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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2015, 02:16:57 pm »
Mostly his page is a bunch of image memes (and I don't have time to go through each and type it out in translate) but many seem political or activist in nature, that's what I'm curious about.

Well I don't have time to do it for you either...


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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2015, 02:18:33 pm »
Well I don't have time to do it for you either...

Well darn it, there needs to be a law demanding the government subsidize the time for this to take place. :)

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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2015, 02:29:03 pm »
Just speculating, but here is an image of an Airbus 320 cockpit door. Notice the proximity to the bathroom. When the pilot left, maybe to go to the bathroom, could someone have slipped by him, maybe stepping out of the bathroom, and into the cockpit. IE a third party?

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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #29 on: March 26, 2015, 02:31:26 pm »
Since nothing is outrageous anymore, could there be any linkage between this pilot and the MH370 pilot? 

This will take some turns before we know what happened (if ever).
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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #30 on: March 26, 2015, 02:55:52 pm »
I see a based-on-a-true-story novel ahead. Of course the movie version has Denzel battling the bad guy, wresting control of the plane and in the last second pulling out of a steep dive, saving everyone onboard except for the bloody, mangled, impaled terrorist in the copilot's seat next to him.


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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #31 on: March 26, 2015, 04:54:56 pm »
I see a based-on-a-true-story novel ahead. Of course the movie version has Denzel battling the bad guy, wresting control of the plane and in the last second pulling out of a steep dive, saving everyone onboard except for the bloody, mangled, impaled terrorist in the copilot's seat next to him.
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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #32 on: March 26, 2015, 06:46:20 pm »

Members of the flight crew can open the door to the flight deck from the outside by means of a keypad code. However, this ability can be overriden manually by a crew member on the inside.
 
It is truly beginning to sound like a deliberate act.

The doors have a manually operated lock, which is a foot activated bolt that goes into the floor. Anyone on the outside is not getting in, when that lock is down.

America has a 2-person in the cockpit rule at all times, Europe does not.   That is a rule that they should be changing this very hour.
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/26/germanwings-crash-prompts-airlines-to-introduce-cockpit-rule-of-two

 Germanwings crash prompts airlines to introduce cockpit ‘rule of two’

Some airlines say they will change rules to ensure two crew are always in cockpit after Airbus A320 pilot is locked out before crash


 The interior of the cockpit of the crashed Germanwings A320 aircraft with the identification number D-AIPX at the airport in Dusseldorf, Germany before it crashed in France. Photograph: Marius Palmen/EPA

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Some airlines are to change their rules to ensure two crew members are in plane cockpits at all times, after a co-pilot appeared to deliberately crash a Germanwings plane into the French Alps this week, killing all 150 on board.

Questions have been raised about the lack of a “rule of two” among European carriers after Andreas Lubitz, 27, apparently crashed the Airbus A320 on Tuesday while the captain was locked out of the flight deck.

Two low-cost European carriers – easyJet and Norwegian Air Shuttle – said on Thursday that they would bring the new rule into effect almost immediately.

“EasyJet can confirm that, with effect from tomorrow … it will change its procedure,” the airline said in a statement, adding that the decision had been taken in consultation with the UK’s Civil Aviation Authority.

Norwegian’s flight operations director, Thomas Hesthammer, said: “We have been discussing this for a long time but this development has accelerated things. When one person leaves the cockpit, two people will now have to be there.”

Air Canada and the Canadian charter airline Air Transat also said they would require two people to be in the cockpit at all times.

The CAA said it had asked all UK carriers to review procedures. “Following the details that have emerged regarding the tragic Germanwings incident, we are coordinating closely with colleagues at the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) and have contacted all UK operators to require them to review all relevant procedures,” a spokesman said.

A “rule of two” is routine among US carriers.

The US Federal Aviation Authority said in a statement: “US airlines have to develop procedures that the FAA approves. Those procedures include a requirement that, when one of the pilots exits the cockpit for any reason, another qualified crew member must lock the door and remain on the flight deck until the pilot returns to his or her station. A qualified crew member could be a flight attendant or a relief pilot serving as part of the crew.”

According to rules set out by the European Aviation Safety Agency, pilots must remain at their “assigned station” throughout the flight, “unless absence is necessary for the performance of duties in connection with the operation or for physiological needs”.

At this point, one pilot can leave the cockpit provided “at least one suitably qualified pilot remains at the controls of the aircraft at all times”.

French officials said Lubitz appeared to have locked his fellow pilot out of the cockpit before he deliberately crashed the plane. Emergency codes allow crew to enter a locked cockpit in the event of incapacitated pilots, but Lubitz would have been able to override it – a post-9/11 security measure intended to prevent hijack.

In a press conference after the tragedy, Lufthansa’s chief executive, Carsten Spohr, said the company had full trust in its pilots and those flying for its low-cost division, Germanwings.

“In a company like ours where we are so proud of our selection criteria, our safety criteria, this is even more of a shock for us than it is for the general public,” said Spohr. “We can only speculate on what might have been the motivation of the co-pilot.”

He defended the company’s policy of allowing one pilot to operate alone in the cockpit, saying that rival operators used the same system.

US airlines have different systems for minimising the risk to pilots while flying, which often involve using food carts as makeshift barricades.

“Every airline in the United States has procedures designed to ensure that there is never a situation where a pilot is left alone in the cockpit,” said a representative for the Air Line Pilots Association.
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According to rules set out by the European Aviation Safety Agency, pilots must remain at their “assigned station” throughout the flight, “unless absence is necessary for the performance of duties in connection with the operation or for physiological needs”.

I've been on long haul Lufthansa and Korean Air flights and have noticed almost every time, about half way in, the pilots each come out and chit chat with the flight attendants and people near the front. I assume to stretch their legs.

What this will mean for short haul, budget carriers is allocating a third qualified pilot on every flight to hand off duties when one of the pilots needs to perform 'another function'. Waiting to see the wailing and gnashing of teeth when people see increases in their fares.

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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #35 on: March 26, 2015, 10:28:02 pm »
Co-pilot battling depression, according to reports
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Co-pilot who rammed plane into Alps ‘battled depression’
By David K. Li and Danika Fears
March 26, 2015 | 9:37am

The 27-year-old co-pilot who “intentionally” crashed Germanwings Flight 9525 into the French Alps seemed jazzed about his job with the low-cost carrier — but had battled depression in the past, according to reports.

Andreas Lubitz grew up in the small town of Montabaur, Germany, and had been a member of the flying club Luftsportclub Westerwal since his teen years.

“Andreas became a member of the association as a teenager, he wanted to realize his dream of flying. He began as a gliding student and made it to become a pilot on an Airbus 320,” according to a statement from the club.

Club member Peter Ruecker said he didn’t sense Lubitz was suffering from any emotional or psychological problems.

“He was happy he had a job with Germanwings and he was doing well,” Ruecker said. “He seemed very enthusiastic [about his career]. I can’t remember anything where something wasn’t right.”

But Lubitz told one of his classmates that he had taken time off from his pilot training because he was suffering from depression, according to the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung.

“Apparently he had a burnout, he was in depression,” the classmate’s mom told the newspaper ....
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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #36 on: March 27, 2015, 01:36:25 am »
Well according to this, he was a convert and guess what religion:


The co-pilot of the Germanwings Airbus was a convert to Islam
http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.1086/the-co-pilot-of-the-germanwings-airbus-was-a-convert-to-islam.html


Granted it hasn't been verified, but if true, look out..
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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #37 on: March 27, 2015, 02:15:33 am »


Well, this has got to rank as one of the more notable engineering failures in modern times.

A secret method for qualified personnel to open the cockpit door from the outside in an emergency -- UNLESS someone in the cockpit overrides it!

Well, then, what could go wrong?

Looks like it's back to the drawing board on this one.

Ahem.... "rule of two" in the cockpit?
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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #38 on: March 27, 2015, 02:27:13 am »
On Boeings, the electronic lock can not be over-ridden from inside the cockpit. The outside over-ride control has priority. This is to ensure access can be gained to the cockpit in a serious emergency, such as both pilots being incapacitated and failing to respond to the 20 minute check.

There is a manual deadbolt inside the cockpit door, instead.
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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #39 on: March 27, 2015, 02:59:06 pm »
Germanwings co-pilot's torn sick note, romantic breakup provide clues in crash probe

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/03/27/investigators-raid-germanwings-co-pilot-homes-as-questions-surround-mental/?intcmp=trending

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Germanwings co-pilot Andreas Lubitz ripped up a doctor’s note excusing him from work on the day he crashed a crowded passenger plane into a mountain, prosecutors said Friday, while a German newspaper said the man may have just gone through a breakup with his girlfriend.

Prosecutors in Germany reported Friday that Lubitz was being treated for a medical illness that he hid from his employer. Investigators found torn-up doctor's notes, including one excusing him from work on the day of the crash, and other documents in searches at the home of Lubitz's parents and at an apartment he maintained in Dusseldorf. The evidence could provide clues as to why he apparently deliberately crashed the Airbus A320 into the French Alps Tuesday morning, killing all 150 people on board.

Prosecutor's spokesman Ralf Herrenbrueck said in a written statement that a doctor's note for the day of the crash "supports] the current preliminary assessment that the deceased hid his illness from his employer and colleagues."

Herrenbrueck said investigators did not find a so-called "Suicide Note" or a letter claiming evidence of a political or religious background leading up to the event.
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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #40 on: March 27, 2015, 03:27:04 pm »

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BREAKING: Duesseldorf clinic says media reports that Germanwings co-pilot Andreas Lubitz was treated there for depression are wrong. Reuters


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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #41 on: March 27, 2015, 03:29:20 pm »
The puddin' thickens.....

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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #42 on: March 27, 2015, 04:02:18 pm »
Question for the forum.....what if the pilot had not left the cockpit? Was the co-pilot going to crash the plane anyway????


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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #43 on: March 27, 2015, 04:18:10 pm »
Question for the forum.....what if the pilot had not left the cockpit? Was the co-pilot going to crash the plane anyway????

At this point the answer to your question is probably unknowable.
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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #44 on: March 27, 2015, 04:33:56 pm »
The puddin' thickens.....

Governments, the airline and the media will continue to push the 'depression' meme to keep the peeps in the dark about the real threat...

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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #45 on: March 27, 2015, 04:34:55 pm »
Question for the forum.....what if the pilot had not left the cockpit? Was the co-pilot going to crash the plane anyway????

If not that flight, then the next one or the one after that.

It was just a matter of time until the opportunity presented itself...

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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #46 on: March 27, 2015, 05:38:20 pm »
If not that flight, then the next one or the one after that.

It was just a matter of time until the opportunity presented itself...
That makes sense.