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« Reply #50 on: August 13, 2015, 07:39:43 pm »
That's incorrect.

Political ideology is not a circle. It's a straight line.

If we accept that the core tenet of conservatism is individualism and the core tenet of socialism is collectivism  then you have to accept that the extreme manifestation of individualism in government is anarchy with the opposite extreme being communism. So then Fascism and Communism are both manifestations of differing degrees of leftist ideological governing.

Collectivism, on the other hand, is a circular model in government with both secular and moral collectivist vying for control of societal development by use of government force.

What you say is true in theory but I am only saying what I see is practice.  It is remarkable these days the similarity of the far-left and far-right in all things except guns, God and gays.

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Re: A top US general picked apart Donald Trump's ISIS policy
« Reply #51 on: August 13, 2015, 08:04:40 pm »
What you say is true in theory but I am only saying what I see is practice.  It is remarkable these days the similarity of the far-left and far-right in all things except guns, God and gays.

That's because moral collectivism now calls itself social conservatism.
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« Reply #52 on: August 13, 2015, 08:41:50 pm »
That's because moral collectivism now calls itself social conservatism.

Wow.  I'm reading a book called After Virtue, by Alasdair MacIntyre, and after I'm done, you and I will have to have a chat about this theory of yours......   **nononono*
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Re: A top US general picked apart Donald Trump's ISIS policy
« Reply #53 on: August 13, 2015, 08:50:14 pm »
Wow.  I'm reading a book called After Virtue, by Alasdair MacIntyre, and after I'm done, you and I will have to have a chat about this theory of yours......   **nononono*

I'm sure that we can, but I'd like to remind you that there are books supporting every single position on every single issue that every single individual wants to take out there.

Did I ever tell you about Jesus' and Mary's children that grew up in the South of France?

And no... I'm not talking about any books by Dan Brown. I'm talking about a manuscript dating back to 570 AD and written in Syriac that's been in storage in a British museum for 160 years.
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Re: A top US general picked apart Donald Trump's ISIS policy
« Reply #54 on: August 13, 2015, 08:55:10 pm »
I'm sure that we can, but I'd like to remind you that there are books supporting every single position on every single issue that every single individual wants to take out there.

Did I ever tell you about Jesus' and Mary's children that grew up in the South of France?

And no... I'm not talking about any books by Dan Brown. I'm talking about a manuscript dating back to 570 AD and written in Syriac that's been in storage in a British museum for 160 years.

Perhaps there are books to support all POV's, but not all are based on sound philosophical reason, logic and historic data as this one is.

Besides which, his intellectual thesis is backed up by decades of real life observation by a very bright woman.   ^-^
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Re: A top US general picked apart Donald Trump's ISIS policy
« Reply #55 on: August 13, 2015, 09:22:50 pm »
Perhaps there are books to support all POV's, but not all are based on sound philosophical reason, logic and historic data as this one is.

Besides which, his intellectual thesis is backed up by decades of real life observation by a very bright woman.   ^-^

You read Oprah?

Who knew!

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Re: A top US general picked apart Donald Trump's ISIS policy
« Reply #56 on: August 13, 2015, 09:34:45 pm »
I'm merely saying that if Trump is the GOP Nominee, I'll gladly vote for him.

If he runs as a 3rd party, and he dwarfs the GOP Nominee in ALL the major polls that I trust (which I'd be hard pressed to name even one), I'd have to consider it.

I'm not voting for another 'Nice Guy'.  I'm not voting for 'Decent'.   At this point, I'm not even voting for 'Moral'.

I'm looking for somebody to kick a$$ and take names.

Washington is a cesspool. 

Was thinking today, that any college graduate from 2008 to the present has already 'lost' a great deal of their career potential.

They've been weaned on accepting a lower quality of life and earning power.  That's a huge part of the millennial generation.

Back in the days following the attack on Pearl Harbor, people from all stripes came together and participated in making the USA a great super power.  A Phoenix out of the ashes of the Great Depression.

I'd fully expect that to happen very quickly AGAIN if the right business-minded person gets to occupy the White House.

Trump displays a sense of urgency.  Name one other GOP candidate that has his drive, flair.

Truth is, they all put me to sleep.

We are of like mind, my friend.

If one has already formed an opinion of Trump and it's negative, nothing anyone can say will change their mind.

I however don't believe Trump has ulterior motives or that he's disingenuous. I think he has a real love of country and a deep concern for the direction America is going.

Obama is a socialist. Trump is not. If you want to fret about something I suppose Trump's a social liberal. But, on most other issues he's conservative or libertarian.


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Re: A top US general picked apart Donald Trump's ISIS policy
« Reply #57 on: August 13, 2015, 09:57:20 pm »
We are of like mind, my friend.

If one has already formed an opinion of Trump and it's negative, nothing anyone can say will change their mind.

I however don't believe Trump has ulterior motives or that he's disingenuous. I think he has a real love of country and a deep concern for the direction America is going.

Obama is a socialist. Trump is not. If you want to fret about something I suppose Trump's a social liberal. But, on most other issues he's conservative or libertarian.

I certainly feel we have some much more qualified and experienced candidates than Trump.  I'm not so sure yet whether or not he has ulterior motives; that remains to be seen. He is not a politician and has no voting record, therefore it becomes more difficult to assess him and its very early in the game.
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Re: A top US general picked apart Donald Trump's ISIS policy
« Reply #58 on: August 13, 2015, 09:59:19 pm »
We are of like mind, my friend.

If one has already formed an opinion of Trump and it's negative, nothing anyone can say will change their mind.

I however don't believe Trump has ulterior motives or that he's disingenuous. I think he has a real love of country and a deep concern for the direction America is going.

Obama is a socialist. Trump is not. If you want to fret about something I suppose Trump's a social liberal. But, on most other issues he's conservative or libertarian.

He's not libertarian on any issue I can think of other than the social issues.

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Re: A top US general picked apart Donald Trump's ISIS policy
« Reply #59 on: August 13, 2015, 10:33:21 pm »
We are of like mind, my friend.

If one has already formed an opinion of Trump and it's negative, nothing anyone can say will change their mind.

I however don't believe Trump has ulterior motives or that he's disingenuous. I think he has a real love of country and a deep concern for the direction America is going.

Obama is a socialist. Trump is not. If you want to fret about something I suppose Trump's a social liberal. But, on most other issues he's conservative or libertarian.

Some of us have negative opinions based on things Trump says and does.  You're right in that no one here can change our minds.

There's too much of a personal record for that to occur.  Too many words he's said.  Too much proof in the pudding, as it were........

Besides which, the defense of Trump I have seen everywhere is based on pure emotion.  Anger.  Getting back.

That's no way to choose a nominee.  Democrats may do that, but we're supposed to be the thinking half of the country.

Thinking has gone out the window when it comes to those who support Trump.

« Last Edit: August 13, 2015, 10:34:56 pm by musiclady »
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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« Reply #60 on: August 13, 2015, 10:39:30 pm »
Some of us have negative opinions based on things Trump says and does.  You're right in that no one here can change our minds.

There's too much of a personal record for that to occur.  Too many words he's said.  Too much proof in the pudding, as it were........

Besides which, the defense of Trump I have seen everywhere is based on pure emotion.  Anger.  Getting back.

That's no way to choose a nominee.  Democrats may do that, but we're supposed to be the thinking half of the country.

Thinking has gone out the window when it comes to those who support Trump.

Trump doesn't walk like a duck, talk like a duck, or act like a duck.  Why should I assume he's a duck?

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Re: A top US general picked apart Donald Trump's ISIS policy
« Reply #61 on: August 13, 2015, 10:44:39 pm »
You read Oprah?

Who knew!

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Actually, this is an actual philosophy book, where you have to turn pages.

Not just a cutesie pseudo-philosophical website where you can copy and paste and pretend you know something about logic, n stuff.  :smokin:
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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Re: A top US general picked apart Donald Trump's ISIS policy
« Reply #62 on: August 13, 2015, 11:06:43 pm »
Because skyscrapers don't just spring up on their own. Because solving the hundreds of legal/governmental issues and the inevitable thousands of obstacles that crop up in completing a Trump skyscraper is the responsibility of just one person: Donald Trump. He has a history of getting the job done. He's a doer.


Working with local Government is one thing, how is going to get things done with resorting to executive action??
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Re: A top US general picked apart Donald Trump's ISIS policy
« Reply #63 on: August 13, 2015, 11:27:37 pm »
Some of us have negative opinions based on things Trump says and does.  You're right in that no one here can change our minds.

There's too much of a personal record for that to occur.  Too many words he's said.  Too much proof in the pudding, as it were........

Besides which, the defense of Trump I have seen everywhere is based on pure emotion.  Anger.  Getting back.

That's no way to choose a nominee.  Democrats may do that, but we're supposed to be the thinking half of the country.

Thinking has gone out the window when it comes to those who support Trump.

Exactly.  :beer:
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Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

"Sometimes I think the Church would be better off if we would call a moratorium on activity for about six weeks and just wait on God to see what He is waiting to do for us. That's what they did before Pentecost."   - A. W. Tozer

Use the time God is giving us to seek His will and feel His presence.

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Re: A top US general picked apart Donald Trump's ISIS policy
« Reply #65 on: August 14, 2015, 12:33:37 am »
Because skyscrapers don't just spring up on their own. Because solving the hundreds of legal/governmental issues and the inevitable thousands of obstacles that crop up in completing a Trump skyscraper is the responsibility of just one person: Donald Trump. He has a history of getting the job done. He's a doer.

That's about as far from the truth as anything posted about Trump anywhere.

The IDEA of building a skyscraper is Trump's, the responsibility of making that idea come to fruition is a whole lot of people's EXCEPT Trump.

I work for a billion plus dollars a year company. The owner (private company) has an idea (this year he bought a competitor out)  and he tells his Executive staff what it is that he wants to do. His executive staff then goes about constructing the merger.

The CFO deals with the banking and financing aspects, the COO deals with the operational aspects of merging the day to day operations aspect of the two companies, The CIO deals with merging the information technology aspects  of the new company with the new, the Director of Human Resources makes personnel decisions, the Director of Purchasing merges the procurement aspect of the two companies, etc, etc, etc, all the way down to middle management, the street grunts, the customer service reps and drivers that make sure that the transition goes smoothly.

Justy as no man is an island, no man can build one either.

This notion that one man has the power to set this country straight will eventually lead us to totalitarianism.

Trump "gets things done" because he's basically a despot in his companies.

He can't do that as POTUS.
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« Reply #66 on: August 14, 2015, 12:56:25 am »
That's about as far from the truth as anything posted about Trump anywhere.

The IDEA of building a skyscraper is Trump's, the responsibility of making that idea come to fruition is a whole lot of people's EXCEPT Trump.

I work for a billion plus dollars a year company. The owner (private company) has an idea (this year he bought a competitor out)  and he tells his Executive staff what it is that he wants to do. His executive staff then goes about constructing the merger.

The CFO deals with the banking and financing aspects, the COO deals with the operational aspects of merging the day to day operations aspect of the two companies, The CIO deals with merging the information technology aspects  of the new company with the new, the Director of Human Resources makes personnel decisions, the Director of Purchasing merges the procurement aspect of the two companies, etc, etc, etc, all the way down to middle management, the street grunts, the customer service reps and drivers that make sure that the transition goes smoothly.

Justy as no man is an island, no man can build one either.

This notion that one man has the power to set this country straight will eventually lead us to totalitarianism.

Trump "gets things done" because he's basically a despot in his companies.

He can't do that as POTUS.
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Re: A top US general picked apart Donald Trump's ISIS policy
« Reply #67 on: August 14, 2015, 01:41:47 am »
IMHO, the premise of your question is flawed.

You seem to believe that an individual will solve all our problems, and that individual is the titulart head of the government, which (in essence) means that government is the solution to our problems.

Government is the problem.


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Re: A top US general picked apart Donald Trump's ISIS policy
« Reply #68 on: August 14, 2015, 01:52:42 am »
I'm a outspoken critic of abortion.  Also, think it's outrageous that fetal organs and tissue are sold as commodities.

But, we can't expect to outlaw that.  However, it's the funding of such activities by any government that is truly despicable.

He indicated that he would not allow that.  But he's not going to go on record 1-1/3 years out alienating women claiming that PP needs to be shut down entirely.

So instead of telling the truth, Trump will say anything to win votes.  How principled! 

He's gonna fit in great with the GOPe.

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« Reply #69 on: August 14, 2015, 02:46:05 am »
So instead of telling the truth, Trump will say anything to win votes.  How principled! 

He's gonna fit in great with the GOPe.

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« Reply #70 on: August 14, 2015, 03:30:59 am »
Rest assured one thing, if I had a policy on how I was going to handle ISIS, I wouldn't telegraph it to ISIS.
I would however tell them my goal...To wipe out every one of you mthrfkrs.
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« Reply #71 on: August 14, 2015, 04:30:53 am »
:shrug:
I wasn't sure if the shrug emoticon was for me or not so I'll expound.  Trump has said he is pro-life.  He says he is disgusted with PP's Cash-4-Baby Cadaver exchange...yet he is unwilling to "do what is right" and end taxpayer support for PP.  He has made a political calculation that he will lose women voters.

This is the kind of strategy that the GOPe gets called on everyday.

I hope that is clearer, but I got only 4 hours sleep last night...so I'm not sure I'm following my own thinking. 
Probably shouldn't be posting.
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Re: A top US general picked apart Donald Trump's ISIS policy
« Reply #72 on: August 14, 2015, 04:31:54 am »
I wasn't sure if the shrug emoticon was for me or not so I'll expound.  Trump has said he is pro-life.  He says he is disgusted with PP's Cash-4-Baby Cadaver exchange...yet he is unwilling to "do what is right" and end taxpayer support for PP.  He has made a political calculation that he will lose women voters.

This is the kind of strategy that the GOPe gets called on everyday.

I hope that is clearer, but I got only 4 hours sleep last night...so I'm not sure I'm following my own thinking. 
Probably shouldn't be posting.
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« Reply #73 on: August 14, 2015, 05:09:54 am »
The further one moves right the closer one gets to the left.  DC is moving into Bernie Sanders territory.  It's not a straight line left to right.  It's a circle.

What utter nonsense. The fact this poster promotes such an erroneous notion helps explain why his political acumen is so primitive.

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« Reply #74 on: August 14, 2015, 06:03:18 am »
And if you extend the arrow head lines down (or up) they meet under (or above) Centerist. The inhabitants of this point are referred to as bleeping lunatics.
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