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Offline sinkspur

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Re: ObamaCare and the “let it burn” theory of socialist collapse
« Reply #50 on: September 27, 2013, 07:49:26 pm »
Definition of OBSTINATE:  perversely adhering to an opinion, purpose, or course in spite of reason, arguments, or persuasion

Funny you would highlight the three things that have been most missing from this discussion. 

All the threats of primarying those Senators who disagree, filling their email boxes with bile, are the furthest things from reason or persuasion.
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Re: ObamaCare and the “let it burn” theory of socialist collapse
« Reply #51 on: September 27, 2013, 08:09:16 pm »
Excuse me....but I haven't seen "reason, arguments, or persuasion" in any SERIOUS attempt, except perhaps Rapunzel.

Virtually all the rest are piling on.....somehow under the impression that joining in with insults and direct attacks....it proves weakness and flaws in Sinkspur's position.  It doesn't....to anybody who's been paying attention for the last, oh.....DECADE!

A lot of posters apparently don't like Sinkspur.   Instead they seem to prefer an echo chamber.

....to which I say..."NUTZ!!"

Please advise as to what YOU think constitutes a reasoned argument.

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Re: ObamaCare and the “let it burn” theory of socialist collapse
« Reply #52 on: September 27, 2013, 08:11:59 pm »
Now it is tedious. 
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Taking a break.  (I'll be back.)
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Re: ObamaCare and the “let it burn” theory of socialist collapse
« Reply #53 on: September 27, 2013, 08:29:42 pm »
Perhaps we should take a little trip to Greece, Portugal or Spain and ask conservatives there how the "let it burn" theory is working out for them.  The trouble is that socialism doesn't burn like a fire, it smolders and smolders and smolders until it finally takes its final  gasps.  The Soviets kept their system going for four generations, and they had nowhere near the sophistication we have to artificially prop up things in the USA today.

No, if OPapaDoc-care is allowed to blossom, it will never go away.  Never.

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Re: ObamaCare and the “let it burn” theory of socialist collapse
« Reply #54 on: September 27, 2013, 08:44:21 pm »
It is the common perception that he typifies the TP.

Perception is reality. He who has the power to shape perception, has the real power.

What I said was not a personal attack, It was a statement of fact. From the time Romney lost you have blamed Akin equating him with the Tea Party. I have excellent recall memory, but we also have excellent archives here by posters posting history. On November 7th this was your post:

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Obama's play to women is that the GOP is Akin & Mourdock; so I agree with you.

The Tea Party of 2010 was co-opted into the selection of religious whacks who lost easy GOP Senate seats.

The Tea Party needs to be reconstituted back to the economic agenda which led to the 2010 House takeover, instead of giving up more seats in a pursuit of social issue purity.

Anybody that can't see that writing is blind. Bachmann is another example, whether she wins or loses.

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In Missouri and Indiana, the GOP should have won those Senate races. The social issue emhasis, like self-inflicted wounds, turned wins into losses.

The great Tea Party of 2010 got co-opted by the religious faction, whereby they override common sense candidates, in favor of foot-in-mouth idiots.


In poker they say everyone has a "tell" - we all have a "tell" in posting.  I have them, you have them everyone has them.  You have made it clear you have no respect for the Tea Party candidates, Rush Limbaugh,religious conservatives and all blacks have an IQ of 85....  insisting it is they who have to change not the other way around.  That is fine, those are your beliefs, many of us here do not necessarily agree and when you denigrate the Tea Party or even those of us who dare post on conservative forums or listen to Limbaugh I think you do know you are insulting us and you do it to get a reaction.  But the "perception" that Akin was Tea Party is something you equated from the time he made his comments, we are just saying you have been shown time and again he was not the Tea Party Candidate and while someone else may have that perception as a so-called self proclaimed conservative it behooves you to tell people who repeat this falacy that it is a falacy.
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Re: ObamaCare and the “let it burn” theory of socialist collapse
« Reply #55 on: September 27, 2013, 10:16:45 pm »
What is false about this sentence? "It is the common perception that he typifies the TP."

That is my comment which invoked such a strong reaction from you.

What I'm about in my own words:

--Winning elections
--Convincing people to vote GOP and for conservatives
--Attracting people to conservative philosophy

The original Tea Party movement was great, because it elected people in 2010.

Not so sure today, if it is positive in the minds of potential voters. One reason would be TP endorsed candidates like Mourdoch and O'Donnell, plus the perceived TP candidate Akins.

Does that make it clear enough, yet?



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Re: ObamaCare and the “let it burn” theory of socialist collapse
« Reply #56 on: September 27, 2013, 10:58:23 pm »

 In poker they say everyone has a "tell" - we all have a "tell" in posting.  I have them, you have them everyone has them.  Y



LOL!  I apologize but it's perfect!    :silly:   


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Now, what we got here is a little game of show and tell.  You don't wanna show me nothin', but you're tellin me everything.  I know you know where they are, so tell me before I do some damage you won't walk away from.

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Re: ObamaCare and the “let it burn” theory of socialist collapse
« Reply #57 on: September 29, 2013, 01:20:12 pm »
Perhaps we should take a little trip to Greece, Portugal or Spain and ask conservatives there how the "let it burn" theory is working out for them.  The trouble is that socialism doesn't burn like a fire, it smolders and smolders and smolders until it finally takes its final  gasps.  The Soviets kept their system going for four generations, and they had nowhere near the sophistication we have to artificially prop up things in the USA today.

No, if OPapaDoc-care is allowed to blossom, it will never go away.  Never.

Actually it will go away, eventually; it just won't go away for us.  It took 72 years or so for the Soviet Union to formally collapse - almost 4 generations - but collapse it did; in the meantime, however, the lives of those 4 generations were destroyed, and the psyches of the fifth generation (at least) were so twisted that Russia is still teetering on the edge of the thuggishness and tyranny it took to keep the Soviet Union going for as long as it did.  In the meantime, when the Soviet Union collapsed, the collapse itself just did more damage to the then-living Soviet citizens, albeit damage that more of a one-time thing than a continuing degradation.

That is how Obamacare will finally burn itself out:  by suddenly and unexpectedly (at least to the average American and the politicians who are then in power) collapsing under its own weight, and taking with it all of the other government welfare (aka "entitlement") programs, after having severely damaged the lives of at least one or two generations of Americans.  And the consequences of that collapse, albeit also of the one-time variety - will be extremely painful to all Americans then living - except for the politicians in power at the time, most of whom will be able to protect themselves courtesy of taxpayer money - and will most likely result in a health care system that continues to be - pardon the pun - on life-support for at least a generation following the collapse of Obamacare.

Greece is, in fact, a very good illustration of what will eventually happen here.