Ann Coulter: Donald Trump can win White House as Republican or third-party candidate

[Formerly Once-Ler]

And when exactly did I say that, Once-Ler. Show me the quote.

If you had doubts that Trump may be a rat spoiler to elect a rat as President then I wonder at some of the things you have written in support of Trump's jihad on the GOP establishment.

I'll take you at your word if you tell me you are open to the possibility that Trump, who had the Clintons at his 3rd and last wedding, might be pulling a fast one.

Luis, as usual, did a much better response to your fantasy about the posters here.

I think their are some brilliant contributors at this forum, and I'm proud to say I took part in our discussions, but nobody is going to spend time trolling here.  We just don't get enough hits make the kind of impact of other forums and news sources.

But I think that is indicative of the far right conservative mindset.  They know they are right and everybody else is wrong and everybody who disagrees with them is an evil RINO...which is just as bad as a socialist...in fact the socialist is better because at least he tells you he is going to bend you over six ways till Sunday, but the RINO will lie to your face then stab you in the back.

I'm not trying to put words in your mouth Paladin, but those are things I have read from the far right.  I know you didn't say the words I wrote, and I hope you don't think I'm a rat plant.  I hope you don't think I spend my time here secretly trying to make the rat party look like a better choice than the GOP.  And I hope you don't think I'm evil.

I don't think you are evil or trolling, I just think you are wrong about Trump.

I know you are someone who loves your country and wants what you think is best.  You feel so strongly about the issues that you are compelled to share your feelings.

We have much in common. 





 

[Luis Gonzalez]

And when exactly did I say that, Once-Ler. Show me the quote.

As for all this:  and yada, yada, yada, and so on and so forth ad nauseam. The lad doth protest too much, methinks.

Coming from the lad who filed the original protest that's rich as Hell.

I really love this forum, and some of the people in it, but I don't have some overtly imagined idea of it to aggrandize its worth to a degree that "'rat" operatives would find it worth their while to spend time in it subverting a bunch pf people who are mostly already subverted against the GOP, against the GOP.

Coulter profits from problems, that makes her a problem profiteer.

Period.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Very cool Luis.

[MACVSOG68]

Hmmm....

You don't wonder about whether all the posters who spend their entire time in the forum slamming on the GOP, calling them cowards, traitors, etc and generally speaking undermining every single leading GOP contender, while at the same time spouting support for Trump, whose candidacy has one and only one possible trajectory, with that trajectory leading to a Clinton Presidency are Democrats plants, but you wonder about me?

Did I gore your sacred cow there Palli?

Let's see. How doe Coulter earn her living?

She makes money from writing books (lots of books, each selling significantly less copies than the previous one) about how we are being victimized by the left, and about how downtrodden and abused conservatives are.

Additionally, she makes money for speaking about how we are being victimized by the left, and about how downtrodden and abused conservatives are.

So, how is a person who makes money from the problems that right wingers face, not a problem profiteer?

She's certainly not doing this solely out of love for God and Country.

If she was, she wouldn't charge those $25K speaking fees that she gets.

I've never been a Democrat, never will be a Democrat.

I am a Republican, which is more than what can be said about a whole bunch of people in this forum.

So you need to understand that I don't really react to ignorant accusations like yours. I don't need either validation or support from you.

I know that I am a Republican, just as I know that there are a whole lot of people here who cheer for Republican loses every bit as loudly as Democrats cheer for Republican loses.

Years ago, back when FreeRepublic actually stood for something. Before JimRob lost his mind and most of his worthwhile posters, and before FR became overrun with the mindless asshats that infest that place now, I was a Republican, fighting for the Republican nominee in the streets of South Florida.

... and unlike Coulter, I didn't profit from bitching about problems, I went out and tried to solve them.

Hey, I still have a Sore-Loserman T-shirt.   

Very impressive Luis

[Paladin]

If you had doubts that Trump may be a rat spoiler to elect a rat as President then I wonder at some of the things you have written in support of Trump's jihad on the GOP establishment.

Trump's "jihad" (as you phrase it) is one of the reasons I like him. Just a few days ago on the floor of the Senate Ted Cruz called McConnell a liar and a double dealer. Overall the GOPe has shown itself to be a bunch of eunuchs when it comes to confronting Obama, that is when it isn't apologizing for even existing. Every election cycle they promise, promise, promise (send us money) and after the election, they cave, cave, cave. In this latest iteration McConnnell was trying to sneak through a renewal of the already killed Exim Bank. How typical. How disgusting. Say, what happened to the promises to abolish ObamaCare instead of, as they did, funding the damn thing?

Yeah, yeah, I know that if they were to abolish it Obama would veto it. So? Do what's right regardless and let the voter's decide.

Well, anyway, I digress a bit but my point is that Trump is aggressively addressing issues other Repubs appear afraid to even acknowledge, but now may be forced to. Only Ted and Carly have been showing the same penchant for honesty and I admire both of them, too.

So say what you will about Trump, and some of what you and others say is truly excessive, but at least he's out there saying things that need to be said and he's not apologetic about it.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Trump's "jihad" (as you phrase it) is one of the reasons I like him. Just a few days ago on the floor of the Senate Ted Cruz called McConnell a liar and a double dealer. Overall the GOPe has shown itself to be a bunch of eunuchs when it comes to confronting Obama, that is when it isn't apologizing for even existing. Every election cycle they promise, promise, promise (send us money) and after the election, they cave, cave, cave. In this latest iteration McConnnell was trying to sneak through a renewal of the already killed Exim Bank. How typical. How disgusting. Say, what happened to the promises to abolish ObamaCare instead of, as they did, funding the damn thing?

Yeah, yeah, I know that if they were to abolish it Obama would veto it. So? Do what's right regardless and let the voter's decide.

Well, anyway, I digress a bit but my point is that Trump is aggressively addressing issues other Repubs appear afraid to even acknowledge, but now may be forced to. Only Ted and Carly have been showing the same penchant for honesty and I admire both of them, too.

So say what you will about Trump, and some of what you and others say is truly excessive, but at least he's out there saying things that need to be said and he's not apologetic about it.

So Cruz calling the people in his own Party liars etc somehow amounts to him confronting Obama?

Interesting.

Re: Trump and the idea that he's saying things that need to be said.

The things that truly need to said are the solutions, the WORKING solutions, to the problems that Trump (along with everyone else that's ever addressed the issue of illegal immigration from a right-of-center political perspective anyway) has been talking about. I see nothing new from Trump.

In fact, I see a whole lot of Obama's narcissism in Trump.

BTW... he said that he was so rich that he needed no donations to conduct his campaign. What's with the "donations" links on his Trump for POTUS website?

[MACVSOG68]

Well, anyway, I digress a bit but my point is that Trump is aggressively addressing issues other Repubs appear afraid to even acknowledge, but now may be forced to.

Well...at least he's not pandering... 

I know...I gotta take this election cycle more seriously.   

[libertybele]

Cruz went further than just calling McConnell a liar ... he basically showed him to be the RINO that he his, he called out Reid and touched upon the corruption of this administration period.  In addition he pointed out what "We the People" voted for and it sure as hell wasn't for the "cronyism" that is going on between the DEMS and the RINO's  nor wanting the politicians and lobbyist to line their pockets with taxpayer money.

[Paladin]

So Cruz calling the people in his own Party liars etc somehow amounts to him confronting Obama?

But what if they are liars, Luis? Then what?

[aligncare]

Well...at least he's not pandering... 

I know...I gotta take this election cycle more seriously.   

When it's an opponent, he's pandering; when it's your guy, he's addressing the issues. That's politics.

None of the players in the political sandbox (or, rather, litter box) has any claim to high ground. Politics is plain dirty.

It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first.
Ronald Reagan

[aligncare]

But what if they are liars, Luis? Then what?

McConnell lied to the Senators. Cruz called him out.

I thought we were looking for honesty. What was I thinking?

Brand loyalty in politics trumps (no pun intended) truth.

[Paladin]

Eric Ericson over at redstate.com has written a piece of the rise of The Donald which is somewhat illuminating. I think I shall add it and then leave the whole matter alone.

The number one thing you hear when you ask any Republican about Donald Trump is this — he fights. You hear it from Rush Limbaugh. You hear it from other talk radio show hosts. You hear it from the base. You hear it even from some Democrats. And in all cases, you hear it somewhat admirably. They may not like or endorse Trump, but they respect that he just doesn’t give a crap and fights.

If you need any further proof that Republican leadership in Washington created the conditions through which Donald Trump has risen, the Pew Poll has more.

The current survey finds that positive views of the GOP among Republicans have declined 18 percentage points since January, from 86% to 68%. Independents also view the Republican Party less favorably; 29% today, compared with 37% six months ago.

Now, consider what the Republican Party has done in that time.
◾They’ve refused to pass a late-term abortion bill in the House because a handful of members objected.
◾They gave Barack Obama a blank check to raise the debt limit.
◾They punted on Obamacare fights.
◾They’ve refused to defund Planned Parenthood.
◾They’ve taken retaliatory actions against conservative members who’ve stood up for Republican Party principles.
◾They’ve worked to fund the Export-Import Bank.
◾They have refused to stop Barack Obama’s ongoing assault against the free market.
◾They have passed the buck to courts to stop Obama on immigration, etc.

In short, the GOP has not fought. They have not been aggressive. They have been so scared of being disliked that they have become disliked. That is the reality.

So here comes a guy who does not care, who says what he thinks at the moment, and who fights. He takes on not only Barack Obama, but Republican leaders.

And now roughly one-quarter of the Republican base supports the guy. The reaction of those who like the GOP in DC? They attack the quarter of the party that likes the guy because of his willingness to fight.

Insiders within the GOP say Trump has peaked. Here’s the problem — these are insiders who have played the game and lost a quarter of the party’s support. These are insiders who have not held the DC Republicans accountable. They are traditional political operatives getting their butts kicked by a nontraditional candidate running a nontraditional campaign.

http://www.redstate.com/2015/07/24/republican-leadership-failures-caused-donald-trumps-rise/

And that's the truth.

[Luis Gonzalez]

McConnell lied to the Senators. Cruz called him out.

I thought we were looking for honesty. What was I thinking?

Brand loyalty in politics trumps (no pun intended) truth.

Do you think Reagan would have acted the same way or used the same words?

Don't confuse invective with truth. Truth can stand on its own merit without the need of crass and vulgar behavior.

If someone in this forum did what Cruz did in the halls of Congress once populated by Jefferson and Madison, we would confront them.

That place and its history need to be respected

[aligncare]

I'm anxious for the first debate. That's gonna clear up a lot of stuff. If Donald Trump is playing us, well, then one of the other candidates will have the chance to corner him on it. But if he isn't, and he fights back with some command, all bets are off.

And we'll all be sitting there with our popcorn enjoying the show. It should be better than WWF.

[truth_seeker]

I'm anxious for the first debate. That's gonna clear up a lot of stuff. If Donald Trump is playing us, well, then one of the other candidates will have the chance to corner him on it. But if he isn't, and he fights back with some command, all bets are off.

And we'll all be sitting there with our popcorn enjoying the show. It should be better than WWF.

If I was on that stage, I would pitch my qualifications, in the limited time I had. Some have more than others.

If the GOP is 25% voter identification now, and Trump has 28% of that, it means Trump has been chosen by 7% of the potential voters.

I would address the 93%.

"First, let me say I will support the GOP candidate, if it is not me. I will not run 3rd party. Unless you have already decided on Trump, listen to why I am the best qualified candidate, and why I have the best solutions for our major challenges."

Walker, Kasich, Perry, Bush--listen up.

[Dexter]

Truth can stand on its own merit without the need of crass and vulgar behavior.

 

[DCPatriot]

Do you think Reagan would have acted the same way or used the same words?

Don't confuse invective with truth. Truth can stand on its own merit without the need of crass and vulgar behavior.

He's in a ring with sixteen others, all vying for a public show of support in the polls.

He knows that 'SHOCK' gets coverage.  And he's pointing at the huge elephant everybody. but Congress, sees, when it comes to executing immigration law.

OTOH, Fiorina is nailing every 'gotcha' question thrown her way.  With class and proper tone.

And she's polling at 1%.   

[bkepley]

He's in a ring with sixteen others, all vying for a public show of support in the polls.

He knows that 'SHOCK' gets coverage.  And he's pointing at the huge elephant everybody. but Congress, sees, when it comes to executing immigration law.

OTOH, Fiorina is nailing every 'gotcha' question thrown her way.  With class and proper tone.

And she's polling at 1%.   

T'is true...t'is true.  I think you still have to admit that Trumps act is only working among Republicans unless you haven't seen how he polls nationally vs The Beast.

[olde north church]

Just another problem profiteer.

You'll get no argument from me on that one.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Trump's "jihad" (as you phrase it) is one of the reasons I like him.

You like his anti-GOP message.  So do the rats.  They love it.  I don't see how Trump thinks he can win the GOP nomination with that message, but then again I'm sane.

In the 90's racist scumbag David Duke won a seat US House from LA, and although he said some conservative things he was the wrong messenger and he did damage to the GOP.  The GOP establishment actively tanked his runs for higher office.

The point I was trying to make was if Trump is a rat in conservative clothes I would think even far right conservatives would be suspicious of the sincerity of his message.  I guess not.
 

Yeah, yeah, I know that if they were to abolish it Obama would veto it. So? Do what's right regardless and let the voter's decide.

From my perspective I question who decides what stupidly temporary, and suicidal tactic is the "right" thing to do, regardless of how it will be reversed when the voters decide to remove the GOP from power. 

Well, anyway, I digress a bit but my point is that Trump is aggressively addressing issues other Repubs appear afraid to even acknowledge, but now may be forced to. Only Ted and Carly have been showing the same penchant for honesty and I admire both of them, too.

So say what you will about Trump, and some of what you and others say is truly excessive, but at least he's out there saying things that need to be said and he's not apologetic about it.

Time after time the far right has been rejected by the GOP primary voters, but hey!  Maybe this is your year.  Good luck.

[Luis Gonzalez]

He's in a ring with sixteen others, all vying for a public show of support in the polls.

He knows that 'SHOCK' gets coverage.  And he's pointing at the huge elephant everybody. but Congress, sees, when it comes to executing immigration law.

OTOH, Fiorina is nailing every 'gotcha' question thrown her way.  With class and proper tone.

And she's polling at 1%.   

In every circus that I ever went to when I was a kid, your ticket covered the acts under the big tent. The amazing skills of the acrobats, the beast tamers, the juggling clowns. The circus was a great bang for your entertainment buck.

However, if you wanted to see the bearded lady, the two-headed calf,  and the rest  of the  sideshow  freaks, you had to pay extra, and damned near everyone did. Then, there were those who just came to see the bearded lady and the rest of the sideshow

[Fishrrman]

Paladin wrote above in post 36:
[[ And that's the truth. ]]

It certainly is.

But the BR contingent of RyeKnOws are going to jump on you for posting it...

[Fishrrman]

truth_seeker wrote above:
[[ If the GOP is 25% voter identification now, and Trump has 28% of that, it means Trump has been chosen by 7% of the potential voters.
I would address the 93%.
"First, let me say I will support the GOP candidate, if it is not me. I will not run 3rd party. Unless you have already decided on Trump, listen to why I am the best qualified candidate, and why I have the best solutions for our major challenges." ]]

And if I was Trump, I'd respond in my closing speech with:
"No more Clintons!
No more Bushes!
Let's restore America.
Let's make America great again!"

Which will go over better?

[olde north church]

You like his anti-GOP message.  So do the rats.  They love it.  I don't see how Trump thinks he can win the GOP nomination with that message, but then again I'm sane.

In the 90's racist scumbag David Duke won a seat US House from LA, and although he said some conservative things he was the wrong messenger and he did damage to the GOP.  The GOP establishment actively tanked his runs for higher office.

The point I was trying to make was if Trump is a rat in conservative clothes I would think even far right conservatives would be suspicious of the sincerity of his message.  I guess not.
 
From my perspective I question who decides what stupidly temporary, and suicidal tactic is the "right" thing to do, regardless of how it will be reversed when the voters decide to remove the GOP from power. 

Time after time the far right has been rejected by the GOP primary voters, but hey!  Maybe this is your year.  Good luck.

Let me tell you a quick story about "racist scumbag David Duke".  I have a friend who is about as easy going, laid-back and apolitical as one could possibly be.  He is as educated.  He was and continues to be a good family man.  Actually, he wouldn't even be a good NAZI because he doesn't follow orders.  He's a free thinker, as some might say.
That "free thinker" once said to me, along the lines, "he makes sense on a few things", referring to David Duke.  My teeth nearly fell out of my mouth.
I have been to the right of Pat Buchanan a couple of times.  There are times when I've felt Alan Keyes was a mealy-mouthed imposter.  I have considered Barry Goldwater a piker.
But I have never, EVER thought David Duke made sense, even when paying a buck ninety eight on a 2 dollar item (okay, that was a pun, Son).  My point is, you never know what is going to make people move.  Donald Trumps says things that make people move.  He motivates?  Quite possibly enough to win.
Blacks WILL vote for him.  Enough people of Spanish descent will vote for him.  Disaffected whites will vote for him.
If he doesn't dick around, he may win.  He may win big.  He has the potential to be the first third party candidate to win.  The more the GOP and DNC throw at him, the more support he will get.

[MACVSOG68]

Enough people of Spanish descent will vote for him.

Why?