Dems hope for Cruz, fear Bush

[Luis Gonzalez]

You can try splitting hairs, but I've made my point.  We frequently tend to use the term "hyperbole" to counter something we disagree with.

Suggesting that Bruce Jenner is a hero of today, which would make him a hero to all is hyperbole.

[MACVSOG68]

BTW, I don't see acceptance of SSM after millennia of non-acceptance as constituting a "sudden shift".

It's more a factor of the people who opposed it dying off and being replaced by people who are more likely to accept change than not. And after all, all organic societal change is liberal in nature.

I would call any such dramatic shift in opinion only 3 or 4 years ago after millennia a sudden shift.  But who's counting?  Again, most conservatives have accepted it regardless of how they personally feel.  It's the rest of it that is turning into the elephant in the room.  It's happening in our schools, our theaters, the kids' rooms, the playground, and everywhere that the left has influence.  And since no one seems to really be talking about it, it simply continues and is thus the elephant in the room.  It's far more than gay marriage.

[MACVSOG68]

Suggesting that Bruce Jenner is a hero of today, which would make him a hero to all is hyperbole.

No one is a hero to all.  That is hyperbole.

[Luis Gonzalez]

No one is a hero to all.  That is hyperbole.

So then, what is " the hero of today" if not a hero to all today?

[MACVSOG68]

So then, what is " the hero of today" if not a hero to all today?

Was that a serious question?  Matthew Shepard was considered a hero of his day, while at the same time young Jesse Dirkhising also murdered in that period was totally ignored.  Unfortunately the first anniversary of Shepard's death was taking place, and there was no room in the press for a preteen boy tortured and murdered by two black gays. 

But I won't argue your point that there can be no heroes of the day unless they are a hero to every living person. Choose another word, but the meaning remains.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Was that a serious question?  Matthew Shepard was considered a hero of his day, while at the same time young Jesse Dirkhising also murdered in that period was totally ignored.  Unfortunately the first anniversary of Shepard's death was taking place, and there was no room in the press for a preteen boy tortured and murdered by two black gays. 

But I won't argue your point that there can be no heroes of the day unless they are a hero to every living person. Choose another word, but the meaning remains.

To who exactly?

I, along with millions, thought that Shepard's murder was wrong. Didn't you?

Don't you think that someone getting tortured, beaten and left to die because of their sexual orientation is wrong?

Doesn't Shepard deserve pity for the manner in which his life ended?

Answering "yes" to either question does not make Shepard a hero. It makes him a victim.

Yes, Dirkhising's murder received less press, then again, there were many other murders that took place between the two which received little or no press at all.

Getting press coverage makes one notorious, not a hero.

Shepard became a symbol to some, not a "hero of his day."

[MACVSOG68]

To who exactly?

I, along with millions, thought that Shepard's murder was wrong. Didn't you?

Don't you think that someone getting tortured, beaten and left to die because of their sexual orientation is wrong?

Doesn't Shepard deserve pity for the manner in which his life ended?

Answering "yes" to either question does not make Shepard a hero. It makes him a victim.

Yes, Dirkhising's murder received less press, then again, there were many other murders that took place between the two which received little or no press at all.

Getting press coverage makes one notorious, not a hero.

Shepard became a symbol to some, not a "hero of his day."

You use your term, I'll use mine.  We both know exactly what I'm talking about. 

[Luis Gonzalez]

You use your term, I'll use mine.  We both know exactly what I'm talking about.

Yes we do.

Hyperbole.


 

[MACVSOG68]

 

 

Indeed.  Would prefer getting back to substance.

 

[Formerly Once-Ler]

What I actually said was that there was no one who was going to beat Johnson so soon after Kennedy's death and the establishment has taken  FULL advantage of that fact by attempting to attribute Goldwater's loss to his conservatism rather than the circumstances.

OK,  I see the distinction now.  Thanx for clarifying.