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240B:
--- Quote from: alicewonders on February 15, 2015, 04:07:09 pm ---Syria is key in all of this. Syria is the one "Arab Spring" that Obama hasn't been able to pull off yet. He is hell-bent on getting rid of Assad, and replacing him with the Muslim Brotherhood - with ISIS doing the dirty work.
It is a trickedly laid out situation. We - the US - are not going to get rid of ISIS, not while Obama is president.
I agree that everyone needs to see what evil looks like in the face - your video is eye-opening in that respect. Evil isn't confined to the battlefield either, it can be found in Washington DC just as readily - even in the White House.
Syria, Iran, Russia - we're playing a very dangerous game with this scenario. Does anyone have any doubt that our commander-in-chief is on the wrong side in this? I think his master's goals are to install the Muslim Brotherhood throughout the middle east - to establish the Caliphate. Russia has economic goals in the area, and Iran wants their own kind of Caliphate. It is a bloody mess - and the average American doesn't have a clue.
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Obama wanted ISIS and the 'levant' (as he calls it, which includes Israel). Obama wanted the caliphate and believes in all that 12th Imam horseshit.
The Arab Spring was supposed to be ISIS, only with Obama's BFFs in the Muslim Brotherhood running the show. Obama wanted Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Yemen, Jordan, and eventually Turkey all under the domination of his crew the Muslim Brotherhood. The Arab Spring had nothing to do with freedom, as the toadies in the American media reported, it was the exact opposite of freedom as the people of Egypt quickly figured out.
It was about Obama taking over the M.E. by proxy with his Muslim Brotherhood. Fortunately, like everything Obama does, it failed.
massadvj:
--- Quote from: 240B on February 15, 2015, 04:34:04 pm ---Obama wanted ISIS and the 'levant' (as he calls it, which includes Israel). Obama wanted the caliphate and believes in all that 12th Imam horseshit.
The Arab Spring was supposed to be ISIS, only with Obama's BFFs in the Muslim Brotherhood running the show. Obama wanted Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Yemen, Jordan, and eventually Turkey all under the domination of his crew the Muslim Brotherhood. The Arab Spring had nothing to do with freedom, as the toadies in the American media reported, it was the exact opposite of freedom as the people of Egypt quickly figured out.
It was about Obama taking over the M.E. by proxy with his Muslim Brotherhood. Fortunately, like everything Obama does, it failed.
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I agree with most of this. I add this. I am inclined to think that ISIS was initially aided and abetted by our own covert forces, and every time any investigation gets close to disclosing that truth, it gets shut down. This suggests to me that Republican as well as Democrat hands are culpable.
I also think that we have a tendency to draw distinctions between Al Qaeda, ISIS, the Taliban and the Muslim Brotherhood when they all represent factions of the same movement, which is Wahhabism. There are three key political movements: secular Sunni, Wahhabi and Shiite. The secular Sunnis until now have been the great enablers of Wahhabism. Jordan deciding to attack them could signal an end to that, but I don't think so.
The goal of Wahhabi terrorism is to draw us in. We should not take the bait without having strategic goals that are in our interest and achievable. There are two cancers: Wahhabi and Shiite. Why not let the two cancers fight each other while we sit on the sidelines, making sure they do not invade our space?
When Hitler was fighting the Russians it was a win/win for us. So long as ISIS fights Assad and the ayatollahs that is a win/win for us as well.
alicewonders:
--- Quote from: 240B on February 15, 2015, 04:34:04 pm ---Obama wanted ISIS and the 'levant' (as he calls it, which includes Israel). Obama wanted the caliphate and believes in all that 12th Imam horseshit.
The Arab Spring was supposed to be ISIS, only with Obama's BFFs in the Muslim Brotherhood running the show. Obama wanted Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Yemen, Jordan, and eventually Turkey all under the domination of his crew the Muslim Brotherhood. The Arab Spring had nothing to do with freedom, as the toadies in the American media reported, it was the exact opposite of freedom as the people of Egypt quickly figured out.
It was about Obama taking over the M.E. by proxy with his Muslim Brotherhood. Fortunately, like everything Obama does, it failed.
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I think the Occupy Wall Street "movement" was orchestrated by the same "folks" who have orchestrated the Arab Spring. They haven't been successful yet, but we can see that they don't give up. Ever.
alicewonders:
--- Quote from: massadvj on February 15, 2015, 04:55:53 pm ---I agree with most of this. I add this. I am inclined to think that ISIS was initially aided and abetted by our own covert forces, and every time any investigation gets close to disclosing that truth, it gets shut down. This suggests to me that Republican as well as Democrat hands are culpable.
I also think that we have a tendency to draw distinctions between Al Qaeda, ISIS, the Taliban and the Muslim Brotherhood when they all represent factions of the same movement, which is Wahhabism. There are three key political movements: secular Sunni, Wahhabi and Shiite. The secular Sunnis until now have been the great enablers of Wahhabism. Jordan deciding to attack them could signal an end to that, but I don't think so.
The goal of Wahhabi terrorism is to draw us in. We should not take the bait without having strategic goals that are in our interest and achievable. There are two cancers: Wahhabi and Shiite. Why not let the two cancers fight each other while we sit on the sidelines, making sure they do not invade our space?
When Hitler was fighting the Russians it was a win/win for us. So long as ISIS fights Assad and the ayatollahs that is a win/win for us as well.
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Is ISIS Sunni or Shiite?
massadvj:
--- Quote from: alicewonders on February 15, 2015, 05:03:15 pm ---Is ISIS Sunni or Shiite?
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Sunni. Funded initially with Sunni money. If you listen to the media, people like the Saudis don't like them but pay them off to keep them from disrupting their own countries. But it goes deeper than that. Sunni countries, and one Christian country (Lebanon), have survived for many years by paying the radicals to leave them alone. The only countries in the Middle East that refuse to play ball with radical Wahhabis are Iran and Israel.
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