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Boehner's embrace of GOP rebels nudges House caucus to right
« on: January 10, 2015, 02:03:11 pm »
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Boehner's embrace of GOP rebels nudges House caucus to right
Associated Press
By CHARLES BABINGTON 5 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Die-hard House conservatives, after bungling a coup against House Speaker John Boehner, now look like winners who are pushing their Republican caucus farther right.

Rather than punish and isolate those who opposed him as leader, Boehner surprised many on Friday by embracing a major immigration plan that's more stringent and conservative than lawmakers had expected. It not only would block President Barack Obama's recent limits on deportations, but also undo earlier protections for immigrants brought to the country illegally as children.

The House is pushing toward a vote Wednesday.

As the rebellious hard-liners celebrated, mainstream Republicans said Boehner's decision probably portends firmly conservative approaches to other issues, which will complicate life for some of the more moderate Senate Republicans and ensure fierce battles with Obama.

One of the 25 House Republicans who voted to oust the speaker, Rep. Richard Nugent of Florida, praised the Boehner-backed immigration plan.

The dissidents have complained that Boehner is too willing to compromise with Obama and Democrats. But rather than seeing the rebels frozen out during closed-door GOP discussions on immigration strategy, Nugent said, "this time it's a very collaborative approach."

For now, though, Nugent is still off the House Rules Committee, where membership is at the discretion of the speaker.

Rep. Louie Gohmert of Texas, whom Democrats sometimes portray as the most unreasonable of conservative purists, was equally enthusiastic.

"One of the things that has really been lacking for the last eight years is having more input like we've finally gotten in this bill," Gohmert said.

Some Boehner allies had urged him to punish and isolate Gohmert and the other rebels.

But that approach might permanently antagonize tea party-leaning Republicans and "force Boehner into making more concessions" to Democrats to pass bills, "which is the last thing in the world we want," said GOP Rep. Kenny Marchant of Texas, shortly after Tuesday's leadership vote.

By Friday, Marchant was reassured. "The focus now is to solicit input and try to bring them into the fold," he said.

Boehner's agreement to nudge his caucus rightward, especially on immigration, could cause headaches for Republican presidential candidates needing Hispanic votes. And it will complicate life for Senate Republicans, who now hold the majority but generally can't pass bills without at least six Democratic votes, thanks to filibuster powers.

"It probably makes it more difficult in the Senate, but we shouldn't worry about what the Senate is going to do," said Rep. Tom Cole of Oklahoma, often seen as a voice for Republican House leaders.

The approach, Cole said, "takes a lot of political pressure off House Republicans." One reason 25 Republicans voted against Boehner, he said Friday, "was because they didn't believe we were going to do exactly what we're doing today" on immigration.

The Senate is virtually certain to weaken such bills. House Republicans acknowledge they will face tough choices when it's time to work out the differences.

"The litmus test is going to be what happens with this bill when it hits the Senate and comes back to us," said GOP Rep. John Fleming of Louisiana, a staunch conservative who voted for Boehner as speaker.

In recent years — when the Republicans' House majority was smaller — Boehner sometimes had to negotiate with Democrats for enough votes to pass measures that dozens of conservative Republicans refused to back. Doing so is politically risky for a speaker, and increasingly difficult now that centrist members of both parties have largely been driven from Congress.

At issue is a $39.7 billion spending bill to keep the Homeland Security Department funded beyond February.

The House version would block Obama's November order granting temporary relief from deportation to about 4 million immigrants in the country illegally. Most of them have been here at least five years and have children who are citizens or legal permanent residents.

In a surprise to many, the House GOP proposal also would reverse a 2012 program, called Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, that removed deportation threats to certain immigrants brought here illegally as children.

Obama's allies say he would veto such measures, should they survive Senate Democrats' filibusters. Vetoes are extremely difficult to override, requiring two-thirds votes in the House and Senate.

Congressional Republicans say it's important to put their principles into legislation, even if it's almost certain to be vetoed. It can be good politics, too.

In his conservative district between Dallas and Fort Worth, Marchant said with a smile, "a veto-override vote is OK with me."
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Re: Boehner's embrace of GOP rebels nudges House caucus to right
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2015, 02:31:52 pm »
Absolutely loaded with unwarranted editorial comments but it is, after all, from the AP!
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Re: Boehner's embrace of GOP rebels nudges House caucus to right
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2015, 03:30:52 pm »
Absolutely loaded with unwarranted editorial comments but it is, after all, from the AP!

From this article, it is looking like the rogue vote wasn't such a colossal failure after all. 

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Re: Boehner's embrace of GOP rebels nudges House caucus to right
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2015, 03:38:10 pm »
From this article, it is looking like the rogue vote wasn't such a colossal failure after all.

It's quite possible there were "voice votes" made to the Speaker personally that weren't made on the Floor.  Anyone with a lick of sense knows you don't disrespect your leader in public.
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Re: Boehner's embrace of GOP rebels nudges House caucus to right
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2015, 03:41:31 pm »
From this article, it is looking like the rogue vote wasn't such a colossal failure after all.

Good point.

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Re: Boehner's embrace of GOP rebels nudges House caucus to right
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2015, 03:53:26 pm »
From this article, it is looking like the rogue vote wasn't such a colossal failure after all.

It never was although some here would like you to believe otherwise.
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Re: Boehner's embrace of GOP rebels nudges House caucus to right
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2015, 03:59:35 pm »
Boehner knows McConnell and company are going to gut it so he is safe.
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Re: Boehner's embrace of GOP rebels nudges House caucus to right
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2015, 04:07:10 pm »
Boehner knows McConnell and company are going to gut it so he is safe.
Just following the script for the show.

That's what I figured too.  The vote has nudged Boehner into having to look like they are doing something.  That's probably as good as we are going to get.  What that means is that we have to keep applying pressure, we are making them have to react.

As much as they will try, the last thing we can do is to give up!

 

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Re: Boehner's embrace of GOP rebels nudges House caucus to right
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2015, 04:11:21 pm »
Boehner knows McConnell and company are going to gut it so he is safe.
Just following the script for the show.
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Re: Boehner's embrace of GOP rebels nudges House caucus to right
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2015, 08:44:14 pm »
That's what I figured too.  The vote has nudged Boehner into having to look like they are doing something.  That's probably as good as we are going to get.  What that means is that we have to keep applying pressure, we are making them have to react.

As much as they will try, the last thing we can do is to give up!

Yes, we cannot by any means give up.  However, our Congress needs to actually do something instead of looking like they are doing something.  We cannot continue to sit back and allow them to do nothing, nor can we allow them to cater to Obama's agenda.

If the newly elected Congress doesn't accomplish curtailing the Obama agenda then I think it is pretty safe to assume that the mid term election was nothing more than a horse and pony show.
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Re: Boehner's embrace of GOP rebels nudges House caucus to right
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2015, 09:12:11 pm »
Yes, we cannot by any means give up.  However, our Congress needs to actually do something instead of looking like they are doing something.  We cannot continue to sit back and allow them to do nothing, nor can we allow them to cater to Obama's agenda.

If the newly elected Congress doesn't accomplish curtailing the Obama agenda then I think it is pretty safe to assume that the mid term election was nothing more than a horse and pony show.

True libertybele.  I also think it won't bode well for 2016. 

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Re: Boehner's embrace of GOP rebels nudges House caucus to right
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2015, 03:00:42 am »
Jes' wonderin', jes' a thought, don' mean nuthin', but...

.... if the vote for speaker had been a -secret- ballot, I wonder how Mr. Boehner would have fared?

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Re: Boehner's embrace of GOP rebels nudges House caucus to right
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2015, 09:06:25 am »
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One of the 25 House Republicans who voted to oust the speaker, Rep. Richard Nugent of Florida, praised the Boehner-backed immigration plan.

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"One of the things that has really been lacking for the last eight years is having more input like we've finally gotten in this bill," Gohmert said.

In the end Sen Cruz and Lee will be the ones sent out to sell the GOP amnesty to the conservatives.  Bet on it.

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Re: Boehner's embrace of GOP rebels nudges House caucus to right
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2015, 02:37:11 pm »
Jes' wonderin', jes' a thought, don' mean nuthin', but...

.... if the vote for speaker had been a -secret- ballot, I wonder how Mr. Boehner would have fared?

He wouldn't be speaker right now IMHO!
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