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Offline MACVSOG68

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And so the split of the conservative vote to elect Hellary begins...

Maybe it's best to split off the conservatives from the right wing and let the RW go its own way.  Then the conservative vote can go to those who actually have plans for addressing the issues of importance.  And the RW can find another Keyes, Tancredo, Brownback, Thompson, Hunter...or Trump to take their new party colors.
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Maybe it's best to split off the conservatives from the right wing and let the RW go its own way.  Then the conservative vote can go to those who actually have plans for addressing the issues of importance.  And the RW can find another Keyes, Tancredo, Brownback, Thompson, Hunter...or Trump to take their new party colors.

So it's your way or the highway?
Come on Mac, your better than that.

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Here's a different approach:

Hugh Hewitt: All right, now let me ask you the simple question that GOP primary voters are going to be asking if you get into this and all the other people get in. They’re going to ask themselves, I really think its going to come down to this. Which of you guys or gal, because Carly’s in this, is best positioned to beat Hillary Clinton, because I think there are a lot of people for whom that is the only issue. Who of these 16 people is best positioned to beat Hillary Clinton? What’s John Kasich’s answer to that question?

John Kasich: Well Hugh, first of all, I don’t, I think that we’d better elect somebody who’s going to do something. I mean, this is not like, what are we, red and blue? We’re talking about America. We’re talking about how we can revive the country, create economic growth, bring more unity to the country, rebuild America’s defense. If this is just a game of who gets elected, well, what if we get elected and don’t do anything? I mean, that’s not the way I want to think about this. I want to think about this in terms of first of all, who can win, and secondly, who’s going to do the job? And that calls up the issue of record, experience. Who’s got the experience in national security? Who’s got the experience in terms of taming Washington and knowing how it works? Who has been an executive? Who is it? or is this just, I mean, is this just a game of who wins?

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So it's your way or the highway?
Come on Mac, your better than that.

I'm not the one who's been threatening to leave the GOP if a "RINO" gets nominated.  I'm finally saying, hell, let them go.  It's the conservatives I want to keep in the Party anyway, and they understand what's at stake.
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I'm not the one who's been threatening to leave the GOP if a "RINO" gets nominated.  I'm finally saying, hell, let them go.  It's the conservatives I want to keep in the Party anyway, and they understand what's at stake.

Yep, it's critical to elect Republicans so they can continue the progressive ways of the current Congress.

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Maybe it's best to split off the conservatives from the right wing and let the RW go its own way.  Then the conservative vote can go to those who actually have plans for addressing the issues of importance.  And the RW can find another Keyes, Tancredo, Brownback, Thompson, Hunter...or Trump to take their new party colors.

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I'm not the one who's been threatening to leave the GOP if a "RINO" gets nominated.  I'm finally saying, hell, let them go.  It's the conservatives I want to keep in the Party anyway, and they understand what's at stake.

Just for the record... again.. :)

I have listened to years of republican promises to balance the budget, secure the borders, get EPA under control etc but all I have seen from either party is more intentional deflation of salaries by using HIB visas and open borders.  The budget/deficit is so out of whack that I don't think we will ever get it under control.  Each year the EPA gets bigger and stronger.

Broken Promises?  Me thinks just more lies to get my vote.
I am fed up with the media telling what the issues are and who to vote for.
I am tired of being manipulated by a party that would rather compromise with the extreme left than listen to me.
I am tired of being told I am stupid or crazy or word du jour we want to use.

OK, you can take the soap box now.. :)

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Maybe it's best to split off the conservatives from the right wing and let the RW go its own way.  Then the conservative vote can go to those who actually have plans for addressing the issues of importance.  And the RW can find another Keyes, Tancredo, Brownback, Thompson, Hunter...or Trump to take their new party colors.

The "Conservatives" of this nation are cowards, they are refusing to see "the whites of their eyes".  The zoom to the bottom is out of control and it's taking a self-promoting blowhard to point it out.
Why?  Well, because I'm a bastard, that's why.

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Yep, it's critical to elect Republicans so they can continue the progressive ways of the current Congress.

Absolutely not.  Let's vote for Democrats to run the Country like the did in '09 and '10.  They got Obamacare, an $800 billion spending spree with nothing to show for it, a Middle East in more turmoil than ever, a military being dismantled, terrorism all over the world, real amnesty for all illegals regardless of crimes, a completely out-of-control EPA, doubling of our national debt, and turning the US into a joke around the world...to name a few accomplishments of the Dems. 

Then after the GOP is dismantled, Americans can then turn the Country around with a new constitutional party. 

Are the Republicans the same?  If we throw out any semblance of perspective, yeah, I guess so.  So give it to the new socialist makeover party.  Anyway, saves on campaign contributions.   :pondering:
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Just for the record... again.. :)

I have listened to years of republican promises to balance the budget, secure the borders, get EPA under control etc but all I have seen from either party is more intentional deflation of salaries by using HIB visas and open borders.  The budget/deficit is so out of whack that I don't think we will ever get it under control.  Each year the EPA gets bigger and stronger.

Broken Promises?  Me thinks just more lies to get my vote.
I am fed up with the media telling what the issues are and who to vote for.
I am tired of being manipulated by a party that would rather compromise with the extreme left than listen to me.
I am tired of being told I am stupid or crazy or word du jour we want to use.

OK, you can take the soap box now.. :)

You do know that there are two parties and the GOP has never gotten Exec + Congress + Veto Proof majority?  You know the GOP has no chance to do the things that need to be done without all that.  A GOP house will send good stuff up but they know it is futile because Obama will just veto it.  Furthermore even though the country is basically conservative they elected Obama twice and what does that tell you?

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The "Conservatives" of this nation are cowards, they are refusing to see "the whites of their eyes".  The zoom to the bottom is out of control and it's taking a self-promoting blowhard to point it out.

Conservatives know this but they can't establish a conservative dictatorship.  You act like there is no resistance except from liberal republicans.

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You do know that there are two parties and the GOP has never gotten Exec + Congress + Veto Proof majority?  You know the GOP has no chance to do the things that need to be done without all that.  A GOP house will send good stuff up but they know it is futile because Obama will just veto it.  Furthermore even though the country is basically conservative they elected Obama twice and what does that tell you?

Bush had 6 years of republican controlled house and senate and chose to give us the No Child Left behind and defense of marriage act.  I won't ding him on budget because of the wars in the ME but I will ding him on getting us involved in Iraq without finishing Afghanistan.

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Bush had 6 years of republican controlled house and senate and chose to give us the No Child Left behind and defense of marriage act.  I won't ding him on budget because of the wars in the ME but I will ding him on getting us involved in Iraq without finishing Afghanistan.

The Federal DoMA was signed into law by Bill Clinton.
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Absolutely not.  Let's vote for Democrats to run the Country like the did in '09 and '10.  They got Obamacare, an $800 billion spending spree with nothing to show for it, a Middle East in more turmoil than ever, a military being dismantled, terrorism all over the world, real amnesty for all illegals regardless of crimes, a completely out-of-control EPA, doubling of our national debt, and turning the US into a joke around the world...to name a few accomplishments of the Dems. 

Then after the GOP is dismantled, Americans can then turn the Country around with a new constitutional party. 

Are the Republicans the same?  If we throw out any semblance of perspective, yeah, I guess so.  So give it to the new socialist makeover party.  Anyway, saves on campaign contributions.   :pondering:

Well, do your best to jettison the "right wing", and the rest will take care of itself. It's entertaining to watch you folks complain about right wingers who don't fawn over the party that gives us nothing. Now, you're ready to try to win without us. Let me know how that works out for you and the illuminati of the GOP.

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Bush had 6 years of republican controlled house and senate and chose to give us the No Child Left behind and defense of marriage act.  I won't ding him on budget because of the wars in the ME but I will ding him on getting us involved in Iraq without finishing Afghanistan.

Who do you support for POTUS?
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Bush had 6 years of republican controlled house and senate and chose to give us the No Child Left behind and defense of marriage act.  I won't ding him on budget because of the wars in the ME but I will ding him on getting us involved in Iraq without finishing Afghanistan.

Sure and he's been dinged quite a bit.

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You do know that there are two parties and the GOP has never gotten Exec + Congress + Veto Proof majority?  You know the GOP has no chance to do the things that need to be done without all that.  A GOP house will send good stuff up but they know it is futile because Obama will just veto it.  Furthermore even though the country is basically conservative they elected Obama twice and what does that tell you?

Interesting. The old, we just don't have enough power, give us more, and we'll do what we promised.

Funny, the Democrats seem to get things done, even when Republicans hold Congress.

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The "Conservatives" of this nation are cowards, they are refusing to see "the whites of their eyes".  The zoom to the bottom is out of control and it's taking a self-promoting blowhard to point it out.

Conservatives aren't radicals.  What do you think they can do with Obama more confident of his position than ever.  Who are they afraid of, the American people who may just taking positions the RW isn't comfortable with?  What should they do?  Shut down the government till hell freezes over?  Obama wins that one.  Mine the borders?  Drop a nuke on Iran?  More Obama wins. 

Every year federal spending has been less than 2010, in real numbers not just growth reductions.  2010 was the last year the Dems held Congress. 

My suggestion is that voters send members and prospective members of the Republican Study Committee to office next year since that is the conservative wing of the Party.  I'm all for it.  My representative is Joe Wilson, a member of the Republican Study Committee.  Did calling Obama a liar make him a coward?
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Who do you support for POTUS?

I want the toughest, meanest SOB I can get.
If that turns out to be bush, so be it.
If it is Trump, so be it.
But I will continue to push the party to grow a pair and put on their big boy pants.
We cannot continue to soft shoe everything and hope it goes away.

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Well, do your best to jettison the "right wing", and the rest will take care of itself. It's entertaining to watch you folks complain about right wingers who don't fawn over the party that gives us nothing. Now, you're ready to try to win without us. Let me know how that works out for you and the illuminati of the GOP.

LOL.  I love this game.  You:  If you nominate a RINO I'm not voting GOP.  Me: Fine, it you want to leave the Party go.  You:  So you want to jettison us from the party huh?

Aaargh!     :facepalm2:

Actually, I've been one who believes any Republican is almost always better than any Democrat, especially as the Democrat Party is now evolving.  I believe all factions of the GOP are essential to a win, the liberals, the moderates, the national defense conservatives, the fiscal conservatives, the religious right, the libertarians.

But frankly I'm tired of this "my way or I'm leaving" BS.  Years ago my 18 year old kept telling me he was tired of all the rules and threatened to just leave.  I said, GO son!  He did and found out what the world was really like.  If some Republicans see a better way, I say have at it.
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I want the toughest, meanest SOB I can get.
If that turns out to be bush, so be it.
If it is Trump, so be it.
But I will continue to push the party to grow a pair and put on their big boy pants.
We cannot continue to soft shoe everything and hope it goes away.

In order to govern you must first win elections. In order to win elections you must win the center.

The GOP RW can't (by itself) get a RW candidate to win the GOP primary, so it's really difficult to convince anyone that they can field a candidate to win the general.

Those middle of the ground swing voters have complex ideas that do not fit neatly into the RW square.

If you want to govern, you have to win elections.

If you want to win elections, you have to win the center.
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In order to govern you must first win elections. In order to win elections you must win the center.

The GOP RW can't (by itself) get a RW candidate to win the GOP primary, so it's really difficult to convince anyone that they can field a candidate to win the general.

Those middle of the ground swing voters have complex ideas that do not fit neatly into the RW square.

If you want to govern, you have to win elections.

If you want to win elections, you have to win the center.

Agree.  So there is no hope for a balanced budget or sanity in government because only the "right wing" wants that.
So lets adopt socialism now and get it over with.

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When the GOP does not hold the Presidency, and/or does not have a veto proof majority, they cannot do anything on their own.

This condition makes true conservatives so mad, they can't think straight. Being so angry, many want to at least see a good drama be made out of everything.

That is why they criticize representatives for not "fighting enough" even though they don't have the votes.

But dammit, give us some drama !! So along comes Trump, a draft dodging drama queen, and they have found their latest flavor of the week. Frigging Nirvana.

And that folks, is about the most thrilling ride at the all-conservative amusement park.
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The right wing is a small minority of the overall electorate. The biggest chunk of the electorate is Independents, and they are mostly conservative on fiscal matters, and libertarian on social matters.

Hence on social matters the Independents are not aligned with GOP conservatives.
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The right wing is a small minority of the overall electorate. The biggest chunk of the electorate is Independents, and they are mostly conservative on fiscal matters, and libertarian on social matters.

Hence on social matters the Independents are not aligned with GOP conservatives.

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