
Jacob had two wives and a concubine. Solomon had far too many wives. David had a couple. All beloved by God.  :shrug:
The Book says what the Book says, and, since it is the Word of God, we don't get to parse it.

Again............ you're referring to the historic record when it comes to a patriarchal society, not what God designed. (see Genesis 1 -3)

David certainly did a lot worse than just having more than one wife, and God loved him dearly.

Our sins do not remove God's love from us because he forgives us.

That doesn't mean He approves.  His plan was for one woman and one man, and that is reiterated strongly in the New Testament.


btw, studying God's word to try to understand what it really means is not 'parsing' it.  It's just getting a greater understanding of what we are supposed to understand from what's said.  And it's very difficult for human brains to grasp the infinite, so sometimes we get it wrong.
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« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2015, 02:39:22 pm »
The way we are heading, eventually they are going to have to let Warren Jeffs out of jail...

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« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2015, 04:00:10 pm »
Depends on if you're looking at what's recorded as historical, and what's written about what God intended.

If you understand that a lot of the historical record is about sinful people, and not about God's perfect plan, you get the picture more clearly.   Verses are frequently taken out of context and the assumption made that God approves.  It's the big picture that makes it very clear.  God made marriage to involve one man, and one woman....

That's it.
Who or what differentiates to mere mortals what is recorded as historical, and what God intended? Pope or preacher? A particular chapter or verse?

If I was to be "Loving God for a Day" and had certain intentions, I would make things far more clear and unambiguous.

For example if I intended "one man one woman" I wouldn't have so many stories and examples to the contrary.
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« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2015, 04:15:54 pm »
Who or what differentiates to mere mortals what is recorded as historical, and what God intended? Pope or preacher? A particular chapter or verse?

If I was to be "Loving God for a Day" and had certain intentions, I would make things far more clear and unambiguous.

For example if I intended "one man one woman" I wouldn't have so many stories and examples to the contrary.

None of us would have written the Bible the way it is.  That's one of the ways we know it's really God's word.  It's beyond the scope of the human imagination, or character.  (Would the writers of the Gospel have written of their sin, fear and misbelief if they were trying to get converts on their own?  That's actually one of the proofs that it's authentic).

The fact is that there are a lot of events depicted in Scripture that are outside of the will of God.  (Think David) They are the historic record of what people did, and how they behaved.  What happened.  In fact, Solomon's excesses led to his downfall.  Abraham's taking a second 'wife' was a grievous sin.  David's polygamy was also sin.

The truth is that the much of the Old Testament is just historic record (most of Samuel, Kings, Chronicles).  It says what happened.

It's not written for our convenience and ease.  We are expected to study, and study hard to understand what it means.  That's why a casual viewing of it can lead one to believe that there are contradictions and errors.  There are not.  Just human misunderstanding.

The early church fathers divided its content into categories: the Pentateuch, Psalms (songs), Prophesy: major and minor prophets, History, the Gospels, the Epistles.  From that, or from just reading it ourselves, we can see the purpose of each section.
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Use the time God is giving us to seek His will and feel His presence.