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Hmmmm......I don't know.....


kinda liked reading "....porking Callista!"     :silly:

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I also was against creating the DHS and TARP......  and people should never underestimate the effect of TARP on the 2008 election and the GOP loses that election.

TARP was necessary.  Only knuckle-dragging neanderthals don't realize that now.

And ALL of the money put up for TARP has been paid back.
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Please don't take this away from me DCP.  It's my only claim to fame.  I never win anything.

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TARP was necessary.  Only knuckle-dragging neanderthals don't realize that now.

And ALL of the money put up for TARP has been paid back.

Actually it hasn't... they used a shell game same as they did for GM and it's so-called payback... but thanks for reminding me, the GOP started the GM bailout, too.. something else I was against and we took a bath over.
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Actually it hasn't... they used a shell game same as they did for GM and it's so-called payback... but thanks for reminding me, the GOP started the GM bailout, too.. something else I was against and we took a bath over.

No,you're wrong.  All the TARP money was paid back. 

The GM money was not, courtesy of Barack Obama.
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Banks tap fund to repay TARP
US program has fewer restrictions; critics call switch another bailout

Republican Senator Olympia J. Snowe of Maine asked whether the fund was proving “to be a new TARP refinancing program.’’ (Associated Press)

By Todd Wallack


Hundreds of small banks that received US aid after the financial crisis appear to have found a creative way to repay the funds: obtain money from a different government program.

Most of the 627 banks that still hold money from the controversial Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP, have filed applications to roll the obligations into the government’s new Small Business Lending Fund, according to Treasury officials and the banks.

That includes at least two Massachusetts banks, Mercantile Capital Corp. in Boston and Central Co-operative Bank in Somerville.

TARP was widely tarred as a bailout for greedy banks, but the $30 billion small business lending program does not carry the same baggage. The new program would let many TARP recipients sharply reduce dividend payments to the government, while no longer facing strict restrictions on executive compensation.


“It’s a great deal’’ for banks, said Linus Wilson, assistant professor of finance at the University of Louisiana Lafayette, who has been tracking the programs. “The Small Business Lending Fund does not have the stigma that the TARP does.’’

For instance, Mercantile Capital, the parent of Mercantile Bank in Boston, has applied for more than $4 million in funding from the new program to replace the $3.5 million it received through TARP. The bank said it expects the funds to cost just 1 percent a year under the new small business lending program, compared to the 5 percent it pays now (and 9 percent in 2014) under TARP.

“It makes all the sense in the world’’ to switch, said Charles Monaghan, the bank’s chief executive.

TARP was created under the Bush administration in the midst of the financial crisis three years ago to pump capital into the financial system to allay fears the system might collapse. The Obama administration and Congress created the Small Business Lending Fund to increase lending by small and mid-size banks.

“The purpose of the [Small Business Lending Fund] is to encourage Main Street banks and small businesses to work together to help create jobs and promote economic growth,’’ said Colleen Murray, a Treasury Department spokeswoman.

But critics have derided the program as another bailout, nicknaming it TARP Jr. or Son of TARP.
At a hearing in May, Republican Senator Olympia J. Snowe of Maine questioned whether it was proving “largely to be a new TARP refinancing program.’’


The Treasury Department, which plans to begin approving applications for the program as early as next month, said it received 847 applications, including 315 from banks still holding TARP money.

Banks are not allowed to participate in both TARP and the small business fund at the same time, but the government told banks they could roll their TARP debt into the new program.

In some cases, banks could even qualify for more money than under TARP.


“Whether by intent or design, it is really turning into little more than a bailout of TARP,’’ said Neil Barofsky, former special inspector general for the Troubled Asset Relief Program and now a senior fellow at New York University School of Law. “It’s a rebranding of the same thing.’’


Initially, banks would pay up to 5 percent dividends under the new program, the same amount they pay under TARP. But banks that increase their lending by 10 percent from June 2010 will qualify for rates as low as 1 percent.


Some banks, such as Mercantile, would already qualify for the 1 percent rate because they have already boosted their lending over the past year. If banks can’t increase their lending, however, the rate will go up to 7 percent after 2 years and 9 percent after 4 1/2 years.


Most of the biggest banks, such as Bank of America, have already repaid the government with significant dividends and other premiums. But hundreds of smaller banks have been stuck in TARP because they have had a harder time raising outside capital. At the end of May, 627 banks, including four community banks in Massachusetts, held about $22 billion.


Many small banks have also been reluctant to pay back the government, either because they need the extra capital to maintain lending or want extra reserves in case the economy worsens.


“We’re afraid of the double dip,’’ said William Morrissey, president of Central Co-operative Bank, which has applied for $10 million from the Small Business Lending Fund, the same amount it received under TARP.


Not every bank is eligible for the new lending program, which is limited to small and mid-size banks with less than $10 billion in assets. And banks won’t be eligible if they are not current on TARP payments, have missed multiple payments, or are on the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp.’s list of troubled banks.


That includes OneUnited Bank in Boston, which has missed nine straight dividend payments. OneUnited received $12 million from the government in 2008 after intervention by US representatives Barney Frank of Massachusetts and Maxine Waters of California, both Democrats.


Another TARP recipient, the parent of Clinton Savings Bank, declined to say whether it has applied for the small business lending fund.


Chief executive Robert J. Paulhus Jr. said in a statement that the institution, which received $12 million through TARP, is examining its options.

http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2011/06/20/small_banks_turn_to_us_fund_to_repay_tarp_aid/?page=full
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Thank you, happyg...  if some people listened to Levin they would know this info........  government money is tax payers money any way you slice it.
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Thank you, happyg...  if some people listened to Levin they would know this info........  government money is tax payers money any way you slice it.

Amen! 
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You just go right on believing that the TARP bailout didn't prevent a depression.   Only idiots still think TARP wasn't necessary.
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You just go right on believing that the TARP bailout didn't prevent a depression.   Only idiots still think TARP wasn't necessary.

I was only referring to Rap's stating that "it's the peoples' money".

Don't have an opinion on TARP being necessary.  I agree it was "paid back" as opposed to the GM scam.

IMO, the financial crisis was contrived....like global warming.
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The TARP bailout was not paid back, unless you consider robbing Peter to pay Paul to be the definition of payback.

« Last Edit: March 16, 2014, 02:23:23 am by evadR² »
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The TARP bailout was not paid back, unless you consider robbing Peter to pay Paul to be the definition of payback.

Yep!
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For the period ending 09/30/2008, the four largest American banks (Bank of America, JP Morgan/Chase, Citigroup, and Wells Fargo) were reporting to the FDIC, Equity in the range of $500 billion with $75 billion of non-performing assets—again most in residential housing.   Annualized net income for 2008, based upon third quarter FDIC figures for the four banks mentioned above was being reported as a “positive” $30 billion.
 
Yet despite these numbers reported to the FDIC in October 2008, our leaders told us our financial system was about to collapse and that we needed to give Bank of America $45 billion, Citigroup $45 billion, JP Morgan/Chase $25 billion, and Wells Fargo $25 billion in TARP funds just to survive.  By the way, that is a total of $140 billion in TARP funds when the same banks were reporting Equity of $500 billion, non-performing assets of $75 billion, and annualized net income of $30 billion.


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/tarp-great-depression-2010-10#ixzz2w5YftJeH

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Yep!

OMG.  Happyg, you don't know what a "non-performing asset" is?    Or "Equity"? 

LOL!!  No wonder so many have no idea why TARP was necessary!!!
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OMG.  Happyg, you don't know what a "non-performing asset" is?    Or "Equity"? 

LOL!!  No wonder so many have no idea why TARP was necessary!!!

Actually, I do. Don't talk down to me, and I will reciprocate! Your arrogance is not attractive.

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As of the 2008 date those four banks were the strong ones, and they were given TARP money in connection with absorbing the troubles banks.

Therefore strong Bank Of America absorbed troubled Countrywide; strong Chase absorbed troubled WaMu (Washington Mutual).

The goal of TARP was NOT to rescue the strong banks, but rather to prevent total collapse of the troubled banks.

Troubled banks have assets and liabilities. The assets are the payments from their loans (non-performing loans) , and their liabilities are payments to their creditors.

When real estate prices tumbled, people stopped (or couldn't) make house payments. Hence Countrywide and WaMu were about to collapse.

When the four strong banks got TARP funds, and took over troubled banks that would fail on their own, the process prevented a domino effect of failures.

It can be argued after the fact that failures would have been the correct way to go, in reality the rescue was selected by a majority of our elected and appointed officials. It has also worked out satisfactorily, if not perfectly.

Historically our economy has been stable, partly because arrangements are made for strong financial institutions to absord weak or failing ones.



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The goal of TARP was NOT to rescue the strong banks, but rather to prevent total collapse of the troubled banks.]The goal of TARP was NOT to rescue the strong banks, but rather to prevent total collapse of the troubled banks.

That wasn't a goal, but a consequence. Why would the government give them money when they were solvent, and could have bought them without TARP?
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The goal of TARP was NOT to rescue the strong banks, but rather to prevent total collapse of the troubled banks.


That wasn't a goal, but a consequence. Why would the government give them money when they were solvent, and could have bought them without TARP?

Timothy Geithner was the one pushing our Treasury Secretary on this.........  the goverment caused the mess and then picked winners and losers and some like Bank of America were forced to take on bad loans from places like Countrywide when Countrywide should have gone bankrupt.
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That wasn't a goal, but a consequence. Why would the government give them money when they were solvent, and could have bought them without TARP?
Apparently the parties negotiated, until reaching agreement.In theory the TARP infusion was to offset the negative net worth of the acquired institutions.

Now  you explain the reasoning for not doing TARP. Include predicted consequences, intended or not.

A majority of elected representatives, two Presidents from two parties, most economists and bankers supported doing TARP, instead of risking even more bank failures, worse instability in the economy, etc.
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Apparently the parties negotiated, until reaching agreement.In theory the TARP infusion was to offset the negative net worth of the acquired institutions.

Now  you explain the reasoning for not doing TARP. Include predicted consequences, intended or not.

A majority of elected representatives, two Presidents from two parties, most economists and bankers supported doing TARP, instead of risking even more bank failures, worse instability in the economy, etc.

I don't think the necessity of TARP was the main question. I think the TARP discussion began when it was alleged that the banks had paid it back. From all I can tell the banks performed a shell game where they did their best to make it APPEAR as thought they had paid it back.
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Apparently the parties negotiated, until reaching agreement.In theory the TARP infusion was to offset the negative net worth of the acquired institutions.

Now  you explain the reasoning for not doing TARP. Include predicted consequences, intended or not.

A majority of elected representatives, two Presidents from two parties, most economists and bankers supported doing TARP, instead of risking even more bank failures, worse instability in the economy, etc.

That would take a lot more time than I think anyone here has to devote to the subject.  That being said, the mere fact that there was so much agreement in the face of what was a truly terrifying event for politicians and heads of government everywhere - they had a lot to lose if hindsight showed they had merely stood by while the worst happened - doesn't mean that much; case in point:  the reaction after 9/11 including the PATRIOT Act which is one of the most grotesque laws passed in 100 years or more, and the near unanimous passage of that law was driven by a very similar panicked reaction by politicians.

As a quick, off the cuff thought, it might have made more sense to have ramped up the receivership divisions of the FDIC and other financial regulators to put failing banks into immediate receivership; along with that creative - and legitimate - use could have been made of the bankruptcy courts, which would have allowed the receivers to put the brakes on creditors, including the unaffected banks, from running in to scavenge the carcasses of the failing banks.

Of course that would have required that the receivers have access to financial resources provided by the gov't, but it would have been in a much more controlled, understood context, and not the willy-nilly throwing about of cash that happened under TARP.

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"The Tea Party has a right to feel cheated.

When does the Republican Party, put in the majority by the Tea Party, plan to honor its commitment to halt the growth of the Federal monolith and bring the budget back into balance"?

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OMG.  Happyg, you don't know what a "non-performing asset" is?    Or "Equity"? 

LOL!!  No wonder so many have no idea why TARP was necessary!!!

What would the internet discussion forums do w/o Sinkspur's rational, superior intellect?
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What would the internet discussion forums do w/o Sinkspur's rational, superior intellect?

just my opinion here....

Gazoo....why are you always poking sticks, trying to start sh*t?

Stop being a bully. 
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just my opinion here....

Gazoo....why are you always poking sticks, trying to start sh*t?

Stop being a bully.

Personally, I thought happyg handled it perfectly.  But I'm just a "100-post" guy.

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Personally, I thought happyg handled it perfectly.  But I'm just a "100-post" guy.

You're absolutely right about that.   And 'quick studies' are valued 'round here!   :beer:
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