Obama On Islamic State: “Ideologies Are Not Defeated With Guns, They Are Defeated With Better Ideas”… Tell that to the Nazis.

[famousdayandyear]

Obama On Islamic State: “Ideologies Are Not Defeated With Guns, They Are Defeated With Better Ideas”…

Tell that to the Nazis.

http://www.weaselzippers.us/228400-obama-on-islamic-state-ideologies-are-not-defeated-with-guns-theyre-defeated-with-better-ideas/

[aligncare]

What Obama is neglecting to take into account is that evil does not give up willingly. It must be countered and forcibly stopped.

[famousdayandyear]

Agree, Aligncare.  I wonder if he has read the history of oppressive ideologies.
Apparently, not.  The other explanation is that he agrees with such oppressive regimes.

[andy58-in-nh]

What Obama is neglecting to take into account is that evil does not give up willingly. It must be countered and forcibly stopped.

Barry, the Prince of Delusion, speaks. And never stops to think.

What happens when the side with guns and terrible ideas meet those on the side who have forsaken their guns for better ideas?

Hundreds of millions of dead in the last century alone scream the answer, against which those possessed of stubborn Utopianism still shut their ears.

[raml]

Obama is very aware of what he is doing to this country that is why he doesn't ever take a sane persons advice he wants to bring us down. I say that anyone who believes he loves this country and is trying to build it up not down has to be delusional. I said this was going to happen if he got elected all of his past life said this loud and clear. Problem is we no longer have many voters that actually vote on who will be a good leader to this country but by party and for the real stupid voters on what a candidate promises them in goodies which this country can't afford but all of their thinking is me me me and never for the common good of the country. So far neither republican or democratic parties impress me and I really think Obama has managed to take this country over the cliff and it can't come back. Luckily at my age and being retired I don't have to be out in the world I can hibernate and be surrounded by family and look no further for anything. I have completely lost all hope for this country I just hope my money will last as long as my body does since I think we will have big money problems soon but I do have family and we can all survive if we stick together.

[EC]

The Worm is right. 

Ideologies are not defeated by guns. Of course, the guns are needed to make sure your head stays intact while you give your ideas, and to turn your ideas from chaff and annoying BS into very strong suggestions that they'd be wise to take, but that's a small point ....

 

[rangerrebew]

Obama to Pentagon: We Can't Defeat ISIS w/Guns




No war in history has ever been won with guns.

July 6, 2015
 
Daniel Greenfield
 
 How can we possibly stop this man with a mere gun?

The Failure-in-Chief would like to remind all the people at the Pentagon that what they're doing is hopeless because guns don't work. Guns are bad. We all know the idea that it takes a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun is crazy NRA propaganda.

We can't win wars with guns either. Remember how we tried and failed to defeat the Nazis with guns, and the war didn't stop until we appeased them? No war in history has ever been won with guns. Why should this one be any different.


On Monday afternoon, President Obama spoke at the Pentagon about the Islamic State, or ISIS, a terrorist organization in Syria and Iraq.

Obama stressed all elements of American power were going toward fighting the organization. "Altogether, ISIL has lost over a quarter of the populated areas it had seized in Iraq," the President said, using an alternative name for the terrorist group. "ISIL's strategic weaknesses are real."

Obama said the terrorist organization is doing their best to recruit from "Muslim communities around the world."

"In order for us to defeat terrorist groups like ISIL and al-Qaeda, we must discredit their ideology. This broader challenge of countering violent extremism," Obama said. "Ideologies are not defeated with guns, they are defeated by better ideas. We will never be at war with Islam," Obama added, stressing that ISIS distorts Islam.

To summarize, we're defeating ISIS, it has strategic weaknesses, but we can't possibly defeat it with icky guns. Instead we must make more hashtags. Foreign Policy really suggested that gay marriage can defeat ISIS. That's a plan alright.

How much territory has ISIS lost due to hashtags? Not so much as an inch. ISIS is winning the war of ideas among Muslims. That doesn't mean that it can't be defeated militarily.
 
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When the USSR cut a deal with Hitler, their useful idiots in America began claiming that Nazism was an "ism" and couldn't be defeated by force. Then when their German boyfriend stabbed Uncle Joe in the back, they began shrilly demanding the use of force. And once America won the war, they spent the rest of the time claiming that Uncle Joe Stalin really won the war.

Nazism couldn't be defeated with guns back when the Germans were massacring Jews and helping the USSR carve up its own piece of Eastern Europe. But when the Huns showed up in the homeland of Socialism, suddenly they discovered that guns worked really well on Nazis.

Somehow, I suspect that if ISIS were pounding targets that Obama really cared about and beheading people he cared about, suddenly all those bombing raids would involve actually striking ISIS no matter where they are and without worrying about the collateral damage.

All those many branches of the Federal government have their own SWAT teams because clearly liberals believe that enemies of the EPA or the FDA can be defeated with guns. They just don't believe that ideologies like ISIS, which after all don't really want a Caliphate, but are upset about our foreign policy, can be defeated with guns.

And that says it all.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/259370/obama-pentagon-we-cant-defeat-isis-wguns-daniel-greenfield

[xfreeper]

WOW. Not only is he a constitution scholar, he's a history scholar also. Very impressive

[mountaineer]

WOW. Not only is he a constitution scholar, he's a history scholar also. Very impressive

And a brilliant military strategist. 

[xfreeper]

indeed. that too goes without saying

[Dexter]

Our involvement has only made the Middle East more unstable.

[DCPatriot]

He's right.

It took two....'low grade' (compared to today's weapons) atomic bombs.

It brought "Unconditional Surrender" and today, is a steady American ally.  Who sell us lots of excellent cars and electronics.

[Dexter]

He's right.

It took two....'low grade' (compared to today's weapons) atomic bombs.

It brought "Unconditional Surrender" and today, is a steady American ally.  Who sell us lots of excellent cars and electronics.

The Japanese were on the brink of defeat before we dropped those nukes. We had completely destroyed their air force and all but destroyed the rest of their military. Our war planes were flying over their cities uncontested while they turned what remained of their infrastructure into rubble. The nukes were not necessary.

[DCPatriot]

The Japanese were on the brink of defeat before we dropped those nukes. We had completely destroyed their air force and all but destroyed the rest of their military. Our war planes were flying over their cities uncontested while they turned what remained of their infrastructure into rubble. The nukes were not necessary.

Hate to be a jerk, Dex...but "If only one American Soldier's life could be saved......"

They had figured on losing perhaps tens of thousands if Japan had to be invaded.

The bombs saved perhaps millions of lives since WWII.

[mountaineer]

Hate to be a jerk, Dex...but "If only one American Soldier's life could be saved......"

They had figured on losing perhaps tens of thousands if Japan had to be invaded.

The bombs saved perhaps millions of lives since WWII.

Exactly. My late father-in-law, a bombadier trainer, was about to be sent on the invasion. The nukes, horrible as they were, saved a lot of lives.

[Bigun]

The Japanese were on the brink of defeat before we dropped those nukes. We had completely destroyed their air force and all but destroyed the rest of their military. Our war planes were flying over their cities uncontested while they turned what remained of their infrastructure into rubble. The nukes were not necessary.

You are SO full of crap that your eyes are brown! 

Official estimates of casualties that would have been incurred if we had had to invade the Japanese home islands range from 500,000 to 1,500,000!


http://www.upa.pdx.edu/IMS/currentprojects/TAHv3/Content/PDFs/Operation_Downfall.pdf

[evadR]

It was fortunate that the Japs didn't know we didn't have material for any more nukes.  The nukes were the ONLY thing that caused the hawks to surrender. They were prepared to fight till the last Jap.
They of course were delusional but they still had plenty left.
American casualties would have been enormous on the mainland.  Truman knew that.  Good move Harry.

[Dexter]

You are SO full of crap that your eyes are brown! 

Official estimates of casualties that would have been incurred if we had had to invade the Japanese home islands range from 500,000 to 1,500,000!


http://www.upa.pdx.edu/IMS/currentprojects/TAHv3/Content/PDFs/Operation_Downfall.pdf

"Apart from the moral questions involved, were the atomic bombings militarily necessary? By any rational yardstick, they were not. Japan already had been defeated militarily by June 1945. Almost nothing was left of the once mighty Imperial Navy, and Japan's air force had been all but totally destroyed. Against only token opposition, American war planes ranged at will over the country, and US bombers rained down devastation on her cities, steadily reducing them to rubble. What was left of Japan's factories and workshops struggled fitfully to turn out weapons and other goods from inadequate raw materials. (Oil supplies had not been available since April.) By July about a quarter of all the houses in Japan had been destroyed, and her transportation system was near collapse. Food had become so scarce that most Japanese were subsisting on a sub-starvation diet. On the night of March 9-10, 1945, a wave of 300 American bombers struck Tokyo, killing 100,000 people. Dropping nearly 1,700 tons of bombs, the war planes ravaged much of the capital city, completely burning out 16 square miles and destroying a quarter of a million structures. A million residents were left homeless.

On May 23, eleven weeks later, came the greatest air raid of the Pacific War, when 520 giant B-29 "Superfortress" bombers unleashed 4,500 tons of incendiary bombs on the heart of the already battered Japanese capital. Generating gale-force winds, the exploding incendiaries obliterated Tokyo's commercial center and railway yards, and consumed the Ginza entertainment district. Two days later, on May 25, a second strike of 502 "Superfortress" planes roared low over Tokyo, raining down some 4,000 tons of explosives. Together these two B-29 raids destroyed 56 square miles of the Japanese capital. Even before the Hiroshima attack, American air force General Curtis LeMay boasted that American bombers were "driving them [Japanese] back to the stone age." Henry H. ("Hap") Arnold, commanding General of the Army air forces, declared in his 1949 memoirs: "It always appeared to us, atomic bomb or no atomic bomb, the Japanese were already on the verge of collapse." This was confirmed by former Japanese prime minister Fumimaro Konoye, who said: "Fundamentally, the thing that brought about the determination to make peace was the prolonged bombing by the B-29s."

Months before the end of the war, Japan's leaders recognized that defeat was inevitable. In April 1945 a new government headed by Kantaro Suzuki took office with the mission of ending the war. When Germany capitulated in early May, the Japanese understood that the British and Americans would now direct the full fury of their awesome military power exclusively against them. American officials, having long since broken Japan's secret codes, knew from intercepted messages that the country's leaders were seeking to end the war on terms as favorable as possible. Details of these efforts were known from decoded secret communications between the Foreign Ministry in Tokyo and Japanese diplomats abroad."

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n3p-4_Weber.html

[DCPatriot]

Imagine that!  An "Institute for Historical Review"

Dex...that's just an opinion blog.  Perhaps, American Thinker would entertain them.   Haven't seen anything from them before.

We had no stomach to keep suffering KIA's as we had in Okinawa and Iwo Jima.  Burma and the Philippines, too!

IMO, the writer is a Milenniel peacenik.   

[240B]

This Obama character is truly amazing. It is just stunning how stupid or brainwashed or whatever his problem is.

He keeps saying we will never be at war with Islam (which is something he has never said about Christianity or Judaism) and yet he keeps insisting that ISIS is not Islamic, and yet he will never attack them. Which is it? Are they Islamic and therefore we cannot attack them? Or, are they not Islamic and therefore we can attack them? Which is it, you freaking fool?

Obama keeps dithering on whether or not ISIS is Islamic, when no one else on the entire Earth gives a shit about what they are. They are evil and need to be annihilated. That is all that is important.

Obama is using this are they Islamic or are they not Islamic bullshit as a deflection and a distraction to stupid people, to hide his real desire to support them. 

It is obvious except to the most stupid people what Obama is doing and where his heart is. And it is not with us.

[Dexter]

Imagine that!  An "Institute for Historical Review"

Dex...that's just an opinion blog.  Perhaps, American Thinker would entertain them.   Haven't seen anything from them before.

We had no stomach to keep suffering KIA's as we had in Okinawa and Iwo Jima.  Burma and the Philippines, too!

IMO, the writer is a Milenniel peacenik.   

You didn't address any of the points brought up by the author. If his assertions are wrong would you mind pointing out where and how?

Oh, and he is not a millennial.

http://www.ihr.org/other/weber_bio.html

[evadR]

It is just stunning how stupid or brainwashed or whatever his problem is.

Obama is stupid and brainwashed, as close to a Manchurian Candidate as you will ever find.

But was is even more stunning is the stupidity of the entourage of sycophants that prop him up. Without them, he would be totally feckless. He is nothing more than a prop.

[evadR]

Much of what the writer states is probably correct, except his conclusion.

What is important are not just facts but the interpretation of facts that justifies a conclusion.

[Dexter]

Much of what the writer states is probably correct, except his conclusion.

What is important are not just facts but the interpretation of facts that justifies a conclusion.

Would you break down why you believe his conclusion is wrong?

[rangerrebew]

Certainly the Civil War wasn't won with guns.  Negotiators sat down one day at Appomattox and the northern team simply convinced the south they were bad boys and girls and they should stop the war before someone got hurt.  How 600,000 + people died is a mystery to this day.  Anyhow, the south was convinced only bad people had cannons, pistols, muskets, repeating rifles, and mines whereupon they wept mightily and begged for forgiveness for even thinking about fighting a war.  They gave up everything, including the rebel flag, so that fighting with guns wouldn't be necessary.  (source ihr.org)