Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China

[Oceander]

Then you obviously weren't one of the many thousands who witnessed the Phoenix Lights.

It blacked out the stars in the night sky as it glided overhead....estimates had it at OVER A MILE WIDE!


....not saying it wasn't an explosive on board.   Just sayin.   

which ones, the string of flares dropped from the USAF A-10 Warthogs, or the lights from the 5-plane formation that flew overhead?

[Howie66]

Meanwhile the FAA is trying to find a way to blame President George W. Bush for this mishap.

[Atomic Cow]

Merged topics.  Please keep all of the MH370 articles on this thread.

[kevindavis007]

FWIW..


I heard a pilot called Sean Hannity and he said it could be one a few things:


1. A big bomb.. A small bomb would not take down a 777.
2. A Missile
3. One of the pilots went Jihadi.. 

[DCPatriot]

which ones, the string of flares dropped from the USAF A-10 Warthogs, or the lights from the 5-plane formation that flew overhead?

Not going to hijack the thread topic...right now.

That said.....you don't want to go there regarding that evening over Phoenix.  I've digested countless reams of information and video of witnesses.

People are generally afraid....or lack some other human characteristic/trait when it comes to ignoring the world around them.

....whether it's a Marxist POTUS or UFOs.

[Oceander]

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People are generally afraid....or lack some other human characteristic/trait when it comes to ignoring the world around them.

....whether it's a Marxist POTUS or UFOs.

I quite agree, which is why I have the view I do.

[Atomic Cow]

FWIW..


I heard a pilot called Sean Hannity and he said it could be one a few things:


1. A big bomb.. A small bomb would not take down a 777.
2. A Missile
3. One of the pilots went Jihadi..

A small bomb in the right place would destroy the aircraft.  The bomb itself would not do it, but compromise the structure enough so the slipstream tears it apart.

[DCPatriot]

A small bomb in the right place would destroy the aircraft.  The bomb itself would not do it, but compromise the structure enough so the slipstream tears it apart.

But it wouldn't leave pieces no bigger than a human fist....which was the assertion of a perpendicular approach to the water at 650 mph.

Multiple suicide bombers pressing their red buttons simultaneously.  That's my best guess.

[Oceander]

A small bomb in the right place would destroy the aircraft.  The bomb itself would not do it, but compromise the structure enough so the slipstream tears it apart.

was the piece that came off of Aloha fl. 243 shredded or did it stay generally intact in large chunks?

[Atomic Cow]

was the piece that came off of Aloha fl. 243 shredded or did it stay generally intact in large chunks?

It was flying much lower and slower than MH370.

[Oceander]

It was flying much lower and slower than MH370.

understood; I'm just curious, in particular, I'm curious about how aluminum sheet metal rips.  If a bomb were to crack the eggshell, so to speak, and the slipstream started grabbing protruding edges, would it peel off in long strips, like an orange peel, or would it walk its way up and down the surface in a series of jagged doglegs, or would it simply pluck off little pieces one at a time, sort of like picking old peeling paint off of wood with your fingernails.

[kevindavis007]

A small bomb in the right place would destroy the aircraft.  The bomb itself would not do it, but compromise the structure enough so the slipstream tears it apart.

OK...

[Atomic Cow]

understood; I'm just curious, in particular, I'm curious about how aluminum sheet metal rips.  If a bomb were to crack the eggshell, so to speak, and the slipstream started grabbing protruding edges, would it peel off in long strips, like an orange peel, or would it walk its way up and down the surface in a series of jagged doglegs, or would it simply pluck off little pieces one at a time, sort of like picking old peeling paint off of wood with your fingernails.

The fuselage isn't one long continual strip of metal.  Aircraft are actually put together in sections.  So if there is enough damage to cause some of the outer skin to tear away, it will not simply run the entire length of the aircraft.  It will likely stop at a joint, which is what happened with Aloha 243.

Unlike in the movies, having a window blow out will not cause a giant piece of the fuselage to tear away.  It would take a bigger hole, combined with structural damage, to allow enough of the slipstream in and rip the aircraft apart.

Here is a pretty good video of how they put together a 737.  The 777 is done mostly the same way, just on a much larger scale.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWCw5DSPhx4

[DCPatriot]

Six Important Facts You’re Not Being Told About Lost Malaysia Airlines Flight 370



There are some astonishing things you’re not being told about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, the flight that simply vanished over the Gulf of Thailand with 239 people on board.

The mystery of the flight’s sudden and complete disappearance has even the world’s top air safety authorities baffled. “Air-safety and antiterror authorities on two continents appeared equally stumped about what direction the probe should take,” reports the Wall Street Journal.

• Fact #1: All Boeing 777 commercial jets are equipped with black box recorders that can survive any on-board explosion

No explosion from the plane itself can destroy the black box recorders. They are bomb-proof structures that hold digital recordings of cockpit conversations as well as detailed flight data and control surface data.

 

• Fact #2: All black box recorders transmit locator signals for at least 30 days after falling into the ocean

Yet the black box from this particular incident hasn’t been detected at all. That’s why investigators are having such trouble finding it. Normally, they only need to “home in” on the black box transmitter signal. But in this case, the absence of a signal means the black box itself — an object designed to survive powerful explosions — has either vanished, malfunctioned or been obliterated by some powerful force beyond the worst fears of aircraft design engineers.

 

• Fact #3: Many parts of destroyed aircraft are naturally bouyant and will float in water

In past cases of aircraft destroyed over the ocean or crashing into the ocean, debris has always been spotted floating on the surface of the water. That’s because — as you may recall from the safety briefing you’ve learned to ignore — “your seat cushion may be used as a flotation device.”

more at link...

http://www.viralnovelty.com/six-important-facts-youre-told-lost-malaysia-airlines-flight-370/

[Atomic Cow]

According to CNN, our illustrious government is now saying it was "not terrorism" and the people using the stolen passports were just part of a "human smuggling" operation.

[Atomic Cow]

Six Important Facts You’re Not Being Told About Lost Malaysia Airlines Flight 370



There are some astonishing things you’re not being told about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, the flight that simply vanished over the Gulf of Thailand with 239 people on board.

Actually all of that has been mentioned in the media plenty of times.

The author sounds like he is looking for a conspiracy.

[Oceander]

The fuselage isn't one long continual strip of metal.  Aircraft are actually put together in sections.  So if there is enough damage to cause some of the outer skin to tear away, it will not simply run the entire length of the aircraft.  It will likely stop at a joint, which is what happened with Aloha 243.

Unlike in the movies, having a window blow out will not cause a giant piece of the fuselage to tear away.  It would take a bigger hole, combined with structural damage, to allow enough of the slipstream in and rip the aircraft apart.

Here is a pretty good video of how they put together a 737.  The 777 is done mostly the same way, just on a much larger scale.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWCw5DSPhx4

just as background, I did two years of engineering in undergrad.  however, it seems to me that even a single section would still be a fairly large piece of material, so if it simply pulled away in large sections at the joints, there would be bigger rather than smaller fragments remaining.  What would it take to shred an individual section?

Also, we're talking about the exterior, but that, by itself, is metal and would tend to sink if not attached to something bouyant.  So perhaps the question might be:  what would break aparty and disperse the bouyant innards of an aircraft widely enough that it would make a debris field very hard to find?

[DCPatriot]

With satellites that carry cameras that can read the newspaper over your shoulder...and that was 20 years ago....there's no reason why black boxes are still not located.

Located....not recovered.

GPS technology we use is remedial tech when it comes to black boxes today.

It's a fair question without being labeled a conspiracy.....if they haven't located them yet, why not?

[Atomic Cow]

Also, we're talking about the exterior, but that, by itself, is metal and would tend to sink if not attached to something bouyant.  So perhaps the question might be:  what would break aparty and disperse the bouyant innards of an aircraft widely enough that it would make a debris field very hard to find?

Anything not firmly attached inside the aircraft upon an explosive decompression would be ejected from the aircraft.  Some things like lavatory doors could be ripped off (those would probably float) and some if not all of the overhead bins would open as well with their contents going flying.  Anyone not strapped in tightly could also be ejected out of the aircraft.  Aloha 243 lost a flight attendant that way as she was in the aisle right in the section with broke away.

You would have to completely breakup the aircraft for things like seats, parts of the galleys, main cabin doors, etc. to fall free and then float.

Edit: Something else that would be very easy to spot from the air, the on board life rafts and escape slides.  They would float, inflated or not, and IIRC, some models of life rafts will auto inflate when submerged in water.  Most if not all modern aircraft life rafts carry an emergency beacon which is also automatically activated upon inflation.

[Atomic Cow]

With satellites that carry cameras that can read the newspaper over your shoulder...and that was 20 years ago....there's no reason why black boxes are still not located.

Located....not recovered.

GPS technology we use is remedial tech when it comes to black boxes today.

It's a fair question without being labeled a conspiracy.....if they haven't located them yet, why not?

The data recorders do not have a GPS locator.  They have an locator beacon which pings so it can be found underwater.

If the pinging has not been heard, it means one of three things.

- The recorders are not in the water (meaning it crashed on land)
- They were destroyed (which would be the first instance of modern data recorders being destroyed in a crash)
- The aircraft did not crash thus nothing to find

After this, a GPS locator might be added to future models, but that will be up to the FAA.

[Chieftain]

Woulda, coulda, mighta, shoulda, oughta......still nothing but rampant speculation with absolutely nothing to support it.

For all we know the dumb bastards flying the plane opened a fuel dump on climbout and emptied the tanks.  Again, these are the world's worst trained pilots who have more time flying the autopilot than the aircraft.

There are three things to do in an airborne emergency:  Aviate, Navigate and Communicate.  The first of those three involves actually flying your aircraft and that means you have to be intimately familiar with it.  If all you can do in a real emergency is flip through computer screens looking for the right checklist then you and your passengers are doomed.

[Oceander]

The data recorders do not have a GPS locator.  They have an locator beacon which pings so it can be found underwater.

If the pinging has not been heard, it means one of three things.

- The recorders are not in the water (meaning it crashed on land)
- They were destroyed (which would be the first instance of modern data recorders being destroyed in a crash)
- The aircraft did not crash thus nothing to find

After this, a GPS locator might be added to future models, but that will be up to the FAA.

if the boxes fell into a deep, narrow crevasse wouldn't the pinging be hard to pick up as well?

[Atomic Cow]

Woulda, coulda, mighta, shoulda, oughta......still nothing but rampant speculation with absolutely nothing to support it.

For all we know the dumb bastards flying the plane opened a fuel dump on climbout and emptied the tanks.  Again, these are the world's worst trained pilots who have more time flying the autopilot than the aircraft.

There are three things to do in an airborne emergency:  Aviate, Navigate and Communicate.  The first of those three involves actually flying your aircraft and that means you have to be intimately familiar with it.  If all you can do in a real emergency is flip through computer screens looking for the right checklist then you and your passengers are doomed.

Turning on the fuel dump system will result in the aircraft screaming @ you that you're dumping fuel.  Also, it will not empty the tanks.  It will automatically shut off at a certain level and cannot be overridden.

[Atomic Cow]

if the boxes fell into a deep, narrow crevasse wouldn't the pinging be hard to pick up as well?

That's exactly what happened to the recorders from Air France 447 and why it took 2 years to find them.

Not sure what the topography of the area is, but at this point, no one has a clue where it crash, or even if it crashed.

[Oceander]

Woulda, coulda, mighta, shoulda, oughta......still nothing but rampant speculation with absolutely nothing to support it.

For all we know the dumb bastards flying the plane opened a fuel dump on climbout and emptied the tanks.  Again, these are the world's worst trained pilots who have more time flying the autopilot than the aircraft.

There are three things to do in an airborne emergency:  Aviate, Navigate and Communicate.  The first of those three involves actually flying your aircraft and that means you have to be intimately familiar with it.  If all you can do in a real emergency is flip through computer screens looking for the right checklist then you and your passengers are doomed.

that still doesn't explain why the plane dropped off the radar.