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Re: Dems vow to protect Boehner from conservative coup
« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2015, 03:51:50 am »
If Mitch McConnell can't persuade however many Democrats to vote with the GOP - then what good is he as leader?  Really?  What special talent does he have that he is the best man for the job?  Maybe it's time to let someone else that has the ability to barter, cajole, negotiate or whatever is needed to bring some of them around?  What good is he?


I suppose you think bombthrower Ted Cruz could do a better job.  Dream.......on......

Why don't you TPers try to get Cruz or Lee elected Majority Leader? 
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Re: Dems vow to protect Boehner from conservative coup
« Reply #26 on: March 07, 2015, 04:32:55 am »

I suppose you think bombthrower Ted Cruz could do a better job.  Dream.......on......

Why don't you TPers try to get Cruz or Lee elected Majority Leader?

You know what they say about the word "assume"?  When you assume something, you make an "ass" out of "u" and "me"!

I actually don't think Ted Cruz is the guy for that job - he is too true to his values.  That job demands a wheeler-dealer type.  Someone that can bring people over by means of tit for tat, by give and take - a negotiator.  I think Mitch used to be that kind of guy, but something about Obama just makes him fall down and go into a fetal position!  I don't know who would be best, but Mitch just isn't cutting it. 

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Re: Dems vow to protect Boehner from conservative coup
« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2015, 05:22:31 am »
You know what they say about the word "assume"?  When you assume something, you make an "ass" out of "u" and "me"!

I actually don't think Ted Cruz is the guy for that job - he is too true to his values.  That job demands a wheeler-dealer type.  Someone that can bring people over by means of tit for tat, by give and take - a negotiator.  I think Mitch used to be that kind of guy, but something about Obama just makes him fall down and go into a fetal position!  I don't know who would be best, but Mitch just isn't cutting it. 

It's only our entire future that's at stake.
You see that is where the right wing seems to loses touch with reality.  You have to actually get a real human to run and win.  You can't get away with saying "I don't like the leadership, but I dunno who should replace him.  We'll figure that out later."  You guys could have beat McConnell and Boehner for their seats in Congress and their leadership elections...and you tried...but you failed.  Better luck next time.  Try better candidates...or in the case of Boehner's Speakership election try to actually have a candidate maybe a week or more before you try and oust him.

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Re: Dems vow to protect Boehner from conservative coup
« Reply #28 on: March 07, 2015, 11:58:06 am »
It takes 60 votes to go to reconciliation conference, and the dems wouldn't do it.

Without 2/3 to override a Presidential veto, the 60 vote threshold doesn't mean much, either.

Right wing political forums appear to be very severely math challenged, and ironically Constitution challenged as well.
The goal is to put it on the President's desk, placing the blame for any shutdown solely on him.

And the only thing stopping it from being 51 is McConnell himself. Remember—Harry Reid changed the rules on judicial nominations with a vote of 51. There is NOTHING stopping McConnell from doing the same.

As for “math challenged,” I'll put my transcripts up against yours any day. I may not be the best at differential equations but I am certainly NOT math challenged.
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Re: Dems vow to protect Boehner from conservative coup
« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2015, 02:02:39 pm »
Where are you coming up with this number of 60?????????????????

Reconciliation is a fast-track legislative process that allows a bill to pass the Senate in a limited time period, and with the support of only 51 Senators. A “normal” Senate bill can be slowed down by a single Senator, and blocked by 41 Senators. This is not true for a reconciliation bill.
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Re: Dems vow to protect Boehner from conservative coup
« Reply #30 on: March 07, 2015, 03:26:29 pm »
The goal is to put it on the President's desk, placing the blame for any shutdown solely on him.

And the only thing stopping it from being 51 is McConnell himself. Remember—Harry Reid changed the rules on judicial nominations with a vote of 51. There is NOTHING stopping McConnell from doing the same.

As for “math challenged,” I'll put my transcripts up against yours any day. I may not be the best at differential equations but I am certainly NOT math challenged.

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Re: Dems vow to protect Boehner from conservative coup
« Reply #31 on: March 07, 2015, 04:34:23 pm »
RIGHT ON Jimmy! RIGHT ON!!!

McConnell shouldn't pick and choose when the written procedure doesn't suit him/us.  ESPECIALLY, with a rogue, lawless, piss-on-you President.  Who's black.

It's the entire Republican's case to the American People.  And based upon the past two national elections and numerous state and county elections, they understand who the good guys and and who are the bad guys.

I'd rather they bring charges up on Harry Reid for his lawless action.  And throw is a$$ out of the Senate in disgrace.

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Re: Dems vow to protect Boehner from conservative coup
« Reply #32 on: March 07, 2015, 04:45:48 pm »
I'd rather they bring charges up on Harry Reid for his lawless action.  And throw is a$$ out of the Senate in disgrace.

But that is NEVER going to happen because when the cameras and mics are off Mitch and Harry are the best of friends who continually laugh their asses off at US!
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Re: Dems vow to protect Boehner from conservative coup
« Reply #33 on: March 07, 2015, 04:51:01 pm »
But that is NEVER going to happen because when the cameras and mics are off Mitch and Harry are the best of friends who continually laugh their asses off at US!

I thought I was cynical, but you're the Jedi Master.   :laugh:
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Re: Dems vow to protect Boehner from conservative coup
« Reply #34 on: March 07, 2015, 05:11:43 pm »
The problem with that, is the inability of the far right to convince more people of their positions. That in turn is because they adopt unpopular positions. They set themselves up for big losses in the optics game.

The goal is to put it on the President's desk, placing the blame for any shutdown solely on him.


That "goal" is beyond the reach of a fraction of the GOP that picks unpopular positions, and lacks the ability to move public opinion. They don't educate, explain, convince, persuade. They wind up on the losing side of another PR episode.

A bill put on the Presidents desk to shut down our security in the time of terrorism, will rightfully be blocked by him, and a majority of citizens will agree with him.

A bill to deport a 15 year old, brought here when he was 2 years old, will be blocked by him, and a majority of citizens will agree with him.

Adopting unpopular positions, simply reinforces the claim that the right is out of touch with voters.

Since a peak after the 2010 elections, the Tea Party has lost approval. It is because they have adopted unpopular positions.
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Re: Dems vow to protect Boehner from conservative coup
« Reply #35 on: March 07, 2015, 05:18:27 pm »
That "goal" is beyond the reach of a fraction of the GOP that picks unpopular positions, and lacks the ability to move public opinion. They don't educate, explain, convince, persuade. They wind up on the losing side of another PR episode.

A bill put on the Presidents desk to shut down our security in the time of terrorism, will rightfully be blocked by him, and a majority of citizens will agree with him.

A bill to deport a 15 year old, brought here when he was 2 years old, will be blocked by him, and a majority of citizens will agree with him.

Adopting unpopular positions, simply reinforces the claim that the right is out of touch with voters.

Since a peak after the 2010 elections, the Tea Party has lost approval. It is because they have adopted unpopular positions.

Yet another "Total surrender is the only option" steaming pile of BS!
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Re: Dems vow to protect Boehner from conservative coup
« Reply #36 on: March 07, 2015, 05:21:53 pm »
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« Reply #37 on: March 07, 2015, 05:26:44 pm »
Here's the basic take-away:  because the conservatives have no sense of how politics actually works, they are essentially making their own worst accusations come true:  they're pushing Boehner closer and closer to the democrats.

Consider this:  right now Boehner doesn't owe the democrats any real political favors because he didn't get to where he is with their help.  That changes radically once he has to rely on the democrats to survive the coup d'etat being attempted by a coterie of self-proclaimed "conservative" republicans.  That help won't come without strings, and Boehner will be much more beholden to the democrats than he's ever been.

In other words, Boehner and the moderate/center-right republicans are becoming more and more indistinguishable from the democrats because of the so-called "conservative" republicans, not in spite of them.

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Re: Dems vow to protect Boehner from conservative coup
« Reply #38 on: March 07, 2015, 05:28:44 pm »
Here's the basic take-away:  because the conservatives have no sense of how politics actually works, they are essentially making their own worst accusations come true:  they're pushing Boehner closer and closer to the democrats.

Consider this:  right now Boehner doesn't owe the democrats any real political favors because he didn't get to where he is with their help.  That changes radically once he has to rely on the democrats to survive the coup d'etat being attempted by a coterie of self-proclaimed "conservative" republicans.  That help won't come without strings, and Boehner will be much more beholden to the democrats than he's ever been.

In other words, Boehner and the moderate/center-right republicans are becoming more and more indistinguishable from the democrats because of the so-called "conservative" republicans, not in spite of them.

And still ANOTHER pile!
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Re: Dems vow to protect Boehner from conservative coup
« Reply #39 on: March 07, 2015, 05:31:49 pm »
Here's the basic take-away:  because the conservatives have no sense of how politics actually works, they are essentially making their own worst accusations come true:  they're pushing Boehner closer and closer to the democrats.

Consider this:  right now Boehner doesn't owe the democrats any real political favors because he didn't get to where he is with their help.  That changes radically once he has to rely on the democrats to survive the coup d'etat being attempted by a coterie of self-proclaimed "conservative" republicans.  That help won't come without strings, and Boehner will be much more beholden to the democrats than he's ever been.

In other words, Boehner and the moderate/center-right republicans are becoming more and more indistinguishable from the democrats because of the so-called "conservative" republicans, not in spite of them.

Blaming the victim.

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Re: Dems vow to protect Boehner from conservative coup
« Reply #40 on: March 07, 2015, 05:39:13 pm »
TEA losing approval??  Since when?  You must be one of those that believe TEA is dead.  Nope.  Quite the opposite.  TEA is alive and well and without them the GOPe wouldn't have the majority.

Hate to bust anyone's chops but TEA is what is holding this country together.  Does anyone realistically feel that the DEMS are holding this country together (demolishing it is the more appropriate term)? The GOPe vote along with and cater to the DEMS.  So exactly who do you have left?  TEA.

I find it disgusting that voters made their voices heard during the mid terms and wanted Obama's policies STOPPED and they handed the GOP the majority (of course what other option was there) and the GOPe is failing to deliver...and it can't be blamed on anyone else but them.  Sure Barry has veto power ... but the GOPe needs to gain some damn backbone for a change and quit caving.  The blame game and the illusion that they are doing something is no longer working.


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« Reply #41 on: March 07, 2015, 05:46:13 pm »
And still ANOTHER pile!


Your capacity for self-delusion is well-nigh infinite.  You're entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't make it in the least bit true.  The facts on the ground do not in any way justify or corroborate your views.

Here's another blunt fact:  the democrats already have at least one candidate in place and ready to start rallying the troops and convincing the mass of non-partisan voters that they should vote for her, and the republicans don't have a donkey, let alone a race horse, in the works.  Instead, the so-called "conservative" wing is dragging the GOP into an ugly little internecine circle jerk, thereby wasting all of the political capital and good will they built up with the electorate.  For example, if the Supreme Court rules that people who bought their Obama insurance on a federal exchange can't get subsidies, there is going to be a lot of pain in this country and we must absolutely have a coherent plan to deal with that ready to go.  If nothing else, we should go with something similar to the immediate 18 month fix that's being proposed that would effectively leverage off of the current COBRA structure and allow people to keep their current policies at their current, subsidy-adjusted, premiums for 18 months while Congress prepares a comprehensive replacement for Obamacare.  The adults in the GOP have already started running proposals up the flag pole, but instead of constructively engaging with the issue - i.e., governing - the so-called "conservatives" are throwing the world's biggest hissy fit.

If they don't stop that immediately, and focus on real issues like dealing with a potential anti-Obamacare ruling, then here is what's going to happen:  the democrats will spring their already-prepared solution fully-drafted and ready to go.  That will basically involve nothing more than a simple amendment to Obamacare that permits subsidies to be given to everyone, regardless of whether they bought their Obama policies on a state exchange or a federal exchange.  It would be simplicity itself because all it would require is adding the phrase "or the federal government" to the end of the statutory provision that's currently the subject of the Supreme Court case.

And when that fails to pass, as it surely will given that republicans control Congress, then the democrats will be able to convincingly portray the republicans as being heartless obstructionists who prefer to play games of ideology rather than taking care of people by fixing the damage wrought by the Supreme Court's ruling.

So please, go right ahead and play pretty little games of ideological assassination to your heart's content, abandoning any pretense to being capable of actually governing in a real world where a lot of people whom you have to work with don't agree with you on all of your policy goals, but the one piece of self-delusion you are not permitted is the delusion that you did not contribute to the democrats' victory in 2016.

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« Reply #42 on: March 07, 2015, 05:46:59 pm »
Blaming the victim.



/snicker


That refrain sounds more and more like the excuses given for Jihad Johnnie.

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« Reply #43 on: March 07, 2015, 05:48:41 pm »
TEA losing approval??  Since when?  You must be one of those that believe TEA is dead.  Nope.  Quite the opposite.  TEA is alive and well and without them the GOPe wouldn't have the majority.

Hate to bust anyone's chops but TEA is what is holding this country together.  Does anyone realistically feel that the DEMS are holding this country together (demolishing it is the more appropriate term)? The GOPe vote along with and cater to the DEMS.  So exactly who do you have left?  TEA.

I find it disgusting that voters made their voices heard during the mid terms and wanted Obama's policies STOPPED and they handed the GOP the majority (of course what other option was there) and the GOPe is failing to deliver...and it can't be blamed on anyone else but them.  Sure Barry has veto power ... but the GOPe needs to gain some damn backbone for a change and quit caving.  The blame game and the illusion that they are doing something is no longer working.


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I don't believe TEA is dead; it's very much alive.  If it were dead we wouldn't have this suicidal idiocy going on in Congress.

As I said in response to Bigun:  you're entitled to whatever delusion you desire but one:  you are not permitted to delude yourself into believing that you had nothing to do with the democrats' victory in 2016.

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« Reply #44 on: March 07, 2015, 05:51:53 pm »
Hate to bust anyone's chops but TEA is what is holding this country together.

Yep, the good people ridiculed by everyone else are the only thing holding this country together...


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Re: Dems vow to protect Boehner from conservative coup
« Reply #45 on: March 07, 2015, 07:18:51 pm »
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Your capacity for self-delusion is well-nigh infinite.

As is yours from my point of view!

We've been doing it your way for a VERY long time and what has that gotten us?
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« Reply #46 on: March 07, 2015, 07:51:55 pm »
Your capacity for self-delusion is well-nigh infinite.  You're entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't make it in the least bit true.  The facts on the ground do not in any way justify or corroborate your views.

Here's another blunt fact:  the democrats already have at least one candidate in place and ready to start rallying the troops and convincing the mass of non-partisan voters that they should vote for her, and the republicans don't have a donkey, let alone a race horse, in the works.  Instead, the so-called "conservative" wing is dragging the GOP into an ugly little internecine circle jerk, thereby wasting all of the political capital and good will they built up with the electorate.  For example, if the Supreme Court rules that people who bought their Obama insurance on a federal exchange can't get subsidies, there is going to be a lot of pain in this country and we must absolutely have a coherent plan to deal with that ready to go.  If nothing else, we should go with something similar to the immediate 18 month fix that's being proposed that would effectively leverage off of the current COBRA structure and allow people to keep their current policies at their current, subsidy-adjusted, premiums for 18 months while Congress prepares a comprehensive replacement for Obamacare.  The adults in the GOP have already started running proposals up the flag pole, but instead of constructively engaging with the issue - i.e., governing - the so-called "conservatives" are throwing the world's biggest hissy fit.

If they don't stop that immediately, and focus on real issues like dealing with a potential anti-Obamacare ruling, then here is what's going to happen:  the democrats will spring their already-prepared solution fully-drafted and ready to go.  That will basically involve nothing more than a simple amendment to Obamacare that permits subsidies to be given to everyone, regardless of whether they bought their Obama policies on a state exchange or a federal exchange.  It would be simplicity itself because all it would require is adding the phrase "or the federal government" to the end of the statutory provision that's currently the subject of the Supreme Court case.

And when that fails to pass, as it surely will given that republicans control Congress, then the democrats will be able to convincingly portray the republicans as being heartless obstructionists who prefer to play games of ideology rather than taking care of people by fixing the damage wrought by the Supreme Court's ruling.

So please, go right ahead and play pretty little games of ideological assassination to your heart's content, abandoning any pretense to being capable of actually governing in a real world where a lot of people whom you have to work with don't agree with you on all of your policy goals, but the one piece of self-delusion you are not permitted is the delusion that you did not contribute to the democrats' victory in 2016.

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Re: Dems vow to protect Boehner from conservative coup
« Reply #47 on: March 07, 2015, 08:12:50 pm »
Not one candidate has actually made an announcement that they are going to run, so I'm not so sure where you are getting the fact that the DEMS have at least one candidate in place.  The MSM has pre-selected candidates for us; Clinton and Bush. Hillary is receiving a lot of negative press right now with her latest scandal of e-mails linked to Benghazi.  Bush is no faring too well in the polls.  So actually, the hopefuls of both parties don't seem to be going the way that the MSM would like. The GOP has more viable candidates than the DEMS, so in that respect we are clearly ahead.  IF the GOPe would just get their heads out of their butts and recognize that a conservative is needed in order to win. Secondly the election is almost 2 years away.  Instead of focusing on the election perhaps the focus should be on stopping Obama policy as voted on by the majority during the mid terms.  People don't want more Obama policy (DEMS) they want an alternative and someone who can lead this country out of the chaos created by Obama policy.

The GOPe is NOT the answer as they tend to side with the DEMS and have allowed Obama's policies to be put in place.  Clearly not how the voters voted in the mid terms. 

Any way you cut it, the best shot at winning the oval office is either a GOP TEA candidate or third party. 

It has been publicized that most candidates will be announcing their run Mid-March to Mid-April.

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« Reply #48 on: March 07, 2015, 08:28:02 pm »
As I think about all the goings on in D.C., I have to wonder if the democrats and Obama have something BIG on Boehner.  Look what they have started with Menendez, a fellow conspirator to destroy America.  Then I think about Boehner wimping on everything that comes before him.  Then I think of Nazi Pelosi offering to help Tammy Fay fend off his own party.  No matter what happens now the democrats are going to come out of this smelling like a rose; the unkept campaign promises, the lack of principles, how they have offered to "HELP" Boehner, the republicans caving on everything after doing meaningless lip service is going to leave a foul taste  for most Americans who voted for major changes.  The democrats must have something on Tammy Fay for all this to happen.

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Re: Dems vow to protect Boehner from conservative coup
« Reply #49 on: March 07, 2015, 08:54:45 pm »
As I think about all the goings on in D.C., I have to wonder if the democrats and Obama have something BIG on Boehner.  Look what they have started with Menendez, a fellow conspirator to destroy America.  Then I think about Boehner wimping on everything that comes before him.  Then I think of Nazi Pelosi offering to help Tammy Fay fend off his own party.  No matter what happens now the democrats are going to come out of this smelling like a rose; the unkept campaign promises, the lack of principles, how they have offered to "HELP" Boehner, the republicans caving on everything after doing meaningless lip service is going to leave a foul taste  for most Americans who voted for major changes.  The democrats must have something on Tammy Fay for all this to happen.

I hear what you are saying; but in the same light they must have "something" on McConnel and the rest of the GOPe as well.  What they have on the GOPe is that they know they are "spineless" and have been convinced that unless they sway to the left, they will lose their seat and most importantly that "cash flow" into their pockets. The MSM had American voters convinced that "political correctness" and liberalism was what was best for this country.  Voters have finally realized that neither has worked.  I really think the GOPe will sink its ship and a very conservative candidate will emerge., i.e., Cruz, Walker, Perry or you will see a 3rd party candidate who is going to take it all by a landslide.  Just my humble opinion of course.

Romans 12:16-21

Live in harmony with one another; do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly, do not claim to be wiser than you are.  Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all.  If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all…do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.