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Senate Votes to Revive Export-Import Bank, Keep Obamacare (Updated)

By Niels Lesniewski   Posted at 4:12 p.m. today

Updated 4:57 p.m. | In a pair of losses for conservatives, the Senate voted overwhelmingly Sunday to revive the Export-Import Bank while failing to overcome a filibuster of an attempt to repeal Obamacare — with more fireworks to come.

The rare Sunday votes set the stage for the Senate to send a long-term highway bill tied to the Ex-Im Bank to the House later this week, but not before facing other gambits by conservatives, including a procedural vote forced by Sen. Ted Cruz regarding the Iran deal and an effort to deploy a maneuver akin to the “nuclear option.”

The Senate quickly adjourned for the night after holding the series of votes. The Obamacare repeal failed 49-43, well shy of the 60 votes needed to overcome a filibuster and attach the repeal to the bill aimed at avoiding a highway program shutdown at the end of July.

A bipartisan coalition then beat back a filibuster of the Export-Import Bank amendment proposed by Sen. Mark S. Kirk, R-Ill., on a 67-26 vote. Neither vote was a surprise.

Cruz’s Iran sanctions amendment was the next order of business, but his maneuver was quickly shot down.

In the aftermath of his floor speech Friday accusing Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., of telling a “simple lie,” the Republican presidential hopeful set up a procedural vote on whether he should be allowed to offer an amendment to the highway bill to bar sanctions relief for Iran until the country releases Americans and recognizes Israel as a Jewish state.



Procedurally, Cruz sought to offer a third-degree amendment — something barred by longstanding Senate precedent. Allowing such amendments would upend the prerogative of the majority leader to control the flow of debate through the process known as filling the amendment tree.

Cruz’s effort failed on a voice vote after being unable to secure a “sufficient second” for a roll call vote (requiring the backing of 11 senators). Cruz’s frequent ally, Sen. Mike Lee of Utah, saw a similar rejection on an amendment that would block funding for Planned Parenthood.

Lee also wants to go a step further. He has a proposal for a vote on an Obamacare repeal would doom the highway bill — and take a big step toward subjecting the Senate to majority rule through the use of a nuclear option.

The Utah Republican said Friday the Senate will have an opportunity to add the repeal of the Affordable Care Act to the Export-Import Bank amendment with a simple majority.

“The first Obamacare vote on Sunday will have a 60 vote threshold, and Democrats will likely block it,” Lee said in a statement. “But thanks to the sequencing of the votes we just locked in, Republicans will have the opportunity resurrect that Obamacare amendment later on in the process, and put it back before the Senate in a manner that only requires a simple-majority vote.”

But making that move would require a declaration by senators that the full repeal is “germane,” a simple-majority vote that would end the longstanding practice of construing the germaneness of amendments in the narrowest terms when the Senate has already invoked cloture cutting off filibusters.

If Cruz and Lee had both prevailed on their respective procedural maneuvers, there could be virtually unlimited amendments considered with simple majority thresholds. That’s a situation akin to what happens during annual debate on budget resolutions, which is also known as the “vote-a-rama.”

Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn., warned against his colleagues setting the new precedent on amendments envisioned by Cruz, saying doing so would “destroy regular order in the Senate. It would create chaos in the Senate.”

“If [Cruz] succeeds, it will destroy a crucial part of what we call the regular order in the United States Senate. He will create a precedent that destroys the orderly consideration of amendments. There will be unlimited amendments. there will be chaos,” Alexander said. “Ironically, while destroying regular order, he wouldn’t get the vote on the Iran amendment that he seeks. That’s because if he overrules the chair, the Senate leaders have a right to offer an amendment to fill that new branch of the tree before he does.”

If either effort passed, it would likely torpedo the underlying highway bill, which is a compromise product worked out between McConnell and Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif.

There would still be another cloture vote on the underlying bill itself, and Democrats could be expected to oppose it. In order to pass the bill at that point, Republicans would have to go full-nuclear and eliminate the 60-vote threshold for cloture.

Cruz, for one, has been on the record since at least January in opposition to ending filibusters, even to roll back the Affordable Care Act.
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Re: Senate Votes to Revive Export-Import Bank, Keep Obamacare (Updated)
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2015, 09:29:49 pm »
Keeping Obamacare is not a real vote but a fruitless attempt.  It needs 61 votes in the Senate to succeed and there was no way that number is going to happen with the RINOGOP in charge, 51 and Obama veto's  it and back to the drawing board, Cruz pointed that out this week when Reid decided he would put it up fpr a vote. We all know McConnell is the supossely leader but Reid still runs the show and McConnell needs his approval before anything. Same in the HOUSE Nancy P stills runs the show with Booner just window dressing .

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« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2015, 09:34:34 pm »
Keeping Obamacare is not a real vote but a fruitless attempt.  It needs 61 votes in the Senate to succeed and there was no way that number is going to happen with the RINOGOP in charge, 51 and Obama veto's  it and back to the drawing board, Cruz pointed that out this week when Reid decided he would put it up fpr a vote. We all know McConnell is the supossely leader but Reid still runs the show and McConnell needs his approval before anything. Same in the HOUSE Nancy P stills runs the show with Booner just window dressing .

Makes you wonder why it was so important to get republican control of the house and senate.... why bother voting if the dems are always going to call the shots.

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Re: Senate Votes to Revive Export-Import Bank, Keep Obamacare (Updated)
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2015, 09:36:11 pm »
Cruz's perfect record of failure is still intact.

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« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2015, 09:38:48 pm »
Keeping Obamacare is not a real vote but a fruitless attempt.  It needs 61 votes in the Senate to succeed and there was no way that number is going to happen with the RINOGOP in charge, 51 and Obama veto's  it and back to the drawing board, Cruz pointed that out this week when Reid decided he would put it up fpr a vote. We all know McConnell is the supossely leader but Reid still runs the show and McConnell needs his approval before anything. Same in the HOUSE Nancy P stills runs the show with Booner just window dressing .

Why are you even here? I suppose you'd prefer the Dems to be in charge again. McConnell "ran the show" in the previous two years, as the minority can always filibuster any bill. And McConnell filibustered most of them. Reid got very little done.

As to Pelosi running the House, that's just ludicrous. Boehner introduces bills and occasionally has to pull them cuz the far right conservatives seem to want to kill them.  Let's see if the Highway Bill passes with Ex-Im bank in it in the House. I'm doubtful.
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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2015, 09:40:17 pm »
Makes you wonder why it was so important to get republican control of the house and senate.... why bother voting if the dems are always going to call the shots.

The minority party can always call the shots  in the Senate without 61 Senators. The minority prevails with the filibuster.
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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2015, 09:41:54 pm »
Cruz's perfect record of failure is still intact.

Ted Cruz is nothing but a bombthrower. He can persuade only a handful of Senators (mostly Lee and Paul), and his proposals are laughed at by even the majority in his own party. He's not about getting anything done.

He's about obstructing and getting attention.
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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2015, 09:49:17 pm »
no, he's about exposing what the real dynamics are in the senate with the GOP often complicit depite what they say and campaign on

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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2015, 09:58:25 pm »
Ted Cruz is nothing but a bombthrower. He can persuade only a handful of Senators (mostly Lee and Paul), and his proposals are laughed at by even the majority in his own party. He's not about getting anything done.

He's about obstructing and getting attention.
No. He's about standing for Constitutional principles when both Democrats and Republican leaders are about raping taxpayers and sending the bill to our children.  The EX-IM Bank is about enriching Boeing and a small handful of companies that evade competition by obtaining taxpayer-funded loan guarantees via naked political power. And as for Obamacare - if you think it's bad now, wait till the real thing kicks in. But don't pretend that Mitch McConnell will ever lift a finger to stop it. He's a corrupt piece of crap who rules the Senate just like Harry Reid once did, with one small difference. Harry Reid was an effective crook.     
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Re: Senate Votes to Revive Export-Import Bank, Keep Obamacare (Updated)
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2015, 10:05:10 pm »
No. He's about standing for Constitutional principles when both Democrats and Republican leaders are about raping taxpayers and sending the bill to our children.  The EX-IM Bank is about enriching Boeing and a small handful of companies that evade competition by obtaining taxpayer-funded loan guarantees via naked political power. And as for Obamacare - if you think it's bad now, wait till the real thing kicks in. But don't pretend that Mitch McConnell will ever lift a finger to stop it. He's a corrupt piece of crap who rules the Senate just like Harry Reid once did, with one small difference. Harry Reid was an effective crook.     

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Re: Senate Votes to Revive Export-Import Bank, Keep Obamacare (Updated)
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2015, 10:26:50 pm »
A whole lot of Americans work for Boeing. In each community where Boeing operates, they are members of the Chambers of Commerce.

I don't see Cruz taking steps to place a bunch of Texans on the unemployment rolls, but I can't say that with regard to his position on Exim, Boeing, and other states.

Hence he stands firm at 5%, hoping a few crumbs drop of Donald Trump's table.
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« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2015, 10:37:31 pm »
A whole lot of americans benefit from cheap vegetables. That doesn't mean the gov't should subsidize cheap labor

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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2015, 10:49:42 pm »
Keeping Obamacare is not a real vote but a fruitless attempt.  It needs 61 votes in the Senate to succeed and there was no way that number is going to happen with the RINOGOP in charge, 51 and Obama veto's  it and back to the drawing board, Cruz pointed that out this week when Reid decided he would put it up fpr a vote. We all know McConnell is the supossely leader but Reid still runs the show and McConnell needs his approval before anything. Same in the HOUSE Nancy P stills runs the show with Booner just window dressing .

So why don't you and the rest of America vote for those who are from the tea parties and who want membership in the Republican Study Group, the most conservative group in Congress? 

As for the Obamacare vote.  Cruz can't lose on this issue.  If no vote is scheduled it's because of the "RINOs"; if a vote is scheduled and taken and can't pass 60 votes it's because of the "RINOs".  Cruz joins with Bernie Sanders to go after corporations and their money.  Maybe we should vote for Bernie.  So vote the "RINOs"  out.  In 2012 though, many moderates and conservatives in the GOP won over tea party candidates.  Why?

Nancy P. running the House? 
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« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2015, 12:08:26 am »
no, he's about exposing what the real dynamics are in the senate with the GOP often complicit depite what they say and campaign on

Yes. Only Ted Cruz cares about the American people. Every other elected GOP Senator is only out for himself.

And because Ted's run for the presidency has nothing to do with self-aggrandizement, he must be doing it purely out of love of his fellow countrymen.

All of the above is bullshit, of course. If anybody is out for himself, it's Ted Cruz.
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« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2015, 12:16:56 am »
Keeping Obamacare is not a real vote but a fruitless attempt.  It needs 61 votes in the Senate to succeed and there was no way that number is going to happen with the RINOGOP in charge, 51 and Obama veto's  it and back to the drawing board, Cruz pointed that out this week when Reid decided he would put it up fpr a vote. We all know McConnell is the supossely leader but Reid still runs the show and McConnell needs his approval before anything. Same in the HOUSE Nancy P stills runs the show with Booner just window dressing .

There are not enough Republicans period.  If every single one of them voted the way you want it would be vetoed and that's that.

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« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2015, 01:03:43 am »
Yes. Only Ted Cruz cares about the American people. Every other elected GOP Senator is only out for himself.

And because Ted's run for the presidency has nothing to do with self-aggrandizement, he must be doing it purely out of love of his fellow countrymen.

All of the above is bullshit, of course. If anybody is out for himself, it's Ted Cruz.
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« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2015, 01:06:36 am »
Ex-Im bank is nothing more than crony welfarism and the party that claims to want to rein in entitlement spending should not be fostering Ex-Im.

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« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2015, 01:08:16 am »
  In 2012 though, many moderates and conservatives in the GOP won over tea party candidates.  Why?



Same reason zero won two presidential elections

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« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2015, 01:12:17 am »
Ex-Im bank is nothing more than crony welfarism and the party that claims to want to rein in entitlement spending should not be fostering Ex-Im.


That would be both parties of course.

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« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2015, 01:15:55 am »
Yes. Only Ted Cruz cares about the American people. Every other elected GOP Senator is only out for himself.


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« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2015, 01:18:35 am »
Same reason zero won two presidential elections

Only the right wing has any political savvy? 
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« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2015, 01:21:46 am »
Only the right wing has any political savvy? 


Now you've gone and done it!  Made me snort hot coffee all over my keyboard!

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« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2015, 01:27:48 am »
Ted Cruz is nothing but a bombthrower. He can persuade only a handful of Senators (mostly Lee and Paul), and his proposals are laughed at by even the majority in his own party. He's not about getting anything done.

He's about obstructing and getting attention.

No. Cruz is about doing what is right for the country and adhering to the Constitution.  You are correct in he can only persuade a handful of Senators ... because we only have a handful of Senators left that are conservative and worth a damn.  The others are RINO's and DEMS.   
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No. Cruz is about doing what is right for the country and adhering to the Constitution.  You are correct in he can only persuade a handful of Senators ... because we only have a handful of Senators left that are conservative and worth a damn.  The others are RINO's and DEMS.

Queue up "Battle Hymn of the Republic".  Sorry..guess I'm cynical but I think it's much more complicated than that.

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Now you've gone and done it!  Made me snort hot coffee all over my keyboard!

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Heh.  Ya gotta take this seriously Ocean... :laugh:
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