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Camille Paglia: John Kasich Won the Debate (Guest Column)
« on: August 08, 2015, 04:20:02 am »
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/camille-paglia-john-kasich-won-813657

The crowded GOP debate ended on Thursday and the analysis is coming thick and fast. The Hollywood Reporter asked noted social critic and author Camille Paglia for her thoughts on the debate and she didn't disappoint.

Dear Hollywood Reporter,

Ten GOP candidates turned up for the presidential audition tonight at Cleveland's Quicken Loans Arena. They need some work. Where's Max Factor and Sydney Guilaroff when you need them? Here's my report.

Best,
Camille

Donald Trump

What's with the carpet-bombing Don Rickles routine? Does Trump have any facial expression beyond knotted, squinting scowl? It's a strain even to look at him. The entire debate begins with Trump getting booed for refusing to rule out a third-party bid. He has a slashing, entertaining wit, but his braggart narcissism is on painful display. He speaks in simplistic polarities of "winners" versus "losers," as if geopolitics were a jangling Atlantic City casino. He sets high goals but lacks real answers to any government issue. Trump is a Trojan Horse sent by the crafty Clinton machine. He has a bellyful of swords aimed at GOP hearts.

Jeb Bush

Is there a blander, more boring personality in American politics? The guy looks like the runny yolk of a fried egg. He's trying to be assertive tonight because he's been told he needs to project "passion." But when his lips move, there's still a big blank. Why the heck the major media hails him as the GOP frontrunner is beyond comprehension — except that big money has been showering down on him like powdered sugar on a donut. Why do Jeb's smiles remind me of a dimply grandmother? He could and should have been a high school principal. I don't see him on the world stage, holding the line against ISIS.

Ben Carson

What is this brilliant brain surgeon doing in the political arena? He seems like a cordial, genial, thoughtful fellow, but he's shy and diffident and seriously out of place in this pugilistic forum. Not only is he uncomfortable in the harsh spotlight, but he has arrived strikingly ill-prepared with positioning on major policy issues. At the end, he lands some sharp blows on Hillary Clinton, but overall he did not distinguish himself enough from the other candidates, nor did he even demonstrate much interest in the mechanics of governance.

Chris Christie

A refreshing flow of specifics from a hands-on governor, but Christie will never fly as presidential material. He has a braying, jabbering manner like an old-style big-city mayor of the Fiorello La Guardia era. There's something too baby-like about him. I was thinking Fatty Arbuckle? John Belushi? Under the bravado there's a hint of chaos. Maybe it's the mismatch between his ski-jump nose (not what he had in high school) and those bouncy plump lips. Anyhow, aside from his disqualifying history of thuggish behavior, Christie is too Northeastern provincial for nationwide appeal.

Marco Rubio

What a nice, bright, earnest young man! When he graduates from the college debating team, he will have a rosy future! Oh, er, he's 44 years old? Computer crash! Rubio is very smooth but also oddly slick. He seems caught in a time warp of self-stunted maturation, a son shying away from the Olympus of father-gods. Sorry, but this won't work in the White House. Try again in a decade or two?

Mike Huckabee

Very forceful when he calls for the abolition of bloated government agencies or asserts the "personhood" of the fetus, but everything else is rote, memorized, formulaic, even his gestures. Huckabee seems like a survivor from the Bob Hope or Art Linkletter era of TV pitchman. He's like a retro character actor you've seen in a hundred movies but whose name you can't remember. Despite his physical robustness, there's something unreal or porous about him. Voters must have a sixth sense for Huckabee's artificiality, because his presidential bids have always floundered.

Rand Paul

What a disaster! This was probably the worst debate performance in recent memory. I agree with most of Rand Paul's libertarian principles, but he certainly did them no favor tonight. He seemed surly, seething and discourteous from start to finish — like a petulant schoolboy kept after class. There was not an iota of presidential promise or gravitas. Who would want this squirming urchin as the nation's representative at an international summit? And what bizarre self-presentation — the overlarge Peter Pan collar and tie, the disorderly forehead locks, the unshaven cheeks and what sure looked like white highlighting under plucked brows. Caligula, anyone?

Ted Cruz

Way, way too much subtext. Big, strange-looking guy with an almost womanly face. Whip smart but on a monomaniacal mission for world salvation. Announces, to great applause, that his No. 1 attribute is he "will always tell the truth." Red alert: a bruiser of a politician who thinks he has a corner on truth. Cruz's expression is habitually close to a sneer, which he offsets with pleading, faux puppy-dog eyebrows. He knows history and military affairs, but he's no negotiator — he's a General Patton prima donna.

Scott Walker

Underwhelming tonight. Comes off as cheerful and upbeat, like a pleasant sitcom dad. A strong closing statement but seemed recessive and noncompetitive for most of the debate. Was classy and gracious (unlike the fidgety, self-absorbed Rand Paul) in turning respectfully toward Ben Carson as he spoke, but seemed to opt out from the general strife. Perhaps overconcerned with his reputation as a union-busting flame-thrower, Walker tried to be reassuring and just seemed limited and repetitious. A junior spectator, not a national leader.

John Kasich

Buoyed by the crowd's enthusiastic support of his tenure as governor of Ohio, Kasich came on strong in the debate. His brusque, animated gestures are awkward but manlike in a solid, old-fashioned way. Kasich is a genuine populist with working-class family ties. He made the Princeton-educated Cruz look effete tonight. Kasich was full of specifics about his congressional experience on the armed services and budget committees. I think he won the debate. Kasich is a mensch in a party of parakeets.

Carly Fiorina

Midway through the event, Fox News inserted a clip of Fiorina at the earlier debate of candidates who hadn't made the cut. For a surreal moment, I thought it was Dustin Hoffman in drag in Tootsie — it was exactly the same lilting Heartland accent. There is universal agreement that Fiorina won her debate hands down. Let's hope she is automatically promoted to the big league at the next GOP debate. Throw the male duds overboard!

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Re: Camille Paglia: John Kasich Won the Debate (Guest Column)
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2015, 04:44:14 am »
I usually enjoy Paglia's writing, but I think she is way off here. 

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Re: Camille Paglia: John Kasich Won the Debate (Guest Column)
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2015, 05:05:38 am »
I usually enjoy Paglia's writing, but I think she is way off here.

I read Sexual Personae back in the 90's after Rush raved about her.  I can't remember any of it.  I also think Paglia is unfairly harsh on our candidate.  I was a little shocked how much I seem to agree with most of the commentators on this forum regarding the debate.  I thought the column was interesting because I doesn't fit with my own perceptions of the debate.

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Re: Camille Paglia: John Kasich Won the Debate (Guest Column)
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2015, 05:54:57 am »
I read Sexual Personae back in the 90's after Rush raved about her.  I can't remember any of it.  I also think Paglia is unfairly harsh on our candidate.  I was a little shocked how much I seem to agree with most of the commentators on this forum regarding the debate.  I thought the column was interesting because I doesn't fit with my own perceptions of the debate.

I've admired her in the past because she is not afraid to criticize those in her own party.  I think she went off the rails here with so much focus on the candidate's physical appearance and not so much on what they were actually saying.

I guess I'm in the minority here, in that I didn't think it was the greatest debate I've ever seen.  Maybe in terms of it's sensationalism.  Clearly, a great many people tuned in to watch Donald Trump - so Fox should be grateful to him for that.  I doubt they would have gotten such a large audience without him. 

I'm tired of "debates" where biased moderators set out with gotcha questions on those candidates they don't like.  I don't like it when other networks do it & I don't like it when Fox does it.  I think Kelly's question directed at Ted Cruz as to whether God "speaks" to him was presented in a sneering way.  It was offensive to me.  Chris Wallace makes me want to vomit.  I thought the earlier debate was by far the better one.     

But, I've gotten off-topic.  I was hoping for more objectivity on the content of the candidate's answers, instead of a catty fashion review from Camille Paglia. 

 
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Re: Camille Paglia: John Kasich Won the Debate (Guest Column)
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2015, 06:23:53 am »
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I guess I'm in the minority here, in that I didn't think it was the greatest debate I've ever seen

I agree with you, but I really didn't expect given the number of participants and the time limits.
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Re: Camille Paglia: John Kasich Won the Debate (Guest Column)
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2015, 08:01:37 am »
I've admired her in the past because she is not afraid to criticize those in her own party.  I think she went off the rails here with so much focus on the candidate's physical appearance and not so much on what they were actually saying.

Sadly a lot of voters judge on appearance.  For some it is the only thing they judge.

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I guess I'm in the minority here, in that I didn't think it was the greatest debate I've ever seen.  Maybe in terms of it's sensationalism.  Clearly, a great many people tuned in to watch Donald Trump - so Fox should be grateful to him for that.  I doubt they would have gotten such a large audience without him. 

I'm tired of "debates" where biased moderators set out with gotcha questions on those candidates they don't like.  I don't like it when other networks do it & I don't like it when Fox does it.  I think Kelly's question directed at Ted Cruz as to whether God "speaks" to him was presented in a sneering way.  It was offensive to me.  Chris Wallace makes me want to vomit.  I thought the earlier debate was by far the better one.
That's interesting.  I thought Kelly's question elicited an excellent response from Cruz.  It was one the few times he really shined.  Much better than his response to, what should have been a softball question from Wallace, "How are you going to lead when you're so divisive?" Cruz responded "If you're looking for someone to go to Washington, to go along to get along, to agree with the career politicians in both parties who get in bed with the lobbyists and special interests, then I ain't your guy."

Nobody is looking for that politician.  Cruz might as well have said he was against crime and for education too. 

Sometimes the tougher questions are an bigger opportunity.  I also thought Governor Walker gave a great response to Kelly's (actually it was a question from a facebook poster) God question.

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But, I've gotten off-topic.  I was hoping for more objectivity on the content of the candidate's answers, instead of a catty fashion review from Camille Paglia. 

Thank you for your reply

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« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2015, 02:03:48 pm »
Sadly a lot of voters judge on appearance.  For some it is the only thing they judge.
That's interesting.  I thought Kelly's question elicited an excellent response from Cruz.  It was one the few times he really shined.  Much better than his response to, what should have been a softball question from Wallace, "How are you going to lead when you're so divisive?" Cruz responded "If you're looking for someone to go to Washington, to go along to get along, to agree with the career politicians in both parties who get in bed with the lobbyists and special interests, then I ain't your guy."

Nobody is looking for that politician.  Cruz might as well have said he was against crime and for education too. 

Sometimes the tougher questions are an bigger opportunity.  I also thought Governor Walker gave a great response to Kelly's (actually it was a question from a facebook poster) God question.

Thank you for your reply

I think your insights are completely correct Once-ler - and it was Ted Cruz's best answer of the evening - Walker too.  I was referring more to Megyn Kelly and her snarky question. 

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