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Politico battleground poll puts Obama at 44/56, GOP up on immigration


posted at 8:01 am on September 15, 2014 by Ed Morrissey
 
Americans are sour on the economy, which surprises Politico’s Alexander Burns [link fixed], but it shouldn’t. In the first major likely-voter poll of the general election, Democrats face strong headwinds on the economic issues that voters tell pollsters will be their main focus in November. Burns notes that voters aren’t buying the Recovery Summer Part IV meme Democrats are selling, although it appears Burns is:


If the nation’s economy is on the mend, the voters of 2014 aren’t feeling it.

Despite continued signs of a halting but persistent national comeback, midterm voters remain frustrated and unhappy with the state of the economy, according to the latest POLITICO poll of likely voters in 2014 battleground states. Many appear to blame President Barack Obama: 57 percent of these voters disapprove of his economic leadership.

By every measure in the survey, a gloomy mood still pervades the electorate when it comes to kitchen-table issues: Just 23 percent say their personal financial situation has improved over the past year, versus 30 percent who say it has gotten worse.

Democrats had initially envisioned 2014 as a year when their candidates could hail the fruits of an economic turnaround. For a time, a handful of impressive monthly employment reports bolstered their hopes.

But while the economy has improved, it has not yet taken flight: Unemployment remains above 6 percent, and in August the country gained just 142,000 jobs. Candidates around the country have tempered their claims of economic improvement, including Republican governors who also initially aimed to run on their records of job creation.

Some states have seen improved job creation, but not the US as a whole. With the exception of one month out of the past year, there haven’t been any “impressive monthly employment reports,” and even the one didn’t get to the 300K level. Adding an average of around 200K a month only slightly surpasses population growth in the US, which means for the last five years since the technical recovery began, the US has done little except tread water when it comes to job creation. Furthermore, the 6% unemployment rate would be impressive if the workforce participation rate had remained fairly constant, but it hasn’t; it’s at a 36-year low.

This is the difference between seeing statistics and knowing what they mean. It’s also the difference between reading stats and living in the environment. Voters do the latter, and they know from their own experience and that of their friends, family, and neighbors that the recovery is at best tepid, and at worse illusory. The chronically unemployed can’t find any way to get back into the labor force, and most of the jobs being created are low-paying, entry-level service jobs. Voters don’t need to know the context of the statistics to know the economy has been stuck in low gear for the last several years.

Unfortunately for Democrats, 35% of likely voters believe economic issues are the top priority for this election in this battleground poll. Another 19% think it’s national security, which makes the situation even worse. The issues that Democrats hoped to highlight in this cycle — the environment, social problems, and immigration — combine up for a whopping 11% of voters who will prioritize them this summer.

And even on immigration, Democrats have lost their grip on the issue. Obama gets a 35/64 approval rating on the issue, and voters give the edge to Republicans on leadership of it, 34/31. Even while two-thirds support comprehensive immigration reform, voters take a much harder edge on the border crisis. A near-majority (49%) want the children flooding across the border this summer returned to their country of origin, while only 29% want them to stay. On the pathway to citizenship, it’s virtual tie, with 51/49 in favor of the idea.

Overall, Obama gets a 44/56 job approval rating and 42/57 on the economy. If that sounds higher than the national numbers we are seeing in other polls, it is, but perhaps a function of the sample:


Likely voters were surveyed in the following states with competitive Senate elections: Alaska, Arkansas,
 Colorado, Georgia, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, North Carolina,
 New Hampshire, Oregon, South Dakota, Virginia and West Virginia.

It’s interesting to see Minnesota on that list. Democrats manage a one-point edge in the generic ballot, using the 2010 voter model for the partisan balancing (35/35/30). That’s probably better than they’d expect, but Democrats generally need a much bigger edge on this measure to come out ahead. If they plan to keep running on contraception and global warming, they’d better expect to do a lot worse in November.

Update: I wrote “6% inflation rate” when I meant “6% unemployment rate.” Thanks to Erik S for the correction via e-mail.

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/09/15/politico-battleground-poll-puts-obama-at-4456-gop-up-on-immigration/
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« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2014, 01:52:40 pm »
My cynicism tells me that events are already in place to make Republicans take the 'blame' for coming market crashes and a drastic rise in fixed mortgage rates, which will then make Democrats the better of two evils.

....just in time for the 'full bloom' 2016 campaigns.   :whistle:

 
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« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2014, 02:18:50 pm »
My cynicism tells me that events are already in place to make Republicans take the 'blame' for coming market crashes and a drastic rise in fixed mortgage rates, which will then make Democrats the better of two evils.

....just in time for the 'full bloom' 2016 campaigns.   :whistle:
But Democrats were in charge of the same houses in 2007 and 2008 when the market crashed the last time, and it didn't seem to hurt them at all.
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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2014, 02:22:31 pm »
But Democrats were in charge of the same houses in 2007 and 2008 when the market crashed the last time, and it didn't seem to hurt them at all.

What supports the Democrats is the political ether of media. 
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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2014, 02:24:45 pm »
But Democrats were in charge of the same houses in 2007 and 2008 when the market crashed the last time, and it didn't seem to hurt them at all.

I had a most unpleasant Saturday evening. I spent it with my two brothers... hardcore Democrats who consume MSNBC as if it were the word of God. In the eyes of my brothers, who I assume represent a good number of Democrats, their party is the best for countless reasons. Republicans are evil obstructionists who serve evil big business interests. Every single problem facing the country is due to the Republican controlled House, or the mess that GWB left. Obama is a great president, obamacare is the best thing to ever happen.

Don't confuse them with facts.

This may help explain my negativity about our nation's direction and prospects.

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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2014, 02:36:19 pm »
What supports the Democrats is the political ether of media.

That's the crux of it, ONC.  Anything can become reality when the media is all in for you.  Lies become truth, and the truth becomes lies - when it is repeated often enough by people we trust. 

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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2014, 02:42:30 pm »
I had a most unpleasant Saturday evening. I spent it with my two brothers... hardcore Democrats who consume MSNBC as if it were the word of God. In the eyes of my brothers, who I assume represent a good number of Democrats, their party is the best for countless reasons. Republicans are evil obstructionists who serve evil big business interests. Every single problem facing the country is due to the Republican controlled House, or the mess that GWB left. Obama is a great president, obamacare is the best thing to ever happen.

Don't confuse them with facts.

This may help explain my negativity about our nation's direction and prospects.

And yet, the facts are that NOBODY watches MSNBC.  [/s]  Of course, whatever MSNBC says, is parroted by NBC, CBS and even ABC.

The most insidious power of the mainstream media is the power to ignore.  It becomes a matter of that old adage..."If a tree falls in the forest..."

A good start to put and end to this mess is to ignore the mainstream media for now and concentrate on breaking the teachers' unions and in particular, what our young people are being told in the classroom and on the university campus.

Then focus on what Hollywood and television content gives the public.

I'm not saying we need to go back to the Bible...but we could certainly start with Aesope's fable of "The Grasshopper and the Ant".


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« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2014, 03:24:36 pm »
And yet, the fact are that NOBODY watches MSNBC.  [/s]  Of course, whatever MSNBC says, is parroted by NBC, CBS and even ABC.

The most insidious power of the mainstream media is the power to ignore.  It becomes a matter of that old adage..."If a tree falls in the forest..."

A good start to put and end to this mess is to ignore the mainstream media for now and concentrate on breaking the teachers' unions and in particular, what our young people are being told in the classroom and on the university campus.

Then focus on what Hollywood and television content gives the public.

I'm not saying we need to go back to the Bible...but we could certainly start with Aesope's fable of "The Grasshopper and the Ant".


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« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2014, 04:05:53 pm »
I had a most unpleasant Saturday evening. I spent it with my two brothers... hardcore Democrats who consume MSNBC as if it were the word of God. In the eyes of my brothers, who I assume represent a good number of Democrats, their party is the best for countless reasons. Republicans are evil obstructionists who serve evil big business interests. Every single problem facing the country is due to the Republican controlled House, or the mess that GWB left. Obama is a great president, obamacare is the best thing to ever happen.

Don't confuse them with facts.

This may help explain my negativity about our nation's direction and prospects.

I can relate.  My sister "unfriended" me six months ago and will no longer talk to me.  When I visit my son and daughter-in-law, we stay completely away from politics, although they did remove their Obama sticker off their mailbox.  They live in Boulder, CO, and are very happy there.
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« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2014, 04:10:28 pm »
But Democrats were in charge of the same houses in 2007 and 2008 when the market crashed the last time, and it didn't seem to hurt them at all.

Interesting comparison.  In the past six years, the Dems have managed to keep the blame on Bush and the banks.  I'm guessing after the next crash, they will still blame the banks, which in their minds are at one with Republicans.
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« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2014, 05:04:55 pm »

I can relate.  My sister "unfriended" me six months ago and will no longer talk to me.  When I visit my son and daughter-in-law, we stay completely away from politics, although they did remove their Obama sticker off their mailbox.  They live in Boulder, CO, and are very happy there.


LOL!   If the forum recalls, my two older sons had converted to Islam.  Clifford did so back when he served in Operation Desert Storm under GHWB.  He was stationed in Germany and drove fuel trucks for the tanks, jeeps and trucks to the front lines.  It's been 22+ years now.

His younger brother Jason, who served in Korea when overseas, followed him into Islam, as a civilian after he had served....after he went to the Grand Canyon by himself, he said he had an 'enlightenment'.  They both went to Mecca during Haj...many many years ago.

Of course, as you said....I NEVER, EVER speak about politics or their militant religion.  I made it off-limits...not them.  They know better than to broach the subject.  As much as I want to question them about ISIL and what's going on, I bite my tongue.

Thought it was just a phase...but it does remind me that not all Muslims are bloodthirsty.
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LOL!   If the forum recalls, my two older sons had converted to Islam.  Clifford did so back when he served in Operation Desert Storm under GHWB.  He was stationed in Germany and drove fuel trucks for the tanks, jeeps and trucks to the front lines.  It's been 22+ years now.

His younger brother Jason, who served in Korea when overseas, followed him into Islam, as a civilian after he had served....after he went to the Grand Canyon by himself, he said he had an 'enlightenment'.  They both went to Mecca during Haj...many many years ago.

Of course, as you said....I NEVER, EVER speak about politics or their militant religion.  I made it off-limits...not them.  They know better than to broach the subject.  As much as I want to question them about ISIL and what's going on, I bite my tongue.

Thought it was just a phase...but it does remind me that not all Muslims are bloodthirsty.

I didn't know that about your sons.  You have it tougher than I do with my family.  But it does make us look for the things we have in common more than we would if we agreed politically. 
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That's the crux of it, ONC.  Anything can become reality when the media is all in for you.  Lies become truth, and the truth becomes lies - when it is repeated often enough by people we trust. 

Conservatives should encourage their children to become journalists and to work in the media.  We need to infiltrate it and gradually change it, at the same time while we are forging new alternative medias of our own.

As George Orwell correctly told us a LONG time ago!

Conservatives can study journalism and attempt to become journalists all they want but they will NEVER succeed in that business because the people who will be their bosses won't permit it!

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I didn't know that about your sons.  You have it tougher than I do with my family.  But it does make us look for the things we have in common more than we would if we agreed politically.

They both went with me to the Supreme Court when the 2000 election was being contested.  Also, to the demonstration at the VP's residence ("Get out of Cheney's House!").  They supported President Bush with me....UNTIL the attack on 9-11.  THAT changed everything in their eyes.  Obviously it was what they were hearing inside their mosque.   :shrug: 

They do NOT support Obama...but think both are sides of the same coin.
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« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2014, 05:39:52 pm »
I had a most unpleasant Saturday evening. I spent it with my two brothers... hardcore Democrats who consume MSNBC as if it were the word of God. In the eyes of my brothers, who I assume represent a good number of Democrats, their party is the best for countless reasons. Republicans are evil obstructionists who serve evil big business interests. Every single problem facing the country is due to the Republican controlled House, or the mess that GWB left. Obama is a great president, obamacare is the best thing to ever happen.

Don't confuse them with facts.

This may help explain my negativity about our nation's direction and prospects.

There are such people in my family as well and I cut them not one inch of slack.  I don't bring it up but if they do it's Katy bar the door! I've had them storm out of my house more than once promising to never return. Several of them have not only returned but have, at least so they say, discovered that I was right in the first place.

There is a sign hanging over my fireplace that reads "Democrats not welcome here" and I mean every word of that!
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They both went with me to the Supreme Court when the 2000 election was being contested.  Also, to the demonstration at the VP's residence ("Get out of Cheney's House!").  They supported President Bush with me....UNTIL the attack on 9-11.  THAT changed everything in their eyes.  Obviously it was what they were hearing inside their mosque.   :shrug: 

They do NOT support Obama...but think both are sides of the same coin.

That's a heck of a change.  I won't ask how they felt about the attack or why that would trigger such a change, or what they were told in the mosque.  That would have concerned me, not about the terrorists but rather those who might find justification for their actions.

But at least as you say they don't support Obama.  See...there is something you can all agree on, even if for different reasons. 
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There are such people in my family as well and I cut them not one inch of slack.  I don't bring it up but if they do it's Katy bar the door! I've had them storm out of my house more than once promising to never return. Several of them have not only returned but have, at least so they say, discovered that I was right in the first place.

There is a sign hanging over my fireplace that reads "Democrats not welcome here" and I mean every word of that!

I consider myself a strong Republican and conservative, but I try very much not to let politics come between my friends/family and me.  Not worth it to me.  I do have one friend who is an extreme libertarian.  He hates the police, Christians, George Bush, and Israel.  We can debate issues without any animosity.  But he would do anything for me, and I for him.

Life goes on and will still go on long after today's political parties are just names in a history book.
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« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2014, 09:26:30 pm »
I consider myself a strong Republican and conservative, but I try very much not to let politics come between my friends/family and me.  Not worth it to me.  I do have one friend who is an extreme libertarian.  He hates the police, Christians, George Bush, and Israel.  We can debate issues without any animosity.  But he would do anything for me, and I for him.

Life goes on and will still go on long after today's political parties are just names in a history book.

I'm very happy that works for you.
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I'm very happy that works for you.

I know you are... :whistle:
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« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2014, 12:00:13 am »
I consider myself a strong Republican and conservative, but I try very much not to let politics come between my friends/family and me.  Not worth it to me.  I do have one friend who is an extreme libertarian.  He hates the police, Christians, George Bush, and Israel.  We can debate issues without any animosity.  But he would do anything for me, and I for him.

Life goes on and will still go on long after today's political parties are just names in a history book.

I can certainly identify with your POV on this, MAC. 

You realize nothing you can say would change their minds, so you just avoid the discussions about current politics and who's responsible for the current status quo.

Like that old commercial where baby boomers eat Kellogg's Frosted Flakes in the dark....I never watch FOXNEWS in their company.  LOL!
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« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2014, 12:07:36 am »
I had a most unpleasant Saturday evening. I spent it with my two brothers... hardcore Democrats who consume MSNBC as if it were the word of God. In the eyes of my brothers, who I assume represent a good number of Democrats, their party is the best for countless reasons. Republicans are evil obstructionists who serve evil big business interests. Every single problem facing the country is due to the Republican controlled House, or the mess that GWB left. Obama is a great president, obamacare is the best thing to ever happen.

Don't confuse them with facts.

This may help explain my negativity about our nation's direction and prospects.

Wow... I could have written that.  Eerie.
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