Author Topic: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine (Read 7574 times)

flowers · « **Reply #25 on:** July 17, 2014, 06:50:22 pm »

Quote from: mystery-ak on July 17, 2014, 06:31:07 pm

State Dept says *‘Highly Inappropriate’*

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/07/17/what-happened-at-the-state-dept-briefing-after-the-plane-crash-in-ukraine-had-shepherd-smith-disgustedly-calling-it-highly-inappropriate/

What Happened at the State Dep’t Briefing After the Plane Crash in Ukraine Had Shepard Smith Disgustedly Calling It ‘Highly Inappropriate’

i won't watch this video so I ask. Shep was upset they didn't start the briefing with the plane crash? Is this what he is upset about?

Chieftain · « **Reply #26 on:** July 17, 2014, 06:53:44 pm »

Quote from: GourmetDan on July 17, 2014, 06:46:47 pm

Sure they do. The bankster-supported Ukraine 'govt' benefits if the world thinks the Russkies/separatists did it.

Buying in to any part of the argument including 'a plane 'they' thought was military' is just the first step down the rabbit-hole.

C'mon dude. Haven't you been lied to enough in your lifetime to question any 'official' version, including the whole 'east vs west' meme?

This is far more complex than anyone in the West can possibly appreciate. The tensions in that whole part of the world date back centuries, in many ways it is no different than the Middle East when you consider the myriad of tribal interests that everyone can date back to the beginning of time.

One of the reasons that Napoleon was so successful in bringing together his Empire, was because if the English were not slaughtering French nobles they were slaughtering each other, or going off on Crusades to be slaughtered in the Holy Lands. At one time most of Eastern Europe was a morass of petty Principalities and Houses Major and Minor, with all of them squabbling over who was the rightful heir(s).

Add in the Muslim influences in and around the Balkans and all of the other countries in the region and you have the makings of a slaughter that we have not seen the likes of since Pol Pot.

mystery-ak · « **Reply #27 on:** July 17, 2014, 06:56:33 pm »

BBC Live updates

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-28354787

19:44: US Vice-President Joe Biden has spoken to Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, Reuters quotes the White House as saying. He offered US assistance in helping to determine what happened to the plane.

19:35: The director of Eurocontrol, which controls air traffic across Europe, says that Ukrainian airspace has now been closed after reports of the crash. Speaking to Radio 5 Live, Tytgat Luc said there were four aircraft flying in the same area at the same time that the crash occurred, but that they continued their flights.

Journalist Noah Sneider tweets from the scene: Firefighters putting out smoldering wreckage of #mh17. Everything burnt out, grass, plane, ppls minds. Impossible to comprehend... #ukraine

Journalist Noah Sneider tweets: At crash site of #MH17. Bodies everywhere, organs splayed out. Too gruesome to post photographs. This is an absolute disaster. #ukraine

19:28: Flight recorders have been found at the crash site, Konstantin Knyrik, a spokesman for the pro-Russian rebels, has told Interfax news agency. Earlier reports quoted rebels as saying they intended to send the flight recorders to Moscow for checking.

flowers · « **Reply #28 on:** July 17, 2014, 06:56:56 pm »

Chieftain · « **Reply #29 on:** July 17, 2014, 06:57:16 pm »

Daily Mail is reporting 23 Americans and 10 Brits among the dead....

mystery-ak · « **Reply #30 on:** July 17, 2014, 06:58:04 pm »

Quote from: flowers on July 17, 2014, 06:50:22 pm

i won't watch this video so I ask. Shep was upset they didn't start the briefing with the plane crash? Is this what he is upset about?

He was upset with the State Dept's use of the term Highly Inappropriate.....

Chieftain · « **Reply #31 on:** July 17, 2014, 06:58:22 pm »

Malaysian Airlines MH17 passenger plane carrying 295 people including between five and ten Britons 'shot down with ground-to-air missile' at 33,000ft over Ukraine near to Russian border

Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 shot down over territory held by Pro-Russian rebels in eastern Ukraine
Body parts and wreckage spread over nine-mile area, suggesting plane broke up mid-air
Whitehall sources say up to ten Britons feared dead, 23 Americans also thought to be on board
Ukrainian interior ministry says plane was shot down by a BUK surface-to-air missile
President Petro Poroshenko issued robust denial that his forces were involved
Pro-Russian rebels also denied shooting down the plane and blamed Ukrainian air force
Journalists in region say they saw a Buk-type launcher in pro-Russian rebel hands yesterday

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2696161/BREAKING-NEWS-Malaysian-passenger-plane-carrying-295-people-crashes-Ukraine-near-Russian-border.html#ixzz37knK0dL6
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Chieftain · « **Reply #32 on:** July 17, 2014, 07:02:35 pm »

Per Wiki....

Quote

The Buk missile system (Russian: "Бук"; beech, /bʊk/ BOOK) is a family of self-propelled, medium-range surface-to-air missile systems developed by the Soviet Union and its successor state, the Russian Federation, and designed to engage cruise missiles, smart bombs, fixed- and rotary-wing aircraft, and unmanned aerial vehicles.[2]

The Buk missile system is the successor to the NIIP/Vympel 2K12 Kub (NATO reporting name SA-6 "Gainful").[3] The first version of Buk adopted into service carried the GRAU designation 9K37 and was identified in the west with the NATO reporting name "Gadfly" as well as the US Department of Defense designation SA-11. Since its initial introduction into service the Buk missile system has been continually upgraded and refined. With the integration of a new missile the Buk-M1-2 and Buk-M2 systems also received a new NATO reporting name Grizzly and a new DoD designation SA-17. The latest incarnation "Buk-M3" is scheduled for production.[4]

A naval version of the system, designed by MNIIRE Altair (currently part of GSKB Almaz-Antey) for the Russian Navy, according to Jane's Missiles & Rockets, received the GRAU designation 3S90M1 and will be identified with the NATO reporting name Gollum and a DoD designation SA-N-7C. The naval system is scheduled for delivery in 2014.[5]

Chieftain · « **Reply #33 on:** July 17, 2014, 07:04:59 pm »

As you can see, these are big missiles carried on a large tracked launcher, with a separate control vehicle. This is not some shoulder-fired stinger and an airliner would have absolutely no chance of surviving a hit. The ride down from 33,000 feet had to be terrifying for those who no doubt survived until impact.

flowers · « **Reply #34 on:** July 17, 2014, 07:08:21 pm »

Quote from: mystery-ak on July 17, 2014, 06:58:04 pm

He was upset with the State Dept's use of the term Highly Inappropriate.....

thanks.

flowers · « **Reply #35 on:** July 17, 2014, 07:12:53 pm »

Quote from: mystery-ak on July 17, 2014, 06:58:04 pm

He was upset with the State Dept's use of the term Highly Inappropriate.....

I decided to watch the video that is not the way I took it. he was upset about them not leading off with the plane crash.

flowers · « **Reply #36 on:** July 17, 2014, 07:15:01 pm »

Quote from: Chieftain on July 17, 2014, 07:04:59 pm

As you can see, these are big missiles carried on a large tracked launcher, with a separate control vehicle. This is not some shoulder-fired stinger and an airliner would have absolutely no chance of surviving a hit. The ride down from 33,000 feet had to be terrifying for those who no doubt survived until impact.

Which side is obie on? well yes I know his side but I ask because whoever the MSM blames will surely be the side obie wants to blame right? I also thought obie was not pleased with Putin, so I am thinking they will blame him?

flowers · « **Reply #37 on:** July 17, 2014, 07:17:14 pm »

Quote from: Chieftain on July 17, 2014, 07:04:59 pm

The ride down from 33,000 feet had to be terrifying for those who no doubt survived until impact.

I read the final report on that Egyptian plane many years ago when the pilot took it into the sea. That was horrible to read, they went up in altitude for a bit then down because the pilots where fighting for control of the plane. This too had to have been just horrible for them.

mystery-ak · « **Reply #38 on:** July 17, 2014, 07:20:24 pm »

http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/alert-president-putins-plane-might-have-been-the-target-for-ukrainian-missile-sources
ALERT -- President Putin's Plane Might Have Been The Target For Ukrainian Missile - Sources

Chieftain · « **Reply #39 on:** July 17, 2014, 07:24:24 pm »

Quote from: flowers on July 17, 2014, 07:15:01 pm

Which side is obie on? well yes I know his side but I ask because whoever the MSM blames will surely be the side obie wants to blame right? I also thought obie was not pleased with Putin, so I am thinking they will blame him?

That is a very good question. This could very well be the work of the "rebels" that Obammy was seeking support for. There is no telling who got their hands on these missiles though. The Soviets always did believe in quantity over quality, in fact Stalin used to say that quantity had a quality all its own. The Soviets make these things in droves, both launchers and missiles...there are thousands of them all over the place, and we already know how unsecure virtually everything is over there....

What worries me still is all of the talking we did over the last decade about missing Russian nukes, backpack nukes, unsecured nuclear material, etc. God only knows what's available over there if you know the right Tovarich......

Chieftain · « **Reply #40 on:** July 17, 2014, 07:25:44 pm »

Quote from: mystery-ak on July 17, 2014, 07:20:24 pm

http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/alert-president-putins-plane-might-have-been-the-target-for-ukrainian-missile-sources
ALERT -- President Putin's Plane Might Have Been The Target For Ukrainian Missile - Sources

Highly plausible.

John Kerry better hope nobody tries this with him.....

Just sayin'......

PzLdr · « **Reply #41 on:** July 17, 2014, 07:28:50 pm »

Quote from: GourmetDan on July 17, 2014, 05:52:45 pm

Obviously being used to demonize Russians and Russian separatists.

Best reason to think they didn't do it...

Except for the Russian track record in shooting down civilian aircraft. Korean Flight 007 ring a bell?

mystery-ak · « **Reply #42 on:** July 17, 2014, 07:29:23 pm »

http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/white-house-obama-will-still-attend-two-fundraisers-today-despite-fact-23-americans-were-blown-out-of-the-sky-over-ukraine

White House: Obama Will Still Attend Two Fundraisers Today Despite Fact 23 Americans Were Blown Out Of The Sky Over Ukraine…

flowers · « **Reply #43 on:** July 17, 2014, 07:30:46 pm »

Quote from: Chieftain on July 17, 2014, 07:24:24 pm

That is a very good question. This could very well be the work of the "rebels" that Obammy was seeking support for. There is no telling who got their hands on these missiles though. The Soviets always did believe in quantity over quality, in fact Stalin used to say that quantity had a quality all its own. The Soviets make these things in droves, both launchers and missiles...there are thousands of them all over the place, and we already know how unsecure virtually everything is over there....

What worries me still is all of the talking we did over the last decade about missing Russian nukes, backpack nukes, unsecured nuclear material, etc. God only knows what's available over there if you know the right Tovarich......

I am going to go with (for now) whoever the MSM blames, I will go with the opposite....

As far as the unsecured nuclear material......i think we will for sure see that event sooner than later with these people in charge.

mystery-ak · « **Reply #44 on:** July 17, 2014, 07:33:04 pm »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2696389/We-warned-not-fly-sky-Footage-emerges-gloating-Ukraine-rebel-evidence-emerges-Russian-missile-attacks-launched-border.html

'We warned you not to fly in our sky': Boasts of Russian separatist as evidence emerges of Putin's forces launching missiles into Ukraine days before MH17 disaster

Rebel commander tweeted about downing Ukrainian military plane
He said: 'We warned you - do not fly in our sky'
Chilling statement just before airliner downed over Ukraine-Russia border
As details about the Malaysia Airlines flight emerged, the tweet was deleted

By Will Stewart

Published: 13:49 EST, 17 July 2014 | Updated: 14:28 EST, 17 July 2014

GourmetDan · « **Reply #45 on:** July 17, 2014, 07:34:00 pm »

Quote from: PzLdr on July 17, 2014, 07:28:50 pm

Except for the Russian track record in shooting down civilian aircraft. Korean Flight 007 ring a bell?

Exactly why it would work so well to blame the Russkies when perhaps it was the Ukrainians trying to shoot down Putin's plane.

Quote from: mystery-ak on July 17, 2014, 07:20:24 pm

http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/alert-president-putins-plane-might-have-been-the-target-for-ukrainian-missile-sources
ALERT -- President Putin's Plane Might Have Been The Target For Ukrainian Missile - Sources

Either way... Kool-Aid is so good... believe what you are told to believe...

flowers · « **Reply #46 on:** July 17, 2014, 07:34:10 pm »

BREAKING NEWS:

FLIGHT MH17 HAD DIVERTED FROM ITS USUAL FLIGHT PATH. (CNN)

flowers · « **Reply #47 on:** July 17, 2014, 07:37:13 pm »

At approximately 12:50 pm, the motorcade stopped at the Charcoal Pit, a popular, established restaurant just north of Wilmington, Del. Known for its burgers and sundaes. Obama shook hands and mingled with many of the diners, stopping at one point to pick up seven-month old Jaidyn Oates, and pose for a photo.

He invoked Vice Presiident Biden’s name a few names, noting to some diners, “Me and Joe, we share shakes all the time,” and to others, “Biden told me the burgers are pretty good.”

Just before hugging another young girl, whose mother lifted her across the booth to hug the president, Obama asked, “Do you give good hugs?”

At 1:01 pm Obama declared, “I’m starving!” He sat down to eat with Tanei Benjamin, who wrote the president a year ago. The president ordered a 4-ounce “Pit special,” which is burger with fries. He asked for it to be done medium well, and to have lettuce and tomato. He also asked for a water with lemon.,/i>

http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2014/07/17/care-world/

Chieftain · « **Reply #48 on:** July 17, 2014, 07:44:15 pm »

#NotInterestedInPhotoOps

alicewonders · « **Reply #49 on:** July 17, 2014, 07:47:39 pm »

I just heard on Sean Hannity that today is the 18th anniversary of TWA 800 going down. That's a weird coincidence.