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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/03/09/republicans-are-beginning-to-act-as-though-barack-obama-isnt-even-the-president/

 By Paul Waldman March 9 at 12:16 PM

It’s safe to say that no president in modern times has had his legitimacy questioned by the opposition party as much as Barack Obama. But as his term in office enters its final phase, Republicans are embarking on an entirely new enterprise: They have decided that as long as he holds the office of the presidency, it’s no longer necessary to respect the office itself.

Is that a bit hyperbolic? Maybe. But this news is nothing short of stunning:

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    A group of 47 Republican senators has written an open letter to Iran’s leaders warning them that any nuclear deal they sign with President Barack Obama’s administration won’t last after Obama leaves office.

    Organized by freshman Senator Tom Cotton and signed by the chamber’s entire party leadership as well as potential 2016 presidential contenders Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, the letter is meant not just to discourage the Iranian regime from signing a deal but also to pressure the White House into giving Congress some authority over the process.

    “It has come to our attention while observing your nuclear negotiations with our government that you may not fully understand our constitutional system … Anything not approved by Congress is a mere executive agreement,” the senators wrote. “The next president could revoke such an executive agreement with the stroke of a pen and future Congresses could modify the terms of the agreement at any time.”

It’s one thing to criticize the administration’s actions, or try to impede them through the legislative process. But to directly communicate with a foreign power in order to undermine ongoing negotiations? That is appalling. And just imagine what those same Republicans would have said if Democratic senators had tried such a thing when George W. Bush was president.

The only direct precedent I can think of for this occurred in 1968, when as a presidential candidate Richard Nixon secretly communicated with the government of South Vietnam in an attempt to scuttle peace negotiations the Johnson administration was engaged in. It worked: those negotiations failed, and the war dragged on for another seven years. Many people are convinced that what Nixon did was an act of treason; at the very least it was a clear violation of the Logan Act, which prohibits American citizens from communicating with foreign governments to conduct their own foreign policy.

This move by Republicans is not quite at that level. As Dan Drezner wrote, “I don’t think an open letter from members of the legislative branch quite rises to Logan Act violations, but if there’s ever a trolling amendment to the Logan Act, this would qualify,” and at least it’s out in the open. But it makes clear that they believe that when they disagree with an administration policy, they can act as though Barack Obama isn’t even the president of the United States.

And it isn’t just in foreign affairs. In an op-ed last week in the Lexington Herald-Leader, Mitch McConnell urged states to refuse to comply with proposed rules on greenhouse gas emissions from the Environmental Protection Agency. Never mind that agency regulations like these have the force of law, and the Supreme Court has upheld the EPA’s responsibility under the Clean Air Act to regulate carbon emissions — if you don’t like the law, just act as though it doesn’t apply to you. “I can’t recall a majority leader calling on states to disobey the law,” said Barbara Boxer, the ranking Democrat on the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, “and I’ve been here almost 24 years.”

The American political system runs according to a whole series of norms, many of which we don’t notice until they’re violated. For instance, the Speaker of the House can invite a foreign leader to address Congress for the sole purpose of criticizing the administration, and he can even do it without letting the White House know in advance. There’s no law against it. But doing so violates a norm not only of simple respect and courtesy, but one that says that the exercise of foreign policy belongs to the administration. Congress can advise, criticize, and legislate to shape it, but if they simply take it upon themselves to make their own foreign policy, they’ve gone too far.

But as has happened so many times before, Republicans seem to have concluded that there is one set of rules and norms that apply in ordinary times, and an entirely different set that applies when Barack Obama is the president. You no longer need to show the president even a modicum of respect. You can tell states to ignore the law. You can sabotage delicate negotiations with a hostile foreign power by communicating directly with that power.

I wonder what they’d say if you asked them whether it would be acceptable for Democrats to treat the next Republican president that way. My guess is that the question wouldn’t even make sense to them. After all, that person would be a Republican. So how could anyone even think of such a thing?

 
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George W. Bush was treated that way, Waldman. Nancy Pelosi went to Syria, in direct opposition to a White House request, to meet with Assad in 2007.   And Baghdad Jim McDermott went to meet with Saddam Hussein just prior to the Iraq War.

So, it's already been done, bub. And, when Obama decides to ignore immigration law and his own healthcare law, the president himself has dissed the role of COngress.

What goes around, comes around.
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Let's see we have a president that acts on his own and sidesteps Congress.  I don't see this action by Congress as bypassing the president at all; rather than making it known that Constitutionally the president cannot act on his own in this case.  Our president acting on his giving nukes or allowing another country carte blanche with nuclear power without the full consent of Congress is just a tad concerning and poses a tremendous national security risk don't you think?

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It's also a norm for the president to work with congressional minority leaders.  Yet Barack Obama met with McConnell a total of only three times in six years.

It's also a norm for the president to respect the Constitution. But, Obama, well....

So you see, Barack is not a normal president.

Secondly, when a democrat president is in office the media is in love. And hard-hitting investigative news stories about presidential scandals run the gamut from who the president's clothier and chef is, to which NCAA teams the president chooses for March madness.

But when a Republican president is in office the media suddenly find their journalism skills and go into full attack mode. So you see, the American press corps is not a norm either. They're a fifth column.
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It’s one thing to criticize the administration’s actions, or try to impede them through the legislative process. But to directly communicate with a foreign power in order to undermine ongoing negotiations? That is appalling. And just imagine what those same Republicans would have said if Democratic senators had tried such a thing when George W. Bush was president.
An open letter is not a direct communication. We don't even know if this was sent direct to Iran, although its foreign ministers appear to have seen it.

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Many people are convinced that what Nixon did was an act of treason; at the very least it was a clear violation of the Logan Act, which prohibits American citizens from communicating with foreign governments to conduct their own foreign policy.
Treason is giving the enemy aid and comfort; the Constitution says as much. The First Amendment also allows an American citizen to speak freely and prohibits Congress from passing laws against it; thus, the Logan Act is a textbook example of a law that is, on its face, unconstitutional. Unless there is a direct threat to national security in doing so, American citizens can and should be allowed to speak to anyone they please.
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I wonder what they’d say if you asked them whether it would be acceptable for Democrats to treat the next Republican president that way.
Mr. Waldman has an incredibly short memory.
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George W. Bush was treated that way, Waldman. Nancy Pelosi went to Syria, in direct opposition to a White House request, to meet with Assad in 2007.   And Baghdad Jim McDermott went to meet with Saddam Hussein just prior to the Iraq War.

So, it's already been done, bub. And, when Obama decides to ignore immigration law and his own healthcare law, the president himself has dissed the role of COngress.

What goes around, comes around.

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It's also a norm for the president to work with congressional minority leaders.  Yet Barack Obama met with McConnell a total of only three times in six years.

It's also a norm for the president to respect the Constitution. But, Obama, well....

So you see, Barack is not a normal president.

Secondly, when a democrat president is in office the media is in love. And hard-hitting investigative news stories about presidential scandals run the gamut from who the president's clothier and chef is, to which NCAA teams the president chooses for March madness.

But when a Republican president is in office the media suddenly find their journalism skills and go into full attack mode. So you see, the American press corps is not a norm either, they are a fifth column.
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Considering how little time he spends doing his job, they may be right.
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7 Times Democrats Advised America’s Enemies to Oppose the President


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Senator Teddy Kennedy (D-MA). In 1983, Teddy Kennedy sent emissaries to the Soviets to undermine Ronald Reagan’s foreign policy. According to a memo finally released in 1991 from head of the KGB Victor Chebrikov to then-Soviet leader Yuri Andropov:

On 9-10 May of this year, Sen. Edward Kennedy’s close friend and trusted confidant [John] Tunney was in Moscow. The senator charged Tunney to convey the following message, through confidential contacts, to the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, Y. Andropov.

What was the message? That Teddy would help stifle Reagan’s anti-Soviet foreign policy if the Soviets would help Teddy run against Reagan in 1984. Kennedy offered to visit Moscow to “arm Soviet officials with explanations regarding problems of nuclear disarmament so they may be better prepared and more convincing during appearances in the USA.”

Then he said that he would set up interviews with Andropov in the United States. “Kennedy and his friends will bring about suitable steps to have representatives of the largest television companies in the USA contact Y.V. Andropov for an invitation to Moscow for the interviews…Like other rational people, [Kennedy] is very troubled by the current state of Soviet-American relations,” the letter explained. The memo concluded:

Tunney remarked that the senator wants to run for president in 1988. Kennedy does not discount that during the 1984 campaign, the Democratic Party may officially turn to him to lead the fight against the Republicans and elect their candidate president.

The other six times can be seen here: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/03/10/7-times-democrats-advised-americas-enemies-to-oppose-the-president/





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[[ Republicans are beginning to act as though barack obama isn’t even the president ]]

Huh?

Shouldn't the headline be more like:
"obama continues to act as though the Republican Congress hasn't any clout?"

Once again, the article is an example of leftist P-R-O-J-E-C-T-I-O-N !!

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It's altogether expected that obama would act as though the Republican Congress has no clout.

Because it doesn't!

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Washington is broken.  It's not just a matter of both parties playing the "blame game".  It's a matter of having a president who has demonstrated repeatedly that he is out of control.  It's a matter of 535 members of Congress unwilling or unable to reign him in. "We the People" clearly voted for our elected officials to stop the Obama insanity, yet nothing is done.  It's a matter of repeated assault on our Constitution by this administration.  It sickens me to read articles like this one continuing to play the blame game of shame when clearly from the Office of the president, to the past Secretary of State to the past Attorney General on down are about as corrupt as you can get.  On the right side we have corruption as well as they tend to side with the even more corrupt left. There are but a few elected officials that are holding this country together and  I pray that under this blatantly corrupt administration that this country makes it another two years and God willing we will have the opportunity to actually vote for someone who will turn this country around and head us on a more positive course.   :patriot:

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It's also a norm for the president to work with congressional minority leaders.  Yet Barack Obama met with McConnell a total of only three times in six years.

It's also a norm for the president to respect the Constitution. But, Obama, well....

So you see, Barack is not a normal president.

Secondly, when a democrat president is in office the media is in love. And hard-hitting investigative news stories about presidential scandals run the gamut from who the president's clothier and chef is, to which NCAA teams the president chooses for March madness.

But when a Republican president is in office the media suddenly find their journalism skills and go into full attack mode. So you see, the American press corps is not a norm either. They're a fifth column.

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