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« Reply #175 on: March 10, 2014, 03:55:59 am »
Do the black boxes have their own transponders, and if so, how strong a signal do they emit?

They have a locator beacon for finding them underwater.  Since sound travels very well underwater, it would be very easy to pickup with the right equipment.  I would imagine the warships in the area are listening for them.  I'm surprised someone hasn't dispatched an attack sub to the area to listen for them.  That is what the French did to look for the data recorders from Air France 447.  Unfortunately those were in the bottom of a canyon which blocked the signal so they were not found until much later.

The batteries in the data recorders are good for 30 days.
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« Reply #176 on: March 10, 2014, 03:56:38 am »
They are supposed to ping for 30 days - but didn't the Air France boxes ping for a lot longer than 30 days? and they were at 10,000 feet deep.
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« Reply #177 on: March 10, 2014, 03:59:34 am »
They are supposed to ping for 30 days - but didn't the Air France boxes ping for a lot longer than 30 days? and they were at 10,000 feet deep.

No one knows how long the batteries lasted.  Both were found 2 years later.
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« Reply #178 on: March 10, 2014, 04:31:13 am »
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« Reply #179 on: March 10, 2014, 04:31:45 am »
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Hijack not ruled out in disappearance of #MalaysiaAirlines flight #MH370, Malaysia civil aviation dept chief tells news conference -BBC
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« Reply #180 on: March 10, 2014, 04:34:52 am »
They have a locator beacon for finding them underwater.  Since sound travels very well underwater, it would be very easy to pickup with the right equipment.  I would imagine the warships in the area are listening for them.  I'm surprised someone hasn't dispatched an attack sub to the area to listen for them.  That is what the French did to look for the data recorders from Air France 447.  Unfortunately those were in the bottom of a canyon which blocked the signal so they were not found until much later.

The batteries in the data recorders are good for 30 days.

Maybe someone has, but they haven't found anything (obviously).

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« Reply #181 on: March 10, 2014, 04:36:14 am »
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« Reply #182 on: March 10, 2014, 10:29:12 am »
I've tried to find the exact source, maybe someone could assist, that the human body (or corpse) survives falls from height better than airplane fragments.  They may be better off looking for bodies than large debris fields.
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« Reply #183 on: March 10, 2014, 12:26:34 pm »
Officials Identify Plane Passenger Who Used Stolen Passport

Two suspects on Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 who used stolen passports had no record of entering Malaysia legally, officials say.

Malaysia’s Inspector General of Police, Tan Sri Khalid Abu Bakar, said Monday that the identity of one of the two suspects has been confirmed.

“He is not a Malaysian, but I cannot divulge which country he is from yet,” he said.

Two passengers managed to board the ill-fated aircraft using passports reported stolen in Thailand in recent years, booking their tickets at the same time. The passports belonged to Italian and Austrian residents.

Rescue crews are continuing to search for the jetliner, which departed from Kuala Lumpur en route to Beijing with 239 people on board. The plane lost contact with ground controllers Saturday between Malaysia and Vietnam.

Dozens of aircraft and ships have contributed to the search, including crews from Vietnam, China, Singapore, Indonesia, the United States, Thailand, Australia and the Philippines, Malaysia Civil Aviation Chief Azharuddin Abdul Rahman said at a Monday press conference.

Malaysia has led coordination efforts in the search for the missing plane. The country’s Transport Minister, Hishammuddin Hussein, said Malaysia has nothing to hide – and denied allegations that China is unhappy with the investigation so far. Hishammuddin said China is sending a delegation to Malaysia to assist in identifying the passengers who held fake passports. Representatives are also helping with intelligence and relatives of the missing passengers.

During a Monday press briefing, a reporter asked Hussein about reports that a media personality received an open letter from the Leader of Chinese Martyr Brigade claiming responsibility for the incident. When asked about the letter, a Malaysian official said, "Yes, there is sound ground to say it is true, but again, we have said from the beginning that we are not taking anything for granted."  ...
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« Reply #184 on: March 10, 2014, 12:50:44 pm »
Chinese group claims plane disappearance amid parallels to Lockerbie
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March 10, 2014 | 8:42am

A shadowy group called the Chinese Martyrs’ Brigade has claimed responsibility for the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 – but officials were skeptical and said the claim could be a hoax.

The group – unheard of before now – on Sunday sent an email to journalists across China that read: “You kill one of our clan, we will kill 100 of you as pay back,” but the message provided no details of what brought the flight down. And Malaysia’s acting Transport Minister, Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein, told reporters at Kuala Lumpur International Airport Monday he doubted the claim’s legitimacy.

“There is no sound or credible grounds to justify their claims,” he said, according to Malaysian news reports.

Other officials said the claim could be a hoax aimed at increasing ethnic tensions between Uighurs and Han Chinese in the wake of the recent knife attack at in the southwestern city of Kunming on March 1 that left 29 people dead and injured about 140 others.

The message was delivered through an encrypted Hushmail anonymous service that is virtually impossible to trace, they said.

Investigators also said Monday that debris spotted from the air that was originally believed to be from the plane turned out to be a large cable spool unconnected to the aircraft. Officials also said that testing showed that an oil slick thought to possibly be from the plane had no connection to the aircraft.

Meanwhile, investigators suspect the vanished Malaysian airliner may have been blown out of the sky — just like the jumbo jet that rained deadly wreckage onto Lockerbie, Scotland, in 1988.

A senior official involved in the probe of its disappearance said the evidence so far “appears to indicate that the aircraft is likely to have disintegrated at around 35,000 feet,” Reuters reported.

Asked if that suggested a bomb blew up the Boeing 777, the source said there was no evidence yet of foul play, but noted the closest parallels to the plane’s disappearance early Saturday over the South China Sea were the 1980s bombings of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie and Air India Flight 182 off the coast of Ireland.

Although the source added that the flight, en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, could have broken apart due to mechanical failure, Malaysian officials have not ruled out a hijacking.

Meanwhile, Hussein said authorities have surveillance video of the two passengers who boarded the plane using stolen passports.

One had been identified, officials said, though they refused to release a name or nationality, other than to say he appeared to be Asian.

Malaysian Home Minister Ahmad Zahid Hamidi said the other passenger also appeared to be Asian, and blasted the border officials who let them through while carrying passports from Austria and Italy.

“Can’t these immigration officials think? Italian and Austrian [passport holders] but with Asian faces,” Hamidi fumed.

Five booked passengers failed to show up for the flight, according to The Wall Street Journal.

Other troubling details emerged when a telephone operator on a China-based hot line for KLM airlines confirmed Sunday that the passengers traveling with the stolen passports had booked one-way tickets on the same KLM flight from Beijing to Amsterdam on Saturday.

The operator told The Associated Press that they had booked the tickets through China Southern Airlines, but she had no information on where they bought them.

Interpol — which called the use of the stolen passports a “great concern” — said a check of all documents presented by passengers on the ill-fated flight also revealed additional “suspect passports.”

An Interpol spokeswoman couldn’t say how many other passports were being investigated, or what country or countries issued them.

Malaysia’s air-force chief, Rodzali Daud, said radar showed the plane — which carried 239 people — may have turned back toward Kuala Lumpur.

No distress signals from the crew were reported.
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« Reply #185 on: March 10, 2014, 01:19:07 pm »
As already posted. They know the nationality of the two confirmed passport thiefs but will not say. Who knows anymore how many?

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Mystery of the FIVE passengers who checked in for doomed Malaysia flight but never boarded as search teams say they have no wreckage, no signals and no clues

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Men who used stolen passports not of Asian appearance, investigators say
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« Reply #186 on: March 10, 2014, 04:45:42 pm »
Two men who used stolen passports to board the missing Malaysia Airlines passenger jet have been isolated on surveillance video, officials said today.

The investigation into the disappearance of the jetliner with 239 passengers and crew has centered so far around the fact that two passengers used passports stolen from an Austrian and an Italian. The plane which left Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, was headed for Beijing. Three of the passengers, one adult and two children, were American.

Today Malaysia's Civil Aviation Chief Azaharuddin Abdul Rahman said officials had reviewed surveillance tape of the plane's boarding "from check-in right to departure."

"I can confirm that all security protocols had been complied with," he said.

When asked about the two men who used the stolen passports, Rahman replied, "We confirmed now they are not Asian looking males."

When pressed to describe them, he said indicated that one of the men is black
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« Reply #187 on: March 10, 2014, 05:47:04 pm »
Two men who used stolen passports to board the missing Malaysia Airlines passenger jet have been isolated on surveillance video, officials said today.

The investigation into the disappearance of the jetliner with 239 passengers and crew has centered so far around the fact that two passengers used passports stolen from an Austrian and an Italian. The plane which left Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, was headed for Beijing. Three of the passengers, one adult and two children, were American.

Today Malaysia's Civil Aviation Chief Azaharuddin Abdul Rahman said officials had reviewed surveillance tape of the plane's boarding "from check-in right to departure."

"I can confirm that all security protocols had been complied with," he said.

When asked about the two men who used the stolen passports, Rahman replied, "We confirmed now they are not Asian looking males."

When pressed to describe them, he said indicated that one of the men is black
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« Reply #188 on: March 10, 2014, 05:52:16 pm »
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Authorities have revealed one of the two men who used stolen passports to board the missing Malaysian Airlines plane looked like Mario Balotelli.

As it emerged an Iranian businessman known only as Mr Ali was understood to have booked the tickets for the two passengers using the stolen passports, the men who boarded the plane were said to have not been of 'Asian appearance'.

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« Reply #189 on: March 10, 2014, 05:58:18 pm »
Oh Lawd...  :silly:

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Another claims that some relatives of the passengers onboard have even reported hearing their phones ring--but no one is answering.

Other tin foilers have gone so far as to suggest that the plane simply vanished. "If we never find the debris," writes one skeptic, "it means some entirely new, mysterious and powerful force is at work on our planet which can pluck airplanes out of the sky without leaving behind even a shred of evidence."

Another, just as bizarre conspiracy theory suggests terrorists hijacked the plane, and have parked the plane intact in an abandoned hanger to use as "a weapon of mass destruction" in the future:
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« Reply #190 on: March 10, 2014, 06:09:44 pm »


Asian as in "Oriental" or Asian as in Pakistani/Iranian/Afghani?
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« Reply #191 on: March 10, 2014, 06:41:57 pm »
Sounding more and more like the Bojinka project from pre Oklahoma City era when then terrorists in Indonesia were playing with bomb making to blow planes up at high altitudes over water.
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« Reply #192 on: March 10, 2014, 10:09:56 pm »
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Malaysian Flight: Search Continues, Terrorism Suspected




The sudden mid-flight disintegration of a Malaysian Airlines flight to Beijing appears increasingly likely to have been an act of terrorism. No group has claimed responsibility, but there are two chief suspects: The East Turkestan Islamic Movement and/or Jamaat e-Islami. Both have Al-Qaeda links.

All 239 passengers are thought to have perished in the disappearance of the Boeing 777. Although no firm conclusion has been reached, the most probable cause is an intentional explosion.

There was no distress signal from the pilots, as would happen in the event of a weather emergency, mechanical failure or hijacking. It is believed that the plane exploded at around 35,000 feet in the air. There are no signs of poor weather in the area. Malaysian Airlines has a good reputation and the specific flight was recently examined and cleared of any problems.

The suspected culprits are two passengers who got on board using European passports that were stolen in Thailand up to two years ago. Their tickets were purchased together, $625 apiece in Thai currency. Interpol says it is looking at other “suspect passports,” but the Malaysian Transportation Minister said reports that there were two more suspects are false.

After the passports were reported stolen in 2012 and 2013, Interpol logged them into its international database. It stated that no country accessed its database to check on those specific passports since then, which is how the two passengers were able to enter the aircraft.

If the disappearance was indeed a terrorist attack, it was most likely aimed at China. It was a flight headed towards Beijing, so the operatives understood that the majority of the passengers would be of that nationality. The list of passengers shows that 154 were Chinese or Taiwanese. There were also three Americans, but it is improbable that the perpetrators knew the nationalities of all those onboard.

One of the big questions remaining is whether it is true that the flight turned around. This would suggest that the pilot knew of an emergency, but it is then a mystery why no distress signal was sent.

If the target was China, then the most obvious suspect is the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, a Chinese Islamist terrorist group that operates in Pakistan and Xinjiang Province, a Muslim-majority province of western China. Its Turkic population is called Uyghurs and separatists refer to the autonomous province as East Turkestan. It had independence from 1644-1911 and 1944-1949.

The Chinese authorities periodically clash with the Uyghurs. While most are Sufi Muslims and are not considered radical, there are Islamist terrorists among them like ETIM. The group dramatically increased the scope of its violence this year.

On October 28, the first major suicide attack took place in Beijing in Tiananmen Square, when the vehicle collided into a crowd and a gate and then burst into flames. Two tourists died, as did the three inside the vehicle. ETIM didn’t claim responsibility until November 12 but when it did, it said it was a “jihadi operation.” It was claimed under the name of Turkestan Islamic Party (TIP), which is widely thought to be ETIM under another name.

On March 1, a terrorist knife attack in a Kunming train station killed 29 civilians and four terrorists. The Chinese government blames Urghur terrorists and said East Turkestan flags were found at the scene. At least two women were involved, an interesting fact considering that ETIM has released videos of its female

and child recruits. ETIM has not yet claimed responsibility, but Uyghur terrorists have carried out knife attacks before.

The disappearance of the Malaysian Airlines flight comes shortly after TIP published a video of a Uyghur cleric threatening to kill and behead Chinese Buddhists and “cut you piece by piece” and insulting their “small eyes, flat noses.”

“Judgment day will not come, until we attacked them. Judgment day will not come, until we slaughter them. Judgment day will not come, until our war with them and attacking them,” a translation reads.

ETIM/TIP is known to have links to Al-Qaeda and the Taliban. Abdul Haq, its leader that was killed in Pakistan in 2010, was a member of Al-Qaeda’s Shura Council. In 2009, a senior Al-Qaeda leader in Pakistan urged Muslims to attack China. Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb also threatens to kill Chinese workers in North Africa.

In August, a U.S. drone strike in Pakistan killed four terrorists from Turkmenistan that worked with a Taliban leader in North Waziristan. They are believed to belong to TIP. The State Department says ETIM fights alongside Al-Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan and that two members were deported from Kyrgyzstan in 2002 after they tried to bomb the U.S. embassy.

ETIM/TIP is not known to have a network in Thailand that could steal the passports and is not thought to have advanced explosives. If it is responsible, it may have got training and/or equipment from an Al-Qaeda affiliate in the region. Alternatively, an Al-Qaeda affiliate could have perpetrated the attack itself in support of the ETIM cause.

Al-Qaeda has a long history in southeast Asia (including Thailand) and specifically in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, where the flight departed from. Top Al-Qaeda leaders met there from January 5-8, 2000 to plan the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen and the 9/11 attacks. Two of the 9/11 hijackers, Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, went to Bangkok, Thailand after the meeting.

The best positioned affiliate is Jemahh Islamiya (JI), which as carried out massive bombings before and is known to operate in Thailand, Indonesia and Malaysia. It has yet to target or directly threaten China, but its Al-Qaeda colleagues and supervisors have. Orders could have come from above, as Al-Qaeda chief Ayman al-Zawahiri has held secret calls with over 20 Al-Qaeda operatives at a time to coordinate terrorist campaigns.

JI is best known for the 2002 bombings in Bali, Indonesia that killed over 200 people. It has carried out  various other attacks in Indonesia and has targeted Western interests in the Philippines and Singapore, as well. A senior leader was captured in Thailand in 2003. In 1995, he helped oversee a failed plot to blow up 11 American airliners in Asia.

The threat from groups like ETIM should make China reconsider its support for Iran and Hamas. Al-Qaeda leaders allied to ETIM operate from Iran and they all share the same Islamist ideology that inspires violent jihad.

The March 1 knife massacre was framed as “China’s 9/11.” If the disappearance of the Malaysian Airlines flight is the handiwork of ETIM or another Al-Qaeda affiliate, then the commentators spoke too soon.

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« Reply #193 on: March 10, 2014, 10:38:34 pm »
A tripple 7 pilot called in to the Hannity Radio program, he said he thinks either a bomb - a LARGE bomb because a small bomb could not blow the 777 out of the sky or in his opinion with no wreckage being found one of the pilots went jihand and dove it into the sea.  He said at 650mph straight into the sea the plane and the passengers would basically vaporize and the pieces would be no larger than your fist.  He said there would be an oil slick from the fuel on board, but that is pretty much the only thing you would see.
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« Reply #194 on: March 10, 2014, 10:43:00 pm »
A tripple 7 pilot called in to the Hannity Radio program, he said he thinks either a bomb - a LARGE bomb because a small bomb could not blow the 777 out of the sky or in his opinion with no wreckage being found one of the pilots went jihand and dove it into the sea.  He said at 650mph straight into the sea the plane and the passengers would basically vaporize and the pieces would be no larger than your fist.  He said there would be an oil slick from the fuel on board, but that is pretty much the only thing you would see.

The only problem with the straight-into-the-ocean theory is that the plane would have been visible on radar almost all the way down; this one disappeared after dropping only 600 feet or so.

By process of elimination it seems that the only viable alternative is a very large bomb that blew up at the plane's cruising altitude and shattered it so finely that the debris scattered too widely to easily find.

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« Reply #195 on: March 10, 2014, 10:52:20 pm »
The only problem with the straight-into-the-ocean theory is that the plane would have been visible on radar almost all the way down; this one disappeared after dropping only 600 feet or so.

By process of elimination it seems that the only viable alternative is a very large bomb that blew up at the plane's cruising altitude and shattered it so finely that the debris scattered too widely to easily find.

I know, the radar part is what keeps nagging at me...  the only other possibility is aliens.
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« Reply #196 on: March 10, 2014, 11:09:48 pm »
I know, the radar part is what keeps nagging at me...  the only other possibility is aliens.

Fair enough, although I think that Occam's Razor would put a big bomb ahead of aliens.

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« Reply #197 on: March 10, 2014, 11:12:29 pm »
Fair enough, although I think that Occam's Razor would put a big bomb ahead of aliens.


Then you obviously weren't one of the many thousands who witnessed the Phoenix Lights.

It blacked out the stars in the night sky as it glided overhead....estimates had it at OVER A MILE WIDE!


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« Reply #198 on: March 10, 2014, 11:19:10 pm »
Is there a way to disable the tracking software and hardware on a plane?  Maybe there is now.
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« Reply #199 on: March 10, 2014, 11:24:28 pm »
The only problem with the straight-into-the-ocean theory is that the plane would have been visible on radar almost all the way down; this one disappeared after dropping only 600 feet or so.

By process of elimination it seems that the only viable alternative is a very large bomb that blew up at the plane's cruising altitude and shattered it so finely that the debris scattered too widely to easily find.

I spoke with a retired (40years+) FAA friend a little while ago about this very thing. He informed me  that aircraft in flight are NOT always visible to ATCs on radar.  In fact there are large gaps in radar coverage in many air routes and particularly those which fly over large areas of water.  That is astonishing to me but the guy I was talking to IS an expert and has participated in the investigation of many aircraft disasters over the years.
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