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Obama making bid to diversify wealthy neighborhoods
« on: June 11, 2015, 12:16:40 pm »
http://thehill.com/regulation/244620-obamas-bid-to-diversify-wealthy-neighborhoods

 By Tim Devaney - 06/11/15 06:00 AM EDT

The Obama administration is moving forward with regulations designed to help diversify America’s wealthier neighborhoods, drawing fire from critics who decry the proposal as executive overreach in search of an “unrealistic utopia.”

A final Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) rule due out this month is aimed at ending decades of deep-rooted segregation around the country.

The regulations would use grant money as an incentive for communities to build affordable housing in more affluent areas while also taking steps to upgrade poorer areas with better schools, parks, libraries, grocery stores and transportation routes as part of a gentrification of those communities.

“HUD is working with communities across the country to fulfill the promise of equal opportunity for all,” a HUD spokeswoman said. “The proposed policy seeks to break down barriers to access to opportunity in communities supported by HUD funds.”

It’s a tough sell for some conservatives. Among them is Rep. Paul Gosar (R-Ariz.), who argued that the administration “shouldn’t be holding hostage grant monies aimed at community improvement based on its unrealistic utopian ideas of what every community should resemble.”

“American citizens and communities should be free to choose where they would like to live and not be subject to federal neighborhood engineering at the behest of an overreaching federal government,” said Gosar, who is leading an effort in the House to block the regulations.

Civil rights advocates, meanwhile, are praising the plan, arguing that it is needed to break through decades-old barriers that keep poor and minority families trapped in hardscrabble neighborhoods.

“We have a history of putting affordable housing in poor communities,” said Debby Goldberg, vice president at the National Fair Housing Alliance.

The Fair Housing Act of 1968 prohibited direct and intentional housing discrimination, such as a real estate agent not showing a home in a wealthy neighborhood to a black family or a bank not providing a loan based on someone’s race.

But HUD is looking to root out more subtle forms of discrimination that take shape in local government policies that unintentionally harm minority communities, known as “disparate impact.”

“This rule is not about forcing anyone to live anywhere they don’t want to,” said Margery Turner, senior vice president at the left-leaning Urban Institute. “It’s really about addressing long-standing practices that prevent people from living where they want to.”

“In our country, decades of public policies and institutional practices have built deeply segregated and unequal neighborhoods,” Turner said.

Children growing up in poor communities have less of a chance of succeeding in life, because they face greater exposure to violence and crime, and less access to quality education and health facilities, Turner suggested.

“Segregation is clearly a problem that is blocking upward mobility for children growing up today,” she said.

To qualify for certain funds under the regulations, cities would be required to examine patterns of segregation in neighborhoods and develop plans to address it. Those that don’t could see the funds they use to improve blighted neighborhoods disappear, critics of the rule say.

The regulations would apply to roughly 1,250 local governments.

Hans von Spakovsky, a fellow at the Heritage Foundation, called the Obama administration “too race conscious.”

“It’s a sign that this administration seems to take race into account on everything,” Spakovsky said.

Republicans are trying to block the Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing rule. Before passing HUD’s funding bill this week, the GOP-led House approved Gosar’s amendment prohibiting the agency from following through with the rule.

Though segregationist policies were outlawed long ago, civil rights advocates say housing discrimination persists.

HUD is looking to break down many barriers, but Gosar suggested the regulation would have negative repercussions.

“Instead of living with neighbors you like and choose, this breaks up the core fabric of how we start to look at communities,” Gosar said. “That just brings unease to everyone in that area.”

“People have to feel comfortable where they live,” he added. “If I don’t feel comfortable in my own backyard, where do I feel comfortable?”

Critics of the rule say it would allow HUD to assert authority over local zoning laws. The agency could dictate what types of homes are built where and who can live in those homes, said Gosar, who believes local communities should make those decisions for themselves rather than relying on the federal government.

If enacted, the rule could depress property values as cheaper homes crop up in wealthy neighborhoods and raise taxes, Gosar warned.

It could also tilt the balance of political power as more minorities are funneled into Republican-leaning neighborhoods, he suggested.

The Supreme Court is expected to weigh in on housing discrimination in a related case in the coming weeks. At issue is whether government policies that unintentionally create a disparate impact for minority communities violate federal laws against segregation.

The Texas Department of Housing and Community Affairs is facing accusations that it makes low-income housing funds more readily available in minority neighborhoods than in white neighborhoods. This promotes segregation, critics argue, by encouraging minorities to continue living in poor communities where government assistance is available.

Court observers say the case could have a profound impact on HUD’s rule.
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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2015, 12:46:56 pm »
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Children growing up in poor communities have less of a chance of succeeding in life, because they face greater exposure to violence and crime, and less access to quality education and health facilities, Turner suggested.
I suggest the gubmint's own "war on poverty," i.e., the welfare system is the major "decades old ... public polic(y) and institutional practice" that is more responsible for that unfortunate situation than anything else.
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It could also tilt the balance of political power as more minorities are funneled into Republican-leaning neighborhoods, he suggested.

That is the crux of the whole scheme - plus getting that whole "Helter-Skelter" thing going.

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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2015, 02:06:36 pm »
First act.....

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Re: Obama making bid to diversify wealthy neighborhoods
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2015, 02:17:45 pm »
Section 8 housing coming to your neighborHOOD soon..
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« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2015, 02:42:34 pm »
Section 8 housing coming to your neighborHOOD soon..
Great, let's start by putting. Sec 8 housing in both the D and R leadership home neighborhood and BiteME hood. Not going to happen :amen:

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« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2015, 02:58:06 pm »
 
The McKinney 'pool party' worked out so well that Bammy wants to replicate it across the entire country...


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« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2015, 03:40:52 pm »
Section 8 housing coming to your neighborHOOD soon..
Definitely. They were trying that in various middle-class neighborhoods in suburban Pittsburgh a few years ago, and my mother was worried about it coming to her street.
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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2015, 04:16:30 pm »
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/hud-neighborhoods-wealths-poor/2015/06/11/id/650022/
GOP Critical of New Obama Rules To Create 'Utopian' Neighborhoods


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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2015, 04:31:25 pm »
I was a Section 8 Housing Rehabilitation Specialist once.  Lots of drama!  No way do I want that in my neighborhood! 

And does anyone seriously think that the "rich" will have to suffer this? 
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No way!  This is going to be aimed straight at middle-class neighborhoods!

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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2015, 04:59:21 pm »
News flash, from the truth file. This is NOT anything new. HUD hands out "CDBG" for "Community Development Block Grants" to cities, counties and states.

In order to continue and qualify, various statistical goals must be reached, and those goals have been reached by providing housing and other services to "Low and Moderate Income individuals."

In my county, builders identify a certain number of units in a project, for this purpose. This has been going on for decades. It is NOT "new" under Obama.

One method for reaching guidelines was for new home builders to form separate corporations, buy a crappy big apartment building, rehab it and rent to Sect. 8 tenants (and other qualifying tenants). The broker that conceived and operated the "non-profit" for the builders, was a former client of mine, before she died. Name Lila Lieberthal. Quite a bright, aggressive woman, too. Orange County CA. Look it up. Here, I will do it.

http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs045/1101877930553/archive/1102667449511.html

I will venture a guess this is going on in every major population with new building; Texas, Colorado, Florida, etc. This is likely a model.

By way of facts, this particular entity started in 1990 which was the first Bush Presidency.

In my neck of the woods, people who qualify for these projects are from a lot of races. In your neck of the woods, they may be mostly blacks.
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« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2015, 05:20:48 pm »
News flash, from the truth file. This is NOT anything new. HUD hands out "CDBG" for "Community Development Block Grants" to cities, counties and states.

In order to continue and qualify, various statistical goals must be reached, and those goals have been reached by providing housing and other services to "Low and Moderate Income individuals."

In my county, builders identify a certain number of units in a project, for this purpose. This has been going on for decades. It is NOT "new" under Obama.

One method for reaching guidelines was for new home builders to form separate corporations, buy a crappy big apartment building, rehab it and rent to Sect. 8 tenants (and other qualifying tenants). The broker that conceived and operated the "non-profit" for the builders, was a former client of mine, before she died. Name Lila Lieberthal. Quite a bright, aggressive woman, too. Orange County CA. Look it up. Here, I will do it.

http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs045/1101877930553/archive/1102667449511.html

I will venture a guess this is going on in every major population with new building; Texas, Colorado, Florida, etc. This is likely a model.

By way of facts, this particular entity started in 1990 which was the first Bush Presidency.

In my neck of the woods, people who qualify for these projects are from a lot of races. In your neck of the woods, they may be mostly blacks.

You're exactly right ts.  I worked in our city's Community Development and Block Grants Department in the early eighties after Reagan became president.  I remember people in my department griping about Reagan cutting back on funding.  We did some good work, fixing a lot of elderly people's homes - even though they were the very ones that didn't want any "charity".  We targeted certain low income neighborhoods and went door to door drumming up homeowners and landlords to participate in the program.  We had to spend every penny of every grant - or next year they would punish us with a smaller grant.  I performed inspections for the Section 8 department too - and that's where most of the crap happened - scummy renters and slumlords.

We had a few blacks in the programs, but in our neck of the woods - it was majority white trailer trash.  I went into that job as a stupid semi-liberal - thinking how great it was going to be that I was going to be able to be a force for GOOD in my community!  I left that job completely disillusioned and seeing for myself that hand-outs do not help - except for a one-time emergency type thing.  You never "get it" until you have put forth some effort to gain something.

 

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« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2015, 07:02:45 pm »
You're exactly right ts. 

My point was to inform folks here that the headline that complains that it is Obama and it is only just now, is a total crock.

When the program I cited above was started GHW Bush was the President (1990), and the location was Irvine, California. Irvine is well known as an upscale neighborhood.

Conservatives have to up their game, instead of making false claims. My feeling is conservatism must up the game. In this internet age, they can NOT get away with any old false claim.
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« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2015, 07:39:21 pm »
My neighborhood is already very diverse, not because of government intervention but because we are in an area that still believes in the power of enterprise and stretching goals. The areas around me where i see governments intervening is where I see a lack of diversity.

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« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2015, 07:41:52 pm »
We have construction going up all over wealthy Montgomery County, Maryland neighborhoods.  Rentals.

Paid for by no doubt, federal monies.  They're dropping Section 8 "folks" right where there are Beemers and Benzes...and Teslas as common as Toyota Celicas.
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« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2015, 08:35:12 pm »
We have construction going up all over wealthy Montgomery County, Maryland neighborhoods.  Rentals.

Paid for by no doubt, federal monies.  They're dropping Section 8 "folks" right where there are Beemers and Benzes...and Teslas as common as Toyota Celicas.
And it has been going on since BEFORE Obama, correct?

And you as a RE professional can understand my real world example, whereby Mrs. Lieberthal facilitated arrangements for several builders to pool their money in non-profits, buy apartment buildings, rehab them and rent to Sect. 8, in exchange for approval to build homes for sale to the Beemer owners.

And along with that are lawfirms, investment bankers, who arrange for the resale of said non-profits taking advantage of legislated tax breaks for owners of low cost housing.

Said lawfirms and investment bankers are often eventual sources of employment for elected officials.

The legal, financial, political nuts and bolts would well be the subject of work by firms such as Goldman Sachs, as an example.

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« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2015, 08:37:33 pm »
They've been trying to do this since 1968, when the Fair Housing Act basically told everyone you have no say in choosing your neighbors.
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« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2015, 08:49:11 pm »
They've been trying to do this since 1968, when the Fair Housing Act basically told everyone you have no say in choosing your neighbors.
1. Who is "they?"

2. Ever heard of moving? Of white flight?
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Obama Administration Seeks To Diversify Wealthier Communities Through HUD Provision

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A proposed rule by the United States Department of Housing and Urban Development seeks to bring affordable housing to communities where it is lacking in a move critics believe could take zoning power away from the hands of local communities.

The Fair Housing Act was originally passed to prevent people from being discriminated against as they seek to purchase or rent a new home. Some believe though that this law has not been effective enough.

“Having this new regulation will spell things out more clearly so jurisdictions will know what they are supposed to do to fulfill their affirmatively furthering housing obligations,” Debby Goldberg, a special project director at the National Fair Housing Alliance told The Daily Caller Thursday.

“We’ve learned a lot in the last 40 years or so since the Fair Housing Act has been passed about the benefits of diverse and inclusive communities,” Goldberg said. “Regions that have more diversity and are more inclusive have more robust economics, businesses do better when their workforce and customer base are more diverse, kids do better in school when their classmates are a more diverse bunch.”

 
As part of this proposed provision, HUD will give local communities data that includes concentrated areas poverty, and patterns of segregation.

“From these data, program participants will evaluate their present environment to assess fair housing issues, identify the primary determinants that account for those issues, and set forth fair housing priorities and goals.”

Some believe though that through the threat of withholding important funds, local communities will be stripped of their zoning powers.

This is what has led Rep. Paul Gosar from Arizona to attach, and pass through the House an amendment on the Transportation, Housing and Urban Development, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act for Fiscal Year 2015, which will prohibit HUD from implementing its Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing Rule.
 
 

“It can definitely affect housing prices; It can be absolutely detrimental for a lot of communities, where they know what’s best for them. They know how to make the best decisions,” Steven Smith, press secretary for Rep. Gosar told TheDC.

Critics fear that if passed the provision could have an effect of districts similar to gerrymandering.

“This will definitely will be pushing communities to resemble like urban areas, where Democrats typically have more political support,” Smith said.

In the past, monies for affordable housing have been concentrated in poorer areas, though this rule seeks to shift affordable housing into, “communities that have lots of other good attributes; good schools, good jobs, good transportation, but don’t have any affordable housing or very limited affordable housing,” Goldberg said.

Hans von Spakovsky, a senior legal fellow with the Heritage Foundation, sees this less as a political problem and more of an abuse of federal power, in which Obama’s ideological views on what communities should look like are forced on local jurisdictions.

Not only that, but that, “This would speed up the decay of poor urban neighborhoods, because it is going to divert money out of those neighborhoods into wealthier areas of the country, and that runs directly contrariety to the whole purpose of the Fair Housing Act.”

“The law itself says, ‘the preference should be for placing money into poor neighborhoods because that is where they need federal money to improve housing.'”

The disparate impact theory, which is the basis for this provision, is currently up before the U.S Supreme Court. The plaintiffs believe that the Texas State Housing Authority practiced segregation by only placing funds for affordable housing in poorer neighborhoods.

Von Spakosky is confident the ruling will have the Supreme Court saying, “look, the Fair Housing Act only prohibits intentional discrimination you can’t use it under the disparate impact theory.”

The Obama administration seems to be hurrying up this provision before that ruling comes down, possibly fearing a ruling not in their favor.

Gosar’s office is confident Senate Republicans will make his amendment a priority to be included in the Senate version of the appropriations bill.

HUD and the White House have been keeping this new provision under the radar, and Smith believes, “that’s the strategy behind it because most people will be outraged to find out that the Federal government is trying to strip away local authority to their own communities.”



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Some believe though that through the threat of withholding important funds, local communities will be stripped of their zoning powers.

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