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Scotland votes 'No': What happens now?
« on: September 19, 2014, 05:41:48 am »
by Andrew Black

For now, that means it will continue to form an integral part of the UK - but for Scottish devolution, the process of granting powers from Westminster to the Scottish parliament, it's far from business as usual.

The focus will now be on how the UK government delivers its promise of more powers for the Scottish parliament, based at Holyrood, Edinburgh. Here's what's likely to happen next.


More power
 
The three biggest UK-wide political parties - The Conservatives, Labour and the Liberal Democrats - agree that further devolution of powers to Holyrood must take place. During the referendum campaign, the parties signed a pledge to devolve more powers to Scotland, if Scots rejected independence.

A timetable to deliver change was set out by former prime minister - and Scottish MP - Gordon Brown. It was quickly endorsed by the UK-wide parties.

Mr Brown said a "command paper" would be published by the present UK government setting out all the proposals by the end of October.

A white paper would be drawn up by the end of November, after a period of consultation, setting out the proposed powers.

A draft new "Scotland Act" law would be published by Burns Night (25 January) 2015 ready for the House of Commons to vote on.

However, with a UK general election due in May 2015, the legislation would not be passed until the new parliament began.


Party differences
 
The Scottish Parliament is currently funded through a block grant and the amount it gets is defined by the Barnett Formula - an arrangement for adjusting funds to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland to spend on devolved policy areas, on the basis of population . All three parties are committed to preserving the essence of this mechanism in some form.

And in proposals set out by the parties earlier this year, each offered Holyrood considerably more income tax-raising powers than the Scottish parliament has at present. However, there were significant differences between the parties in the proposed extent of those changes
Labour wants to give Holyrood the power to vary income tax by 15p in the pound - but not the power to cut the top tax rate on its own.

The Conservatives propose to give Scotland total control over income tax rates and bands. Holyrood would also be accountable for 40% of the money it spent.

The Liberal Democrats propose giving Scotland power over income tax, inheritance and capital gains tax. The party has also touted scrapping the Act of Union between Scotland and England and replacing it with a declaration of federalism.

None of this will suffice for the Scottish National Party, and its leader Alex Salmond, but just as the Edinburgh Agreement, committed Prime Minister David Cameron to honouring the referendum result, the same is true for the Scottish first minister.

Mr Salmond may not like it, but he still heads Scotland's devolved government, so he will play a pivotal role in ensuring the delivery of increased Holyrood powers.

He is expected to fight for a "devo max" - essentially far-reaching devolution - package of powers, likely to include total control over income tax, corporation tax, and air passenger duty, and extensive control over welfare.

 
The negotiations
 
UK political parties will have to work through their differences, and come up with a single proposal. But others will also be involved.

In the lead up to the establishment of the Scottish Parliament in 1999, the UK government laid out its devolved responsibilities in a White Paper in July 1997, before they were backed by voters and put into legislation.

Credit for paving the road towards Scottish devolution was given to the Scottish Constitutional Convention, an association of Scottish political parties, churches and other civic groups set up in 1989.

This time round, the pro-Union parties want to set up a new body to finalise Holyrood's new powers - in effect a 21st Century version of the organisation.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29252899
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Re: Scotland votes 'No': What happens now?
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2014, 12:47:45 pm »
So if I read this right, the UK is kinda like us.
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Re: Scotland votes 'No': What happens now?
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2014, 01:03:27 pm »
So if I read this right, the UK is kinda like us.

Yep.

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Re: Scotland votes 'No': What happens now?
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2014, 02:42:25 pm »
Becoming moreso now. Think of the UK as a union of 4 States 3 of which have their own State governments. England, unfortunately, does not have it's own.
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Re: Scotland votes 'No': What happens now?
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2014, 02:44:54 pm »
Becoming moreso now. Think of the UK as a union of 4 States 3 of which have their own State governments. England, unfortunately, does not have it's own.

Do you think that will happen now?
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Re: Scotland votes 'No': What happens now?
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2014, 03:10:20 pm »
Do you think that will happen now?

We've been pushing for it since Scotland and Wales got theirs. Unlikely to ever happen though.
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BREAKING NEWS: Alex Salmond resigns hours after Scotland votes no to independence

BREAKING: Alex Salmond announces he is resigning as Scotland's First Minister after independence defeat

It came after the 'No' campaign secured 55% of the vote with Mr Salmond's Yes to independence camp achieving 45%

Total turnout was 84.5% topping 90% in pro-Union areas but dipping to the mid-70s in key Yes working-class areas   
 
Yes wins in Dundee, Glasgow, North Lanarkshire and West Dunbartonshire, but fell short by 384,935 votes

David Cameron addressed the nation this morning vowing to introduce 'English votes for English laws'

The Queen is following events 'closely' and will make a statement today in response to the public's decision

Tennis champion Andy Murray rows back from pro-independence tweet, insisting he will still play for Team GB

By TOM MCTAGUE, DEPUTY POLITICAL EDITOR FOR MAILONLINE and MATT CHORLEY, POLITICAL EDITOR FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 15:50 EST, 18 September 2014 | UPDATED: 10:46 EST, 19 September 2014
     

Alex Salmond this afternoon dramatically quit as Scotland's First Minister after voters rejected independence in yesterday's referendum.
The First Minister said he would stand down in November to let the next generation take over the fight to lead Scotland out of the Union.
 
Mr Salmond announced his departure at a press conference this afternoon. He said his 'party, Parliament and country' would benefit from 'new leadership'.

But he fired a warning shot at David Cameron not to go back on his promise to transfer sweeping new powers to Holyrood within six months.
This afternoon's announcement came after he was forced to accept that a majority of Scots had decided 'at this stage' not to become an independent country. The 'No' campaign secured 55 per cent of the vote to the nationalists' 45 per cent.

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I saw this one coming a mile away.

The amount of effort Salmond put into this referendum pretty much meant that he bet all of his credibility on its passage. When it was rejected—by a ten-point margin, which is huge on a national scale, and by virtually every precinct—he and his party pretty much were left to crawl away with their tails between their legs.
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Re: Scotland votes 'No': What happens now?
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2014, 12:46:37 am »
We've been pushing for it since Scotland and Wales got theirs. Unlikely to ever happen though.

The Scot independent movement will not show up anymore

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Re: Scotland votes 'No': What happens now?
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2014, 02:30:14 am »
The Scot independent movement will not show up anymore

Just like Party Quebecois, eh...?

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Re: Scotland votes 'No': What happens now?
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2014, 02:35:51 am »
Just like Party Quebecois, eh...?

They have been trying for years without success since 1970. I know a friend who lives in Canada and they are a joke.
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Re: Scotland votes 'No': What happens now?
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2014, 08:28:15 pm »
The Scot independent movement will not show up anymore
Considering the age breakdown, I think it's only a matter of time before it gets tried again. It might be a couple of decades, but I don't think we've gone the way of Quebec just yet.
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Re: Scotland votes 'No': What happens now?
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2014, 01:18:27 am »
Considering the age breakdown, I think it's only a matter of time before it gets tried again. It might be a couple of decades, but I don't think we've gone the way of Quebec just yet.

Good Point. But if they are offered a sweetheart plan by the British Parliament we will not hear from their again like Wales and Northern Ireland
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