Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China

[Atomic Cow]

A pilot said a plane dove from 35,000 feet nose first into the ocean would basically vaporize 

There would be severe destruction of the aircraft, but there are pieces which would survive.  Other than the data recorders, the tail fin likely would as would the main wing box structure.  Materials which do not really take damage from sudden deceleration would survive, such as seat cushions, a lot of typical luggage components, etc. and most of those also float.

[Chieftain]

A pilot said a plane dove from 35,000 feet nose first into the ocean would basically vaporize 

Pure nonsense.  You cannot destroy matter, and hitting the ocean would not generate enough force to vaporize much more than a tiny bit of ocean water.

[Rapunzel]

So around the time they shut down the transponders the plane rose to 45,000 feet and then dove to 23,000 feet and went in a zig-zag pattern before they lost track of it.

[Chieftain]

So around the time they shut down the transponders the plane rose to 45,000 feet and then dove to 23,000 feet and went in a zig-zag pattern before they lost track of it.

Exactly.  Right before it vaporized..........................

 

[Atomic Cow]

So around the time they shut down the transponders the plane rose to 45,000 feet and then dove to 23,000 feet and went in a zig-zag pattern before they lost track of it.

That's one "report."

Another is it dropped 40,000 feet in 60 seconds.

Another says the Chinese detected a "seismic event" where the aircraft originally disappeared. (Given the seismic history of that region, I would not read much into it.)

The truth is, no one seems to have a clue, and those who do, are not talking.

[Rapunzel]

Exactly.  Right before it vaporized..........................

 

Mock me all you want, they showed the stats on O'Reilly tonight and Greta earlier.

[Rapunzel]

A UK based satellite company received pings from the jet after it "went dark"

Climbed to 45,000 (oxgen masks would have come out and once oxygen quit the passengers would have died) then it made a U turn and made a lefts and rights, going up and down and and dropped down to the 20,000 level........

[Rapunzel]

confirmation of the sequential shutdown of the tracking equipment

[Rapunzel]

Pilots telling Megyn Kelly that heavy of plane would struggle once past 38,000 because the spread is about 10 mph at that altitude

[happyg]

Do you think all the passengers were intentionally asphyxiated? I hope not, but why else would they go so high?

[Rapunzel]

Do you think all the passengers were intentionally asphyxia? I hope not, but why else would they go so high?

Sounds like it.  What better way for them to not fight you to take back control of the plane.

[Rapunzel]

The erratic flying would have been from trying to control the plane at that high an altitude - which all the experts on the panel Megyn Kelly has on are saying would have been difficult at that altitude...   General McInerny thinks the drop to 23,000 possibly was trying to gain control over the plane and then they got control and climbed back to 29,000

[Atomic Cow]

A UK based satellite company received pings from the jet after it "went dark"

Climbed to 45,000 (oxgen masks would have come out and once oxygen quit the passengers would have died) then it made a U turn and made a lefts and rights, going up and down and and dropped down to the 20,000 level........

The O2 system for passengers lasts about 15 minutes.  Even after that, people wouldn't die in an instant.  It takes time to die from hypoxia.  The cabin staff have their own O2 bottles, which last longer.  The pilots have a separate O2 system which lasts in most cases well over an hour.

The 777 is designed to cruise at just over 43,000 feet.

The question is, how long were they flying at 45,000?

[Rapunzel]

The co-pilot only recently graduated into the cockpit. He's described as "a good Muslim"

[Rapunzel]

There would be severe destruction of the aircraft, but there are pieces which would survive.  Other than the data recorders, the tail fin likely would as would the main wing box structure.  Materials which do not really take damage from sudden deceleration would survive, such as seat cushions, a lot of typical luggage components, etc. and most of those also float.

BTW someone said yesterday that no one is talking about what might have been in the cargo of this plane - for instance were they transporting Gold to China???

[Atomic Cow]

BTW someone said yesterday that no one is talking about what might have been in the cargo of this plane - for instance were they transporting Gold to China???

It's also possible that the cargo was nothing special and not even worth mentioning.

[Rapunzel]

USA is more involved which is why we are finally receiving more data.

[Oceander]

BTW someone said yesterday that no one is talking about what might have been in the cargo of this plane - for instance were they transporting Gold to China???

A significant cargo of lithium batteries.  Apparently there have been a number of accidents, mostly with cargo planes, involving lithium batteries that start a fire; however, that has been discounted because of the fact that the airplane kept flying for so long after its transponders were turned off.

[Oceander]

Apropos of nothing, I personally am getting a little tired of the repeated, and baseless, slurs against someone just because that person happens to be a practicing muslim.  That doesn't help anyone or anything and done often enough starts to make this place look a little crack-potty.

V. Putin is a devout member of the Russian Orthodox Church; does that mean that all members of the Russian Orthodox Church are tyrants with designs on their neighbors' property?

[Rapunzel]

USA is more involved which is why we are finally receiving more data.

Don't know if it went to the Bay of Bengal or the China Sea........

[olde north church]

USA is more involved which is why we are finally receiving more data.

There's someone scooting around D.C. these days who was raised in Indonesia.

[Atomic Cow]

A significant cargo of lithium batteries.  Apparently there have been a number of accidents, mostly with cargo planes, involving lithium batteries that start a fire; however, that has been discounted because of the fact that the airplane kept flying for so long after its transponders were turned off.

A lithium battery fire would have started slow and the crew would have known there was a problem due to fire warnings from the cargo hold.  However, after a few minutes, lithium battery fires begin a runway process and you get a rapidly growing fire that the cargo hold suppression system cannot handle.  Such a fire would have destroyed the aircraft in probably 10 minutes or less.

This is why they are banned as cargo from US passenger aircraft.

[Oceander]

A lithium battery fire would have started slow and the crew would have known there was a problem due to fire warnings from the cargo hold.  However, after a few minutes, lithium battery fires begin a runway process and you get a rapidly growing fire that the cargo hold suppression system cannot handle.  Such a fire would have destroyed the aircraft in probably 10 minutes or less.

This is why they are banned as cargo from US passenger aircraft.

exactly, which I believe is why the investigators have discounted that possibility now given that we have proof the plane continued flying for several hours after it "disappeared."

[Rapunzel]

Fox alert.. Malaysia is now saying the plane was hijacked.

[Rapunzel]

Greta Van Susteren ‏@gretawire 1m

Breaking news: Malaysian investigators conclude plane hijacked by pilot or other - see http://gretawire.com
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