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The Trumping of Party - Mark Steyn
« on: August 17, 2015, 03:55:19 pm »
The Trumping of Party

by Mark Steyn



Donald Trump has now said that he would reverse President Obama's executive amnesty for "DREAMers" - illegal immigrants who've been here since they were children - and deport every last member of the Undocumented-American community. The amnesty for the kids was supposed to prefigure an amnesty for their parents - for what mean old politician would advocate breaking up families? But, as he told NBC's Chuck Todd, Trump plans to keep the families together by deporting every single one of them:

    "We're going to keep the families together, but they have to go," he said in the interview, which will air in full on NBC's "Meet the Press" this Sunday.

    Pressed on what he'd do if the immigrants in question had nowhere to return to, Trump reiterated: "They have to go."

    "We will work with them. They have to go. Chuck, we either have a country, or we don't have a country."

Now there's a campaign slogan.

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But he's gone beyond that. Trump has - ta-da! - a policy paper:

    1. A nation without borders is not a nation. There must be a wall across the southern border.

    2. A nation without laws is not a nation. Laws passed in accordance with our Constitutional system of government must be enforced.

    3. A nation that does not serve its own citizens is not a nation. Any immigration plan must improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans.


In other words, as every functioning society understood until two generations ago, immigration has to benefit the people who are already here. Government owes a duty to its own citizens before those of the rest of the planet - no matter how cuddly and loveable they might be. The fact that it is necessary to state the obvious and that no "viable" "mainstream" candidate from either party is willing to state it is testament to how deformed contemporary western politics is. Trump may not be a "real" Republican or a "real" conservative, but most of his rivals are not "real" - period, as Carly Fiorina would say.

There seems to be some dispute among the consultant-industrial complex as to whether Trump's rise comes from his seizing the immigration issue or because folks are just enjoying the show - like "Breaking Bad" star Bryan Cranston:

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    "I actually like his candor," Cranston said. "There's something so refreshing about shaking up that world that is all about being handled and here comes this loose cannon who has terrible ideas and would be a horrible president, but there's something great about his 'I-don't-give-a-shit' attitude that really kind of keeps others honest."


On the other hand, when it's a subject that both parties are evasive and dishonest about, maybe the issue and the I-don't-give-a-sh*t candor are perfectly aligned.

more at:  http://www.steynonline.com/7114/the-trumping-of-party
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Re: The Trumping of Party - Mark Steyn
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2015, 03:58:40 pm »
Pressed on what he'd do if the immigrants in question had nowhere to return to, Trump reiterated: "They have to go."

Total BS of course but the crowd loves it.

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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2015, 04:01:47 pm »
Pressed on what he'd do if the immigrants in question had nowhere to return to, Trump reiterated: "They have to go."

Total BS of course but the crowd loves it.

Please explain to us exactly why the "immigrants in question [have] nowhere to return to".

They came from somewhere.  I don't give a fig if it was a street corner in Honduras.  Ship them back to the country of their origin. 
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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2015, 04:03:39 pm »
Please explain to us exactly why the "immigrants in question [have] nowhere to return to".

They came from somewhere.  I don't give a fig if it was a street corner in Honduras.  Ship them back to the country of their origin.

That's right...drop them from a helicopter if necessary.

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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2015, 04:06:25 pm »
That's right...drop them from a helicopter if necessary.

Where do you come up with this stuff?

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« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2015, 04:08:42 pm »
Where do you come up with this stuff?

What if the other country refuses to take them back?

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« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2015, 04:16:50 pm »
What if the other country refuses to take them back?

That is a rational question... I don't know the answer.. We need someone familiar with international law for that one.

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« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2015, 04:18:37 pm »
What if the other country refuses to take them back?

And on what legal grounds could they refuse them to be repatriated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repatriation

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« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2015, 04:21:39 pm »
And on what legal grounds could they refuse them to be repatriated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repatriation

They do it all the time.  Who really gives a damn about wiki's opinion of the legality of it?

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« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2015, 04:48:10 pm »
Deportation:

There is a current law/statute (not being enforced) that requires the revocation of all US visas from the offending country, if the offending nation will not accept its deported citizen back into that nation.

Badly worded.  But that's the sense of it.

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« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2015, 04:52:15 pm »
Deportation:

There is a current law/statute (not being enforced) that requires the revocation of all US visas from the offending country, if the offending nation will not accept its deported citizen back into that nation.

Badly worded.  But that's the sense of it.

One could easily imagine an opposing demagogue getting irritated with the arrogant Trump pretending to send hundreds of thousands or millions back to his country just saying "Oh no you don't and you can stick it where the sun don't shine".

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« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2015, 04:58:34 pm »
One could easily imagine an opposing demagogue getting irritated with the arrogant Trump pretending to send hundreds of thousands or millions back to his country just saying "Oh no you don't and you can stick it where the sun don't shine".

Creative thinking.  The US Marines also thought about exact circumstance at their founding (Tun's Tavern) about two hundred fifty some years ago.

You are in very good company.
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Re: The Trumping of Party - Mark Steyn
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2015, 05:23:34 pm »
What if the other country refuses to take them back?
There are places such people could easily be dumped.
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« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2015, 05:27:54 pm »
There are places such people could easily be dumped.

Like what?  Jersey?

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« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2015, 11:53:09 pm »
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as every functioning society understood until two generations ago, immigration has to benefit the people who are already here. Government owes a duty to its own citizens before those of the rest of the planet


Worth repeating.  Often.

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« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2015, 11:58:01 pm »


Worth repeating.  Often.

Yeah...Barack Obama has turned into a cat lady of sorts.  And the place is starting to get foul.
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« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2015, 12:00:11 am »
Yeah...Barack Obama has turned into a cat lady of sorts.  And the place is starting to get foul.

"Starting to"?? You are too kind.