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Most of that is garbage. The type of crap found on WND, to lure gullible hits.

I would expect better, here.
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Most of that is garbage. The type of crap found on WND, to lure gullible hits.

I would expect better, here.

Exactly what part is "garbage"?
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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I was saying that Trump has no political record to defend.  He knows he can say anything.

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I was saying that Trump has no political record to defend.  He knows he can say anything.

OK! I get that. And I am by no means defending Trump!

"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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He sure as hell does!

Saved the following to my hard drive when it was written.

THE TRUE MILITARY RECORD OF JOHN MCCAIN WRITTEN BY AN ACTIVE MARINE.

9/03/08
 
McCain has never really earned anything. He is from a wealth pampered background and not fit to lead this nation.
 
A “war hero” doesn’t finished 894th out of 899 and still get stationed at a Navy champagne unit and promoted ahead of all but two of his 898 other classmates.
 
A “war hero” doesn’t crash three U.S. Navy jets out of sheer incompetence and ineptitude, including two during non-combat training sessions.
 
A “war hero” doesn’t get written up on drunk-and-disorderly, fraternization, disobeying orders, and insubordination charges more than two dozen times in less than three years.

A “war hero” doesn’t get promoted to squadron commander of the air field named after his own grandfather immediately after crashing his third airplane.

A “war hero” doesn’t have all the military records that cover his time in Vietnam and all disciplinary actions against him censored and sealed “as a matter of national security.”

A “war hero” doesn’t get 28 medals awarded all after-the-fact “for bravery” for no other reason than being shot down and captured and then go on a celebrity public relations tour because he’s the son of two acclaimed Navy admirals.

A “war hero” doesn’t repeatedly cheat on the wife who’s back in the states waiting for him, and then cheat on her more when he returns to the states, and then divorce and abandon her.

A “war hero” doesn’t systematically vote against every single pay and benefit increase for military and veterans throughout his entire political career, all the while claiming to be “the soldier’s Congressman,” and then take credit for the passage of a G.I. benefits bill he that voted AGAINST.

A “war hero” McCain III lost jet number one in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay while practicing landings. He was knocked unconscious by the impact coming to as the plane settled to the bottom. McCain’s second crash occurred while he was deployed in the Mediterranean. “Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula,” Timberg wrote, “he took out some power lines [reminiscent of the 1998 incident in which a Marine Corps jet sliced through the cables of a gondola at an Italian ski resort, killing 20] which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son of an admiral.”

McCain’s third crash three occurred when he was returning from flying a Navy trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game. Timberg reported that McCain radioed, “I’ve got a flameout” and went through standard relight procedures three times before ejecting at one thousand feet. McCain landed on a deserted beach moments before the plane slammed into a clump of trees. McCain’s fifth loss happened during his 23rd mission over North Vietnam on Oct. 26, 1967, when McCain’s A-4 Skyhawk was shot down by a surface-to-air missile. McCain ejected from the plane breaking both arms an d a leg in the process and subsequently parachuted into Truc Bach Lake near Hanoi. For 23 combat missions (an estimated 20 hours over enemy territory), the U.S. Navy awarded McCain a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service medals. “McCain had roughly 20 hours in combat,” explains Bill Bell, a veteran of Vietnam and former chief of the U.S. Office for POW/MIA Affairs — the first official U.S. representative in Vietnam since the 1973 fall of Saigon. “Since McCain got 28 medals,” Bell continues, “that equals out to about a medal-and-a-half for each hour he spent in combat. There were infantry guys — grunts on the ground — who had more than 7,000 hours in combat and I can tell you that there were times and situations where I’m sure a prison cell would have looked pretty good to them by comparison.

The question really is how many guys got that number of medals for not being shot down.” For years, McCain has been an unchecked master at manipulating an overly friendly and biased news media. The former POW turned Congressman, turned U.S. Senator, has managed to gloss over his failures as a pilot by exaggerating his military service and lying about his feats of heroism. McCain has sprouted a halo and wings to become America’s POW-hero presidential candidate.

This article was written by an active, unnamed Marine. It was published by Gale Toensing founder of the Corner Report.com and she sent it to me. It is a true account of McCain’s real war record and evidence of his lack of fitness for the office of President.
 
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Thank you for posting that, Bigun.

I believe every word of it because why else would McCain have BLOCKED declassifying all the POW & MIA information on Vietnam. He protected the Pentagon and they protected him.



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Regardless of the "privileges" afforded to him during his time in the military; he did serve and he was a prisoner of war.  For that, I applaud him and thank him.  Anything other than that is him and others marching to the tune of a hollow drum.  Most of us realize that McCain is a RINO and for that very reason he lost to Obama. I stand by my comments that what Trump said I feel was geared towards a man who many put on a pedestal  and Trump was simply knocking him down a few pegs. 

Trump attacking him regarding his military service was a low blow in my opinion and he would have been better off going after him for his soft stance on illegal immigration or on his blatant lies and flip flops.
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MY God, here we are going back to recreate all the vitriol and a lot of the disinformation led by the far right against McCain in his run for the presidency eight years ago...in order to take the heat off someone like Trump?   :facepalm2:
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MY God, here we are going back to recreate all the vitriol and a lot of the disinformation led by the far right against McCain in his run for the presidency eight years ago...in order to take the heat off someone like Trump?   :facepalm2:

Nobody's taking any heat off Trump but calling McCain a hero goes to far as well!
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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Nobody's taking any heat off Trump but calling McCain a hero goes to far as well!

Bigun, we've already established that Trump was referring to all POWs.  If McCain wasn't a hero as a POW then why are any of the others?  What sets him aside?
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Hell, as long as we're going back to the 2008 election let's lay a few on the "gun-grabbing, pro-abortion socialist", Rudy!     :laugh:
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Bigun, we've already established that Trump was referring to all POWs.  If McCain wasn't a hero as a POW then why are any of the others?  What sets him aside?

Running his mouth about ALL manner of things while in captivity!
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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Running his mouth about ALL manner of things while in captivity!

You are saying that he was a traitor and you are absolutely certain of this?

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Running his mouth about ALL manner of things while in captivity!

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/jan/17/vietnam-veterans-against-john-mccain/no-evidence-mccain-was-a-traitor/

Maybe he did, and maybe he didn't.  But those who took after him were essentially his political enemies.  There have been a lot of charges against McCain from before his years in a POW camp, during, and especially after.  Little has ever been substantiated, and much of it contradicted. 
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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/jan/17/vietnam-veterans-against-john-mccain/no-evidence-mccain-was-a-traitor/

Maybe he did, and maybe he didn't.  But those who took after him were essentially his political enemies.  There have been a lot of charges against McCain from before his years in a POW camp, during, and especially after.  Little has ever been substantiated, and much of it contradicted.

Funny thing about that is that there are lots of genuine heroes who have not one bit of that kind of controversy around them.
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This motherf**ker was given a chance to apologize and he wouldn't.

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Anybody around here still think this is the guy the GOP should be pushing in 2016?

Doesn't matter what any of us think of Trump. Campaigns have a way of taking on a life of their own despite whether you or I disapprove of the candidate.

I disapprove of McConnell and Obama. Where does that leave me? One dissatisfied American, that's all.

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Funny thing about that is that there are lots of genuine heroes who have not one bit of that kind of controversy around them.

Yes but they are not politicians.  You are saying he was a traitor, not just less than a hero?

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Mac, consider this.  Over the last 8 years pelosi/reid/obama have literally shoved thousands of legislative and executive actions down the countries throat ranging from obamacare, 20+million illegals,massive debt, depleted military and on and on.

My question is, do bush etal have the determination and the political will to solve any of these issues?  My view is they will spend 8 years begging, pleading, crying and fingerpointing and will accomplish nothing.
My hope is that someone, does not have to be Trump, will occupy the whitehouse and fight tooth and nail and just as dirty to get this mess cleaned up.
I don't care how big a jerk they are.  I am not after a golf partner, I want a leader with enough guts to stand up to putin and determined enough to put iran back in the box.

Agreed. I'm damn tired of professional politicians. They, both left and right, got us in this mess.

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You are saying that he was a traitor and you are absolutely certain of this?
Well heck yes, because you can read all about it on the internet, you know?

Joseph Farrah and his World Nut Daily, Alex Jones, various fringe publications and operatives drag it out whenever it seems timely.

But it is not convincing enough to prevent McCain from winning elections impressively in his state, against fringe types like Hayworth.
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Funny thing about that is that there are lots of genuine heroes who have not one bit of that kind of controversy around them.

Asking again, you are saying not only was he not a hero but he was a traitor?

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Asking again, you are saying not only was he not a hero but he was a traitor?

I am saying that IMHO he violated the UCMJ multiple times. You can call that whatever you like.

And before I forget to address this popular theme about his refusal to be repatriated ahead of everyone else.  Remember that his father was still an active and very high ranking admiral in the navy at the time so that could not be allowed to happen.
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I am saying that IMHO he violated the UCMJ multiple times. You can call that whatever you like.

In today's culture, very few understand the importance of the UCMJ. And I would guess, even fewer would spend the time to read and care about it.
I think there are some veterans here who understand.

My brother, a retired naval aviator, was carrier-based in the Sixth Fleet.  He brought his plane back to the carrier with four crew members aboard minus one engine--on fire.  If you applauded his skill, he would give credit to the worthiness of his aircraft.  He never lost an one, ever.
To me, that is a hero.

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I am saying that IMHO he violated the UCMJ multiple times. You can call that whatever you like.

And before I forget to address this popular theme about his refusal to be repatriated ahead of everyone else.  Remember that his father was still an active and very high ranking admiral in the navy at the time so that could not be allowed to happen.

I suppose no good act should go unquestioned, especially where political differences rule.  Still, his alleged violations of the UCMJ are based on your humble opinion, as you say.
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In today's culture, very few understand the importance of the UCMJ. And I would guess, even fewer would spend the time to read and care about it.
I think there are some veterans here who understand.

My brother, a retired naval aviator, was carrier-based in the Sixth Fleet.  He brought his plane back to the carrier with four crew members aboard minus one engine--on fire.  If you applauded his skill, he would give credit to the worthiness of his aircraft.  He never lost an one, ever.
To me, that is a hero.

That's a flier. No mere pilot.  :laugh: He'll get the distinction - then probably disagree strongly and violently.
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Yes but they are not politicians.  You are saying he was a traitor, not just less than a hero?

Here's what's going on.

What is KNOWN , without question, is the following:

John McCain volunteered to serve and fight. He could have probably negotiated an easier job, but he wanted to fight.

He was shot down over enemy territory while flying his 23rd combat mission.

He was captured, his shoulder was shattered by a rifle butt and he was bayoneted.

He was denied medical assistance while being interrogated, and was beaten.

He was eventually sent to a hospital where other American POWs have stated that they doubted that he would survive.

He did recover and was then kept in solitary confinement for two years.

He spent a total of five and a half years as a POW.

In the years since all that happen, and as McCain's politics began to earn him the scorn of right wing political activists (mind you, the people of Arizona seem to like him well enough, he keeps getting re-elected) attacks on McCain's service record began to surface.

None are documented, most are just accusations, but the one clear thing you can see is that these attacks are politically motivated.

I am no fan of John McCain, but I detest rumor mongering and whisper campaigns.

To make a long and sordid story short, there are a number of people who have claimed that McCain is a traitor and that there is a huge government cover-up designed to hide his treason. There's no real proof of that mind you, but to conspiracy theorists, lack of proof of a conspiracy is proof of that conspirator.

To wit, you'll look around the 'net and find a number of people making all kinds of claims that McCain did this or that, and they will seem quite passionate about it.

Just as passionate as those folk who claim that there was never a moon landing, that Princess Diana's death was actually a hit job by the British Secret Service, that the deadly HIV/AIDS virus was created by the CIA to wipe out homosexuals and African Americans, that 9/11 was an inside job, that the Sandy Hook massacre didn't really happen, that the Holocaust is a hoax, that George W. Bush had the Army Corps of Engineers breached the levees to flood poor black neighborhoods in New Orleans in order to save the richer, white neighborhoods, that the government and big pharmaceutical vaccines are hiding proof that vaccines cause autism, that Paul McCartney died in 1966 and was replaced by a look-alike named William "Billy" Shears, that Roosevelt had advance warning of the attack on Pearl Harbor, global warming, that the USSR threw the championship game in the 1980 Olympics, or that The Protocols of The Elders of Zion are anything more than a fabrication by the Russian Empire's secret police sometime in the late 1890's.

Here's a link for you:

http://www.miafacts.org/mccain.htm
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