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Re: Why do so many liberals despise Christianity?
« Reply #25 on: October 14, 2014, 07:33:28 pm »
Quote from: truth_seeker on October 14, 2014, 07:28:05 pm
It is so hard to qualify these days to be a "true Christian" or "true conservative."

Few people subscribe to the full list of required beliefs and positions.

It's not that hard. The Catholic Church is steadfast anti abortion. It's not a suggestion, it's fundamental to being Catholic, you know, the folks who were hardline against contraception. Don't like that? Fine, pick a Protestant denomination that fits your belief system.

Only divisive folks get all hung up on "true" this, or "true" that. You know?
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Re: Why do so many liberals despise Christianity?
« Reply #26 on: October 14, 2014, 07:35:12 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on October 14, 2014, 07:33:23 pm
The church itself is not being very consistent about abortion.  The bloodiest hands in the House belong to Nancy Pelosi, and she's still allowed to take Communion, last I heard.  (I am not a Catholic, so I'm on thin ice here.)  Dittos for a lot of Dems.

Well, that is another kettle of fish. The Catholic Church has enough problems. That would help explain why my brother is Catholic, and I'm Methodist.
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Re: Why do so many liberals despise Christianity?
« Reply #27 on: October 14, 2014, 07:36:31 pm »
Quote from: truth_seeker on October 14, 2014, 07:28:05 pm
It is so hard to qualify these days to be a "true Christian" or "true conservative."

Few people subscribe to the full list of required beliefs and positions.

That may be true. But I think you are over-qualifying it. You are making it too complex. There are basics in everything.
 
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Re: Why do so many liberals despise Christianity?
« Reply #28 on: October 14, 2014, 07:38:28 pm »
Quote from: truth_seeker on October 14, 2014, 07:28:05 pm
It is so hard to qualify these days to be a "true Christian" or "true conservative."

Few people subscribe to the full list of required beliefs and positions.

I'm not quite sure how that relates to the points I made.

I don't use the words "true" preceding either Christian or Conservative.

What I was saying is that most leftist tenets are incompatible with Christian theology, and that most leftists who are Christians are unaware of that fact because they think their intention to "care" makes everything else OK.

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Re: Why do so many liberals despise Christianity?
« Reply #29 on: October 14, 2014, 07:39:54 pm »
Quote from: Relic on October 14, 2014, 07:35:12 pm
Well, that is another kettle of fish. The Catholic Church has enough problems. That would help explain why my brother is Catholic, and I'm Methodist.

Interesting.  So...to your bro, you're the Anti-Christ?  (Please laugh at that.  It's supposed to be a bit of a joke.  My wife is pre-Vatican II Catholic, and I was raised a Methodist.)
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Re: Why do so many liberals despise Christianity?
« Reply #30 on: October 14, 2014, 07:44:21 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on October 14, 2014, 07:39:54 pm
Interesting.  So...to your bro, you're the Anti-Christ?  (Please laugh at that.  It's supposed to be a bit of a joke.  My wife is pre-Vatican II Catholic, and I was raised a Methodist.)

I take no offense. My brother is an MSNBC drone. We were once close, but now barely speak, and rarely see each other, (we live in the same town). I prefer not to talk politics, he can't help throwing barbs about how great Obama is, etc. Last time we were together, I called him on it, and well, I don't see too many more events I'll be attending with him.

It's his choice, I feel sorry for him, because he must be miserable. Someone who is constantly stirring the pot in such a fashion, can't be happy.
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Re: Why do so many liberals despise Christianity?
« Reply #31 on: October 14, 2014, 07:55:09 pm »
I think there is a religious justification for being pro-choice, but not pro-abortion.  Thus, I can rationalize being pro-choice, but I cannot come up with a Christian rationalization for public funding of abortion.

Clearly, abortion is sin.  But God gave humans free will in order that they may distinguish between sins and non-sins.  The nation's laws may or may not comport with God's laws.  It is not necessary, or even always desirable, that they do.  So long as I have free will, knowing God's laws I can take care of my own soul, and use my powers of persuasion to convince others of the error in their thinking.  In fact, it would be preferable if abortion were so taboo in our society that we did not have to pass laws to prevent it.  Like cannibalism.

I cannot similarly reconcile public funding of abortion.  Forcing people of conscience to pay for an abomination is completely antithetical to Christian beliefs, as far as I know them. 
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Re: Why do so many liberals despise Christianity?
« Reply #32 on: October 14, 2014, 07:58:16 pm »
Quote from: massadvj on October 14, 2014, 07:55:09 pm
I think there is a religious justification for being pro-choice, but not pro-abortion.  Thus, I can rationalize being pro-choice, but I cannot come up with a Christian rationalization for public funding of abortion.
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In fact, it would be preferable if abortion were so taboo in our society that we did not have to pass laws to prevent it.  Like cannibalism.

I suppose there could also be religious rationalization for being pro-choice cannibalism, but not pro-cannibalism.

All you would have to do is change the societal taboo... and the rest would be history...




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Re: Why do so many liberals despise Christianity?
« Reply #33 on: October 14, 2014, 08:06:01 pm »
Quote from: Relic on October 14, 2014, 07:44:21 pm
I take no offense. My brother is an MSNBC drone. We were once close, but now barely speak, and rarely see each other, (we live in the same town). I prefer not to talk politics, he can't help throwing barbs about how great Obama is, etc. Last time we were together, I called him on it, and well, I don't see too many more events I'll be attending with him.

It's his choice, I feel sorry for him, because he must be miserable. Someone who is constantly stirring the pot in such a fashion, can't be happy.

I think people who can't laugh at themselves are the most miserable.  When you can laugh at yourself, it's like having a little book of jokes you can carry anywhere.
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Re: Why do so many liberals despise Christianity?
« Reply #34 on: October 14, 2014, 08:15:58 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on October 14, 2014, 07:33:23 pm
The church itself is not being very consistent about abortion.  The bloodiest hands in the House belong to Nancy Pelosi, and she's still allowed to take Communion, last I heard.  (I am not a Catholic, so I'm on thin ice here.)  Dittos for a lot of Dems.

The Catholic Church has gone through a lot of "rule changes" over the years even during my lifetime.  As for abortion, it's not been all that long (150 years+/-) that early stage abortion was formally considered killing a human by the Church.  It's gone from a conservative pope to what may be one of the most liberal popes in only one change.  Catholic dogma is not immune from societal changes.
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Re: Why do so many liberals despise Christianity?
« Reply #35 on: October 14, 2014, 08:19:32 pm »
Quote from: GourmetDan on October 14, 2014, 07:58:16 pm
I suppose there could also be religious rationalization for being pro-choice cannibalism, but not pro-cannibalism.

I wonder if there were early African missionaries who adopted this position, even as the pot boiled under their very hides.   :silly:

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All you would have to do is change the societal taboo... and the rest would be history...

True.  But if you think laws change culture, you are mistaken.  Culture changes the law.
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Re: Why do so many liberals despise Christianity?
« Reply #36 on: October 14, 2014, 09:49:03 pm »
"Culture changes the law"

Exactly. Just look at the changing laws regarding marijuana. In a few more years most states will soften sanctions against personal use.
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Re: Why do so many liberals despise Christianity?
« Reply #37 on: October 14, 2014, 09:58:47 pm »
Quote from: aligncare on October 14, 2014, 09:49:03 pm
"Culture changes the law"

Exactly. Just look at the changing laws regarding marijuana. In a few more years most states will soften sanctions against personal use.
And alcohol.
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