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Obama's Snub of Nato's Chief Has Europeans Worried
« on: March 25, 2015, 10:13:28 am »

Obama's Snub of Nato's Chief Has Europeans Worried
 
 
 

Tuesday, 24 Mar 2015 07:58 PM


President Barack Obama has yet to meet with the new head of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, and won't see Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg this week, even though he is in Washington for three days.  Stoltenberg’s office requested a meeting with Obama well in advance of the visit, but never heard anything from the White House, two sources close to the NATO chief told me.

The leaders of almost all the other 28 NATO member countries have made time for Stoltenberg since he took over the world's largest military alliance in October. Stoltenberg, twice the prime minister of Norway, met Monday with Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper in Ottawa to discuss the threat of the Islamic State and the crisis in Ukraine, two issues near the top of Obama's agenda.

Kurt Volker, who served as the U.S. permanent representative to NATO under both President George W. Bush and Obama, said the president broke a long tradition.  “The Bush administration held a firm line that if the NATO secretary general came to town, he would be seen by the president ... so as not to diminish his stature or authority,” he told me.

America's commitment to defend its NATO allies is its biggest treaty obligation, said Volker, adding that European security is at its most perilous moment since the Cold War. Russia has moved troops and weapons into eastern Ukraine, annexed Crimea, placed nuclear-capable missiles in striking distance of NATO allies, flown strategic-bomber mock runs in the North Atlantic, practiced attack approaches on the UK and Sweden, and this week threatened to aim nuclear missiles at Denmark’s warships.

“It is hard for me to believe that the president of the United States has not found the time to meet with the current secretary general of NATO given the magnitude of what this implies, and the responsibilities of his office,” Volker said.

Bernadette Meehan, a spokeswoman for the National Security Council, declined to say why Obama didn’t respond to Stoltenberg’s request. “We don’t have any meetings to announce at this time,” she told me in a statement. Sources told me that Stoltenberg was able to arrange a last-minute meeting with Defense Secretary Ashton Carter.

According to White House press releases, Obama didn’t exactly have a packed schedule. On Tuesday, he held important meetings and a press conference with Afghan President Ashraf Ghani at the White House (Ghani will meet with Stoltenberg while they are both in town). But the only event on Obama’s public schedule for Wednesday is a short speech to kick off a meeting related to the Affordable Care Act. On Thursday, he will head to Alabama to give a speech about the economy.

Stoltenberg is in town primarily for theNATO Transformation Seminar, a once-a-year strategic brainstorming session that brings together NATO’s leadership with experts and top officials from the host country. The event is organized by the Allied Command Transformation in Norfolk, Virginia, and the Atlantic Council.

“The focus of this year’s seminar is to think through how best to update NATO’s strategy given real threats in the east and the south, against the backdrop of a dramatically changing world,” said Damon Wilson, a former NSC senior director for Europe who is now with the Atlantic Council. “The practical focus is to begin developing the road map to the next NATO summit, which will take place in Warsaw in July 2016, a summit which will presumably be the capstone and last summit for the Obama administration.”

Last year, the seminar was hosted in Paris, and then-NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen got a separate bilateral meeting with President Francois Hollande of France.

Last Friday, at the German Marshall Fund Brussels Forum, Stoltenberg talked about the importance of close coordination inside NATO in order to first confront Russian aggression and then eventually move toward a stable relationship with Moscow.

“The only way we can have the confidence to engage with Russia," he said, "is to have the confidence and the strength which is provided by strong collective defense, the NATO alliance."

Polish President Bronislaw Komorowski told the Brussels Forum that there has been a worrisome lag between NATO’s promises of more defensive equipment for Poland and what has actually arrived, a blow to the alliance's credibility. “It’s very important and necessary for everyone to have the conviction, including the potential aggressor to have this conviction, that NATO is truly determined to execute contingency plans,” he said.

The White House missed a perfect opportunity to reinforce that message this week in snubbing Stoltenberg. It fits into a narrative pushed by Obama critics that he would rather meet with problematic leaders such as Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al- Abadi, who will get an Oval Office meeting next month, than firm allies. The message Russian President Vladimir Putin will take away is that the White House-NATO relationship is rocky, and he will be right.


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Re: Obama's Snub of Nato's Chief Has Europeans Worried
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2015, 12:35:14 pm »
Seriously?

Look - I know the Worm doesn't want to be bothered with actually, you know, DOING HIS bleep JOB, but is their not one single person in his advisors with enough brains to pour piss out of a boot?
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Re: Obama's Snub of Nato's Chief Has Europeans Worried
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2015, 01:03:27 pm »
This is beyond embarrassing--it's dangerously destabilizing, by sending the absolute wrong message to our enemies.

Americans comforted themselves that they were magnanimous voting for Obama the first time; making history and all that politically correct nonsense. And, yes, we stupidly voted for Obama the second time.

But, I can't believe the electorate voted for this.
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Re: Obama's Snub of Nato's Chief Has Europeans Worried
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2015, 01:07:40 pm »
Seriously?

Look - I know the Worm doesn't want to be bothered with actually, you know, DOING HIS bleep JOB, but is their not one single person in his advisors with enough brains to pour piss out of a boot?

Europeans were thrilled by Obama. They cheered that the US finally had enough brains to elect someone that Europeans could embrace. Europeans illegally funneled money to Obama.

Now, Europeans get to share in our fate.

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Re: Obama's Snub of Nato's Chief Has Europeans Worried
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2015, 01:10:19 pm »
This is beyond embarrassing--it's dangerously destabilizing, by sending the absolute wrong message to our enemies.

Americans comforted themselves that they were magnanimous voting for Obama the first time; making history and all that politically correct nonsense. And, yes, we stupidly voted for Obama the second time.

But, I don't believe the electorate voted for this.

The electorate voted for the cool black guy. They don't care about this stuff.

Obama has always been uncomfortable with our NATO allies and has embraced the Middle East. Obama is now free to form alliances with the likes of Iran.

America has always been a muslim country, right?
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« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2015, 01:21:02 pm »
"For the first time in my adult life....", I fear this Spring, Summer and beyond.  He's got blacks riled and he damned sure has freedom-loving Americans over 40 riled.

Indeed, something evil this way comes.
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Re: Obama's Snub of Nato's Chief Has Europeans Worried
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2015, 02:09:59 pm »
"For the first time in my adult life....", I fear this Spring, Summer and beyond.  He's got blacks riled and he damned sure has freedom-loving Americans over 40 riled.

Indeed, something evil this way comes.

I am highly certain of this, and have said so in this space. I have feared to admit to such a belief before, partially out of sheer hope and partially for fear of ridicule.
 
But as time has passed, it has become increasingly apparent to me that Obama is not merely wrong-headed, mistaken, or misinformed, but instead: intentionally destructive of American values and interests.
 
I cannot think of even a single instance during his interminable Presidency - not once - when given a choice, he has acted in this country's interests.
 
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Re: Obama's Snub of Nato's Chief Has Europeans Worried
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2015, 02:16:47 pm »

I am highly certain of this, and have said so in this space. I have feared to admit to such a belief before, partially out of sheer hope and partially for fear of ridicule.
 
But as time has passed, it has become increasingly apparent to me that Obama is not merely wrong-headed, mistaken, or misinformed, but instead: intentionally destructive of American values and interests.
 
I cannot think of even a single instance during his interminable Presidency - not once - when given a choice, he has acted in this country's interests.

I am in absolute agreement with you on that but came to the conclusion that he is a foreign agent a LONG time ago.
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Re: Obama's Snub of Nato's Chief Has Europeans Worried
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2015, 02:26:19 pm »

I am highly certain of this, and have said so in this space. I have feared to admit to such a belief before, partially out of sheer hope and partially for fear of ridicule.
 
But as time has passed, it has become increasingly apparent to me that Obama is not merely wrong-headed, mistaken, or misinformed, but instead: intentionally destructive of American values and interests.
 
I cannot think of even a single instance during his interminable Presidency - not once - when given a choice, he has acted in this country's interests.

Agreed. For years I gave Obama the benefit of doubt; attributing his actions to incompetence, not malice.

I was wrong. The sad thing is he told me all along I was wrong when he first said he wanted to "fundamentally change America."

Our response to that promised objective should have been a question. Exactly what do you wish to fundamentally change about America, Mr. Obama?

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Re: Obama's Snub of Nato's Chief Has Europeans Worried
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2015, 02:34:12 pm »
Agreed. For years I gave Obama the benefit of doubt; attributing his actions to incompetence, not malice.

I was wrong. The sad thing is he told me all along I was wrong when he first said he wanted to "fundamentally change America."

Our response to that promised objective should have been a question. Exactly what do you wish to fundamentally change about America, Mr. Obama?

An honest answer to that would question would have been: "America".
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Re: Obama's Snub of Nato's Chief Has Europeans Worried
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2015, 02:46:51 pm »
There was a big guy. This dude was huge.
(He had to be, if he was going to mess with me, and he was)
He came up to me in a bar, aggressively.
He wanted to fight.

I asked him, why? What it is about me you don't like.
Maybe I can change? I really wanted to be friendly with this guy.
He was a gorilla. And that is always a good friend to have.

The last words I remember was him saying, "Your face".
Woke up in jail, again.

Sometimes, you just gotta do what you gotta do. There is no getting out of it.
You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
If they kill their own with no conscience, there is nothing to stop them from killing you.
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« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2015, 03:42:20 pm »
There was a big guy. This dude was huge.
(He had to be, if he was going to mess with me, and he was)
He came up to me in a bar, aggressively.
He wanted to fight.

I asked him, why? What it is about me you don't like.
Maybe I can change? I really wanted to be friendly with this guy.
He was a gorilla. And that is always a good friend to have.

The last words I remember was him saying, "Your face".
Woke up in jail, again.

Sometimes, you just gotta do what you gotta do. There is no getting out of it.

LOL!   I want you in my foxhole, 240....when the flag goes up.   :patriot:
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« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2015, 04:03:28 pm »
The larger point was, that Obama is never going to stop. His animosity for America, Europe, and especially Israel, cannot be appeased or adjusted. His hate is too deep. The fact that his best friend is Iran, tells you all you need to know.

Sometimes, you just gotta do what you gotta do.

Weird fact about that story is, the guy left me alone. He never did sue me for his hospital bills, even though I was waiting for it. Of course, all of that was years ago. I am much am a much nicer guy now. I try my best to stay out of trouble.
You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
If they kill their own with no conscience, there is nothing to stop them from killing you.
Rational fear and anger at vicious murderous Islamic terrorists is the same as irrational antisemitism, according to the Leftists.

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Re: Obama's Snub of Nato's Chief Has Europeans Worried
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2015, 04:09:59 pm »
The larger point was, that Obama is never going to stop. His animosity for America, Europe, and especially Israel, cannot be appeased or adjusted. His hate is too deep. The fact that his best friend is Iran, tells you all you need to know.

Sometimes, you just gotta do what you gotta do.

You are ABSOLUTELY right!
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Re: Obama's Snub of Nato's Chief Has Europeans Worried
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2015, 05:26:47 pm »
aligncare wrote above:
[[ Americans comforted themselves that they were magnanimous voting for Obama the first time; making history and all that politically correct nonsense. And, yes, we stupidly voted for Obama the second time.
But, I can't believe the electorate voted for this. ]]


When it comes to "who the electorate will vote for"....

.... you ain't seen nuthin' yet, pal -- just wait !!

Hint:
This has as much, or perhaps quite more, to do with the electorate, than it does with the candidates...

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Re: Obama's Snub of Nato's Chief Has Europeans Worried
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2015, 06:16:27 pm »
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This has as much, or perhaps quite more, to do with the electorate, than it does with the candidates...

Indeed it does.  We can handle the occasional bad President, but not an electorate that's unworthy of our system of government.
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Re: Obama's Snub of Nato's Chief Has Europeans Worried
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2015, 06:52:34 pm »
“It is hard for me to believe that the president of the United States has not found the time to meet with the current secretary general of NATO given the magnitude of what this implies, and the responsibilities of his office,” Volker said.

Sheesh... a guy can't even get a game of golf in once in a while...


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Re: Obama's Snub of Nato's Chief Has Europeans Worried
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2015, 07:04:37 pm »
When are these Euroweenies going to figgr out that this guy is a complete con man and unless you're a muzlum, he doesn't give a shiiite.

You bought him....enjoy!.
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