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Stop Denying the Obvious: Islam is a Problem
« on: October 03, 2014, 10:26:57 am »

Stop Denying the Obvious: Islam is a Problem


 by Geert Wilders
 September 26, 2014 at 9:45 am

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4733/stop-denying-the-obvious-islam-is-a-problem
 
 
 
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To defeat IS we should do more than just bomb its strongholds in the Middle East; we should no longer turn a blind eye to the violent nature of Islam. We should demand that those who settle in our countries cast aside values incompatible with ours. There is a huge problem -- also in our countries - cause by the violent exhortations of Islam. Only when we face this truth will we be able to win this war we are in.

Although the majority of Muslims are moderate, thousands of innocent civilians all over the West have fallen victim to terrorists inspired by Islam. IS has announced that every citizen of the West is a target.

70% of Dutch Muslims consider the religious rules of Islam more important than the secular laws of the country where they are living.  Survey, December 2013,  by Prof. Ruud Koopmans, Humbolt University, Berlin

A military alliance, led by the United States, is currently bombing the forces of the Islamic State [IS] in Iraq and Syria. Many European nations, such as the United Kingdom, France, the Netherlands and others, are participating in this offensive. IS, however, is not just a threat to the Middle East, but also to our own countries. The presence in IS's ranks of hundreds of Muslims born in the West, carrying Western passports, is a huge domestic security risk. Whether we like it or not, war has also come to our streets.

And whether we like it or not, Islam has everything to do with it. "No religion condones the killing of innocents," President Obama recently said. David Cameron added about the IS terrorists: "They claim to do this in the name of Islam, that is nonsense, Islam is a religion of peace. They are not Muslims, they are monsters."

The sad thing is that, while they are, indeed, monsters, they are also Muslims. No matter what Obama and Cameron say, IS and other terrorist groups draw inspiration from Koranic verses, such as sura 47:4: "When ye meet the unbelievers, smite at their necks and when ye have caused a bloodbath among them bind a bond firmly on them."

Although the majority of Muslims are moderate, thousands of innocent civilians all over the West have fallen victim to terrorists inspired by Islam. On 9/11, 2001, Mohamed Atta and his accomplices flew planes into New York's twin towers. In March 2004, Jamal Zougam, a Moroccan-born Spanish citizen, and his friends bombed four commuter trains in Madrid. In November 2004, Mohammed Bouyeri, a Dutchman of Moroccan origin, slit the throat of Islam critic Theo van Gogh in Amsterdam. In July 2005, Hasib Hussain and three other homegrown British suicide killers assassinated 52 civilians on the London public transport system. In March 2012, Mohammed Merah, a Frenchman of Algerian descent, mowed down a rabbi and three children in front of a school in Toulouse. In April 2013, the Chechen brothers Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, killed three onlookers at the Boston marathon with pressure cooker bombs. In May 2013, Michael Adebolayo, a British citizen of Nigerian descent, decapitated soldier Lee Rigby in the streets of London. Last May, Mehdi Nemmouche, a French citizen of Algerian origin, murdered four people at the Jewish Museum in Brussels.

Atta, Zougam, Bouyeri, Hussain, Merah, Tsarnaev, Adebolayo, Nemmouche, they were all Muslims, most of them carrying Western passports. It is dangerous to deny a reality because it is discomforting. Bombing IS in Syria and Iraq, while refusing to see the problems at home, will have disastrous consequences.

There is much discussion about the support among Muslim populations in the West for IS and similar organizations waging jihad and aiming to impose Islamic Sharia law on our societies. A survey conducted by ICM Research last July found that 16% of all inhabitants of France and 7% of the inhabitants of the United Kingdom have a favorable view of IS. In May 2013, a survey by Ahmed Ait Moha of Motivaction, an Amsterdam research institute, found that 73% of Dutch Muslims regard Dutch Muslims who fight in Syria as heroes, compared to only 3% of indigenous Dutch. Last December, a survey by Prof. Ruud Koopmans at Humboldt University in Berlin revealed that over 45% of German Muslims and 70% of Dutch Muslims consider the religious rules of Islam to be more important than the secular laws of the country where they are living.

Every day, I can feel the cold shadow of Islam. Next November, it will be exactly ten years that I have been living under permanent police protection. Wherever I go, armed policemen go with me to protect me against Islamic groups who have vowed to assassinate me because they disagree with my opinion that Islam is not a religion of peace. Today, ten years later, IS has announced that every citizen of the West is a target.

To defeat IS we should do more than just bomb its strongholds in the Middle East; we should no longer turn a blind eye to the violent nature of Islam.  We should demand that those who settle in our countries cast aside values incompatible with ours.

Last week, I proposed in the Dutch Parliament that we ask an oath of all people from Islamic countries who wish to be members of our society. In the oath they have to explicitly distance themselves from Sharia law and the violent verses in the Koran. Those who do not want to take the oath are no longer welcome. They should leave our country at once. This measure forces us to see the reality which Obama, Cameron and other Western leaders refuse to see: there is a huge problem – also in our countries – caused by the violent exhortations of Islam.

Only when we face this truth, we will be able to win the war we are in.

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Re: Stop Denying the Obvious: Islam is a Problem
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2014, 11:16:27 am »
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...majority of Muslims are moderate

So, hypothetical question:
If I were a member of the KKK (similar doctrine just reversed) and payed my monthly dues ( or whatever they do), attended meetings and gatherings, held organization secrets (member names, etc.), just never actually hurt anyone, would I garner the same support and consideration as a "moderate muslim"?

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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2014, 11:22:11 am »
Good question Ed, probably not. 
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Re: Stop Denying the Obvious: Islam is a Problem
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2014, 11:26:31 am »
So, hypothetical question:
If I were a member of the KKK (similar doctrine just reversed) and payed my monthly dues ( or whatever they do), attended meetings and gatherings, held organization secrets (member names, etc.), just never actually hurt anyone, would I garner the same support and consideration as a "moderate muslim"?

The vast majority of NAZIs were moderate and many did not support Hitler or his policies. However, they were enablers and went along with the program.
 
When the allies invaded Europe, they did not ask any NAZI whether they were moderate or not. They shot them all just the same.
 
When the allies were carpet bombing Germany, they were not targeting "radical" NAZIs. If you are a NAZI then you are an enemy. We have to make things simple and stop these false distinctions.
 
Obviously Imam Hussein will never agree with this, but one day soon, this is what it will come down to across the world.
You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
If they kill their own with no conscience, there is nothing to stop them from killing you.
Rational fear and anger at vicious murderous Islamic terrorists is the same as irrational antisemitism, according to the Leftists.

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Re: Stop Denying the Obvious: Islam is a Problem
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2014, 11:32:26 am »
So, hypothetical question:
If I were a member of the KKK (similar doctrine just reversed) and payed my monthly dues ( or whatever they do), attended meetings and gatherings, held organization secrets (member names, etc.), just never actually hurt anyone, would I garner the same support and consideration as a "moderate muslim"?

Hmmmm.....well, Senator Harry Byrd, (D) West Virginia comes to mind.   :laugh:

But it's a good point.
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Re: Stop Denying the Obvious: Islam is a Problem
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2014, 02:19:31 pm »
Hmmmm.....well, Senator Harry Byrd, (D) West Virginia comes to mind.   :laugh:

But it's a good point.

Do we know for sure that Byrd never hurt anyone??   :smokin:
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Re: Stop Denying the Obvious: Islam is a Problem
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2014, 02:24:14 pm »

The vast majority of NAZIs were moderate and many did not support Hitler or his policies. However, they were enablers and went along with the program.
 
When the allies invaded Europe, they did not ask any NAZI whether they were moderate or not. They shot them all just the same.
 
When the allies were carpet bombing Germany, they were not targeting "radical" NAZIs. If you are a NAZI then you are an enemy. We have to make things simple and stop these false distinctions.
 
Obviously Imam Hussein will never agree with this, but one day soon, this is what it will come down to across the world.

Rattlesnake Logic

After the Boston bombing the news media spent days and weeks trying to determine why these men did what they did. They want to know what America did to make these brothers so angry with us. They want to know why these men were not arrested before they did something so terrible. The media is in a tizzy about this new era of homegrown radicals, and about why they could live among us and still hate us.

A friend of mine from Texas explained it all to me: “Here in west Texas I have rattlesnakes on my place, living among us. I have killed a rattlesnake on the front porch. I have killed a rattlesnake on the back porch. I have killed rattlesnakes in the barn, in the shop and on the driveway. In fact, I kill every rattlesnake I encounter.

I kill rattlesnakes because I know a rattlesnake will bite me and inject me with poison. I don’t stop to wonder why a rattlesnake will bite me; I know it will bite me because it's a rattlesnake and that's what rattlesnakes do. I don’t try to reason with a rattlesnake…I just kill it. I don’t try to get to know the rattlesnake better so I can find a way to live with the rattlesnakes and convince them not to bite me. I just kill them. I don’t quiz a rattlesnake to see if I can find out where the other snakes are, because (a) it won’t tell me, and (b) I already know they live on my place. So, I just kill the rattlesnake and move on to the next one. I don’t look for ways I might be able to change the rattlesnake to a non-poisonous rat snake...I just kill it. Oh, and on occasion, I accidentally kill a rat snake because I thought it was a rattlesnake at the time. Also, I know, for every rattlesnake I kill, two more are lurking out there in the brush. In my lifetime I will never be able to rid my place of rattlesnakes. Do I fear them? No! Do I respect what they can do to me? Yes! And because of that respect I give them the fair justice they deserve.... I kill them...”

Maybe as a country we should start giving more thought to the fact that these jihadists' are just like rattlesnakes, and act accordingly!
« Last Edit: October 03, 2014, 02:26:09 pm by Bigun »
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Re: Stop Denying the Obvious: Islam is a Problem
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2014, 02:54:42 pm »
Rattlesnakes are actually not as dangerous, as they possess no intentionality other than one of instinctual survival.
 
Islamists do not act against others out of defensiveness or survival needs, but rather as an imperative to conquer and control or destroy. 
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Re: Stop Denying the Obvious: Islam is a Problem
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2014, 02:58:52 pm »
Rattlesnakes are actually not as dangerous, as they possess no intentionality other than one of instinctual survival.
 
Islamists do not act against others out of defensiveness or survival needs, but rather as an imperative to conquer and control or destroy.

That's true Andy.  The rattlesnake will not seek you out with the intention of harming you - it minds it's own business until it feels threatened.  These Islamic monster SEEK innocents to kill! 

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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2014, 03:41:17 pm »
Rattlesnakes are actually not as dangerous, as they possess no intentionality other than one of instinctual survival.
 
Islamists do not act against others out of defensiveness or survival needs, but rather as an imperative to conquer and control or destroy.

Indeed! All the more reason to apply rattlesnake logic!
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Re: Stop Denying the Obvious: Islam is a Problem
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2014, 01:42:55 am »
Wilders closes with:
[[ Last week, I proposed in the Dutch Parliament that we ask an oath of all people from Islamic countries who wish to be members of our society. In the oath they have to explicitly distance themselves from Sharia law and the violent verses in the Koran. Those who do not want to take the oath are no longer welcome. They should leave our country at once. This measure forces us to see the reality which Obama, Cameron and other Western leaders refuse to see: there is a huge problem – also in our countries – caused by the violent exhortations of Islam. ]]

This is what I've been saying on this forum for some time now:
muslims must be removed from dar al-harb and returned to dar al-islam. If they won't go voluntarily, then involuntary means should be employed.

The only exceptions should be for those who are willing to make a public renunciation of islam and accept some other religion. Of course Christianity would be the first choice, but ANY other religion will do, other than islam.

To draw an analogy with another recent news story, islam is to Western Civilization what the Ebola virus is to the human body. Allow it in, in any strength, even the smallest numbers, and it will multiply and take advantage of the host, until it eventually destroys the host from within.

Ah, but the multicultis will assert, "every life form has a right to exist, and all are equal".
Does anyone think that Ebola has a right to exist within us?

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Re: Stop Denying the Obvious: Islam is a Problem
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2014, 10:40:01 am »
Wilders closes with:
[[ Last week, I proposed in the Dutch Parliament that we ask an oath of all people from Islamic countries who wish to be members of our society. In the oath they have to explicitly distance themselves from Sharia law and the violent verses in the Koran. Those who do not want to take the oath are no longer welcome. They should leave our country at once. This measure forces us to see the reality which Obama, Cameron and other Western leaders refuse to see: there is a huge problem – also in our countries – caused by the violent exhortations of Islam. ]]

This is what I've been saying on this forum for some time now:
muslims must be removed from dar al-harb and returned to dar al-islam. If they won't go voluntarily, then involuntary means should be employed.

The only exceptions should be for those who are willing to make a public renunciation of islam and accept some other religion. Of course Christianity would be the first choice, but ANY other religion will do, other than islam.

To draw an analogy with another recent news story, islam is to Western Civilization what the Ebola virus is to the human body. Allow it in, in any strength, even the smallest numbers, and it will multiply and take advantage of the host, until it eventually destroys the host from within.

Ah, but the multicultis will assert, "every life form has a right to exist, and all are equal".
Does anyone think that Ebola has a right to exist within us?

After renunciation there should be a swift separation of head from shoulders.  It prevents back-sliding.
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Re: Stop Denying the Obvious: Islam is a Problem
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2014, 04:29:07 pm »
That great military strategist, Charles DeGaulle :silly:, actually predicted that islam would be the next major problem facing the world.  He probably based that on all the "moderate" islamists who fought for Hitler. 13859