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Abolish the filibuster - Charles Krauthammer
« on: February 25, 2015, 03:00:12 am »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/abolish-the-filibuster/2015/02/19/ca7d30d2-b86b-11e4-aa05-1ce812b3fdd2_story.html

I’ve been radicalized. By Harry Reid and Barack Obama. Goodbye moderation and sweet reason. No more clinging to constitutional and procedural restraint. It’s time to go nuclear.

In the fourth quarter of his presidency, Obama unbound is abusing presidential authority at will to secure a legacy on everything from environmental regulation to immigration, the laws of which he would unilaterally suspend.

Republicans find themselves on the sidelines bleating plaintively about violations of the separation of powers. They thought they found an instrument of resistance in funding for the Department of Homeland Security. The House has funded the whole department except for the immigration service, which was denied the money to implement Obama’s executive amnesty.
 
But Democrats have filibustered the bill in the Senate, where it will die. And as the night follows day, Republicans, not the filibustering Democrats, will be blamed for shutting down DHS and jeopardizing the nation’s safety at a time of heightened international terrorism.

A nice cul-de-sac. But there is a way out for the GOP. Go bold. Go nuclear. Abolish the filibuster. Pass the bill and send it to the president.

I know that breaks a lot of china. But Congress is already knee-deep in fractured porcelain. On policy, Obama has repeatedly usurped congressional power, most egregiously with an executive amnesty for illegal immigrants that for four years he himself had insisted was unlawful (a view given significant support this week in a federal district court).

As for procedure, then-majority leader Reid (D-Nev.) went nuclear in November 2013 when he abolished the filibuster for presidential appointees and judicial nominees (below the Supreme Court). He did it to pack the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals with liberals. The nation’s liberal chorus cheered. “Elections are supposed to have consequences,” read one typical commentary. “It was time to push the button.” Boom.

My beef with Reid was not what he did but how he did it. The filibuster has grown in use and power over the decades to the point of dysfunction. Everything needed 60 votes. This is relatively new and nowhere to be found in the Constitution.

My problem was the egregious way Reid changed the rule: by a simple majority, 52-48, with zero Republicans onboard (and three Democrats defecting). As I wrote at the time, “If a bare majority can change the fundamental rules that govern an institution, then there are no rules.”

I was not the only one to warn that Democrats would rue the day. Once you go nuclear, so can the other guy.

Reid went first. Time for Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to finish the job. Push the button. Abolish the filibuster.

Then immediately pass the House homeland security bill and send it to the president. He is likely to veto it, but the politics will have been radically changed. The current story line is: Republican Congress won’t fund DHS, threatening to shut it down. New story line: Obama vetoes funding for DHS, threatening to shut it down.

The latter narrative is more accurate: Democrats are stopping the funding. Moreover, a presidential veto would lead to a more fair allocation of blame. And it’s blame allocation that determines which side blinks first. The president will have a major incentive to find some face-saving finesse.

But filibuster abolition is more than a one-shot proposition. It would radically change the next two years. It would give Republicans full control of the Congress and allow swift passage of a GOP agenda.

It would also clarify the antagonists: a lawless president vs. a willful Congress. The GOP could be sending bill after bill to the president’s desk — on tax reform, trade, Obamacare and, if it has the guts, immigration.

Obama’s choice? Sign, veto or negotiate a compromise. If he vetoes, then Republicans take that issue to the country in 2016.

What’s the downside? Democrats showed in 2013 their willingness to trash Senate procedure for a mess of pottage — three judges on one court. If Republicans stand pat now, what’s to stop Democrats from abolishing the filibuster altogether when it suits them in the future?

And think of the upside. A GOP resort to the nuclear option might make Democrats come to their senses and negotiate a new understanding that any fundamental change in Senate rules — e.g., altering the filibuster — will henceforth require some agreed-to supermajority. No more bare-majority party-line coups.

This would be ideal. But that’s for later. For now, go for the doable. Abolish the filibuster and challenge the president. And when asked, “How can you do such a thing?” tell them to ask Harry Reid.

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Re: Abolish the filibuster - Charles Krauthammer
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2015, 03:25:57 am »

For now, go for the doable. Abolish the filibuster and challenge the president. And when asked, “How can you do such a thing?” tell them to ask Harry Reid.


Yeah, but the GOP isn't about playing hardball with their mandate.

They're all about laying down after giving just a pretense of opposition.

'Controlled opposition' anyone?

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Re: Abolish the filibuster - Charles Krauthammer
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2015, 03:45:23 am »
Yeah, but the GOP isn't about playing hardball with their mandate.

They're all about laying down after giving just a pretense of opposition.

'Controlled opposition' anyone?

I could be wrong about this but I think everyone understands your position now so you can stop beating us over the head with it!
« Last Edit: February 25, 2015, 03:54:26 am by Bigun »
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« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2015, 04:22:12 am »
Well, Charles, took ya long enough....!

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« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2015, 05:09:59 am »
I could be wrong about this but I think everyone understands your position now so you can stop beating us over the head with it!
Yep.

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« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2015, 02:34:49 pm »
I could be wrong about this but I think everyone understands your position now so you can stop beating us over the head with it!

Sure, soon as you guys stop playing the 'GOP is so stupid' game...


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« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2015, 02:53:08 pm »
Sure, soon as you guys stop playing the 'GOP is so stupid' game...


Dan I agree with you about the GOPe but beating people about the head and shoulders with that solves exactly what?
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« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2015, 03:12:25 pm »
I'm with GourmetDan, Bigun.

Perhaps the time is coming to take whatever good may still be left in the "old GOP", and hitch it to a new horse.

A horse that actually wants to haul the wagon!

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« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2015, 03:27:37 pm »
I'm with GourmetDan, Bigun.

Perhaps the time is coming to take whatever good may still be left in the "old GOP", and hitch it to a new horse.

A horse that actually wants to haul the wagon!

So do I! That is why we MUST take over the GOP from within and that will not be done sitting in front of a computer pounding on a keyboard!
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« Last Edit: February 25, 2015, 03:35:42 pm by Bigun »
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2015, 03:35:27 pm »
Dan I agree with you about the GOPe but beating people about the head and shoulders with that solves exactly what?

As long as we're 'beating people about the head and shoulders', what does the 'GOP is so stupid' solve?


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« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2015, 03:36:36 pm »
As long as we're 'beating people about the head and shoulders', what does the 'GOP is so stupid' solve?

Not a thing and you have never seen me do it!
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

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« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2015, 03:39:46 pm »
So do I! That is why we MUST take over the GOP from within and that will not be done sitting in front of a computer pounding on a keyboard!
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You do things the way you want to, you say the things you want to say and let me do the same.

Otherwise... just put me on ignore, I don't care...

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« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2015, 03:41:31 pm »
Not a thing and you have never seen me do it!

The point was that you are characterizing my comments in a negative manner that is just your opinion.

And I should stop because you don't like it?  Please...


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« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2015, 03:48:03 pm »
You do things the way you want to, you say the things you want to say and let me do the same.

Otherwise... just put me on ignore, I don't care...

OK Dan! As you please! But be advised that attacking those that agree with you in principle isn't going to get you very far IMHO!

I'm done now! Proceed!

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« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2015, 03:51:13 pm »
The point was that you are characterizing my comments in a negative manner that is just your opinion.

And I should stop because you don't like it?  Please...

I do not believe that I characterized you comments in any manner at all! ALL I said was that people here now completely understand your position and beating them over the head with it isn't accomplishing anything!  YOU obviously think otherwise so PLEASE do continue!
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien