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Re: ObamaCare and the “let it burn” theory of socialist collapse
« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2013, 04:06:58 pm »
Well, here's Cruz's flaw, right here:

No, the Senate doesn't continue to debate the bill.  Reid has already said he would simply pull the bill and demand that Boehner come up with another CR.

Cruz has no strategy.  As far as "mobilizing the American People," 1.8 million signatures on a petition is nothing.  Hell, the NAACP got that many signatures on a petition for the DOJ to prosecute George Zimmerman, and we laughed at that.

I say he does and I support it!  Sick and tired of "republican" surrender monkeys!
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Re: ObamaCare and the “let it burn” theory of socialist collapse
« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2013, 04:09:43 pm »
And I could never work with anyone who knows only surrender!

LOL!!  I'm still arguing with you, aren't I?
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Re: ObamaCare and the “let it burn” theory of socialist collapse
« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2013, 04:10:08 pm »
I will say this - I admire sinkspur's tenacity and conviction.  He defends his viewpoint with all comers.  I also respect his viewpoints despite not always agreeing with them.  A bit curmudgeonly?  Indeed.  But I can live with that.  He brings great value to this forum.
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Re: ObamaCare and the “let it burn” theory of socialist collapse
« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2013, 04:13:48 pm »
I will say this - I admire sinkspur's tenacity and conviction.  He defends his viewpoint with all comers.  I also respect his viewpoints despite not always agreeing with them.  A bit curmudgeonly?  Indeed.  But I can live with that.  He brings great value to this forum.

Hear!  Hear!   :beer:
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Re: ObamaCare and the “let it burn” theory of socialist collapse
« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2013, 04:14:04 pm »
I will say this - I admire sinkspur's tenacity and conviction.  He defends his viewpoint with all comers.  I also respect his viewpoints despite not always agreeing with them.  A bit curmudgeonly?  Indeed.  But I can live with that.  He brings great value to this forum.

Thank you, Lando.  I know how Ted Cruz feels.
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Re: ObamaCare and the “let it burn” theory of socialist collapse
« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2013, 04:24:50 pm »
The Democrats ARE NOT GOING TO BACK DOWN.  The sooner everybody realizes that, the better.

Notice that we aren't debating "The Republicans ARE NOT GOING TO BACK DOWN.  The sooner everybody realizes that, the better." and that the Democrats need to some up with a new plan.

Oh no.  It's the Republicans who must make certain realizations and 'come up with a new plan'.

Typical media-inspired thought-pattern parroting...


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Re: ObamaCare and the “let it burn” theory of socialist collapse
« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2013, 04:29:49 pm »
Notice that we aren't debating "The Republicans ARE NOT GOING TO BACK DOWN.  The sooner everybody realizes that, the better." and that the Democrats need to some up with a new plan.

Oh no.  It's the Republicans who must make certain realizations and 'come up with a new plan'.

Typical media-inspired thought-pattern parroting...

Exactly so!
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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Re: ObamaCare and the “let it burn” theory of socialist collapse
« Reply #32 on: September 27, 2013, 04:32:22 pm »
History belongs to those with a workable strategy.

 The landscape is littered with the carcasses of those who thought mere boldness and personal courage were sufficient to defeat an enemy.

You may want to go back to read your history books to review the battles that were won by those with the ability to strategize on the fly as opposed to those who watched as their best laid plans collapse.
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Re: ObamaCare and the “let it burn” theory of socialist collapse
« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2013, 06:13:22 pm »
Based on history, I won't be.  But, if I am, I will admit it and give kudos to Cruz and Lee.

If I'm not, the GOP will likely have ruined its chances to take the Senate in 2014.  The Tea Party, if it doesn't get its way, is notorious for taking its marbles and going home and will be anxious to teach "the GOPe" a lesson.  So, things will get even worse for conservatives.


If you do that will be a first... when Cruz won election after you swore over and over Dewhurst was going to wipe the floor with him you quietly disappeared for a couple of months rather than admit you were wrong.. only to reappear the first thing Cruz said something you didn't approve of.
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Re: ObamaCare and the “let it burn” theory of socialist collapse
« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2013, 06:16:00 pm »
Notice that we aren't debating "The Republicans ARE NOT GOING TO BACK DOWN.  The sooner everybody realizes that, the better." and that the Democrats need to some up with a new plan.

Oh no.  It's the Republicans who must make certain realizations and 'come up with a new plan'.

Typical media-inspired thought-pattern parroting...



as a companion to this thread I hope everyone read the post DC put in opinions... the excellent article speaks truth about the sad state of what we call Republicans.
�The time is now near at hand which must probably determine, whether Americans are to be, Freemen, or Slaves.� G Washington July 2, 1776

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Re: ObamaCare and the “let it burn” theory of socialist collapse
« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2013, 06:18:09 pm »
Todd Akin was NOT the Tea Party candidate.
Why?  Well, because I'm a bastard, that's why.

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Re: ObamaCare and the “let it burn” theory of socialist collapse
« Reply #36 on: September 27, 2013, 06:18:36 pm »
I will say this - I admire sinkspur's tenacity and conviction.  He defends his viewpoint with all comers.  I also respect his viewpoints despite not always agreeing with them.  A bit curmudgeonly?  Indeed.  But I can live with that.  He brings great value to this forum.


I admire tenacity and conviction as well, I don't admire striking out in a  vitriolic manner when people disagree with your position.
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Re: ObamaCare and the “let it burn” theory of socialist collapse
« Reply #37 on: September 27, 2013, 06:18:55 pm »

If you do that will be a first... when Cruz won election after you swore over and over Dewhurst was going to wipe the floor with him you quietly disappeared for a couple of months rather than admit you were wrong.. only to reappear the first thing Cruz said something you didn't approve of.

When you begin admitting your failures here, I will begin admitting mine.
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Re: ObamaCare and the “let it burn” theory of socialist collapse
« Reply #38 on: September 27, 2013, 06:19:30 pm »

I admire tenacity and conviction as well, I don't admire striking out in a  vitriolic manner when people disagree with your position.

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Re: ObamaCare and the “let it burn” theory of socialist collapse
« Reply #39 on: September 27, 2013, 06:19:55 pm »
Todd Akin was NOT the Tea Party candidate.

You're right, but the same people who hate the TP like to PRETEND he was.
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Re: ObamaCare and the “let it burn” theory of socialist collapse
« Reply #40 on: September 27, 2013, 06:21:24 pm »
Physician, heal thyself.


You have no idea what I hold back out if respect to Myst.  I suspect I'm not alone in holding back...
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Re: ObamaCare and the “let it burn” theory of socialist collapse
« Reply #41 on: September 27, 2013, 06:27:01 pm »

You have no idea what I hold back out if respect to Myst.  I suspect I'm not alone in holding back...

Likewise.
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Re: ObamaCare and the “let it burn” theory of socialist collapse
« Reply #42 on: September 27, 2013, 06:36:18 pm »
Todd Akin was NOT the Tea Party candidate.
It is the common perception that he typifies the TP.

Perception is reality. He who has the power to shape perception, has the real power.

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Re: ObamaCare and the “let it burn” theory of socialist collapse
« Reply #43 on: September 27, 2013, 06:41:22 pm »
It is the common perception that he typifies the TP.

Perception is reality. He who has the power to shape perception, has the real power.

In the world, yes, there are people here who know better than that continue to perpetuate that lie.
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Re: ObamaCare and the “let it burn” theory of socialist collapse
« Reply #44 on: September 27, 2013, 07:11:14 pm »
In the world, yes, there are people here who know better than that continue to perpetuate that lie.


Exactly and Truth Seeker you have been one who has made that claim from the very Sunday his comment was made public.  Even when presented with the facts if that primary..  that Akin was the candidate the RNSC supported and Steelman was the Tea Party candidate you India in using Akin to denigrate the Tea Party you so dislike so it is you who is helping spread a misperception.
 
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Re: ObamaCare and the “let it burn” theory of socialist collapse
« Reply #45 on: September 27, 2013, 07:16:57 pm »
He can't help it.  Akin is a boogey man that partys inside his head.  Murdouch and O'Donnell do too.

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Re: ObamaCare and the “let it burn” theory of socialist collapse
« Reply #46 on: September 27, 2013, 07:30:32 pm »
I will say this - I admire sinkspur's tenacity and conviction.  He defends his viewpoint with all comers.  I also respect his viewpoints despite not always agreeing with them.  A bit curmudgeonly?  Indeed.  But I can live with that.  He brings great value to this forum.

Definition of OBSTINATE:  perversely adhering to an opinion, purpose, or course in spite of reason, arguments, or persuasion
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

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Re: ObamaCare and the “let it burn” theory of socialist collapse
« Reply #47 on: September 27, 2013, 07:32:56 pm »
I will say this - I admire sinkspur's tenacity and conviction.  He defends his viewpoint with all comers.  I also respect his viewpoints despite not always agreeing with them.  A bit curmudgeonly?  Indeed.  But I can live with that.  He brings great value to this forum.

Yeah, he keeps it lively, that's for sure.  Entertainment for the onlookers.

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Re: ObamaCare and the “let it burn” theory of socialist collapse
« Reply #48 on: September 27, 2013, 07:37:58 pm »
Definition of OBSTINATE:  perversely adhering to an opinion, purpose, or course in spite of reason, arguments, or persuasion

Excuse me....but I haven't seen "reason, arguments, or persuasion" in any SERIOUS attempt, except perhaps Rapunzel.

Virtually all the rest are piling on.....somehow under the impression that joining in with insults and direct attacks....it proves weakness and flaws in Sinkspur's position.  It doesn't....to anybody who's been paying attention for the last, oh.....DECADE!

A lot of posters apparently don't like Sinkspur.   Instead they seem to prefer an echo chamber.

....to which I say..."NUTZ!!"
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Re: ObamaCare and the “let it burn” theory of socialist collapse
« Reply #49 on: September 27, 2013, 07:47:15 pm »

Exactly and Truth Seeker you have been one who has made that claim from the very Sunday his comment was made public.  Even when presented with the facts if that primary..  that Akin was the candidate the RNSC supported and Steelman was the Tea Party candidate you India in using Akin to denigrate the Tea Party you so dislike so it is you who is helping spread a misperception.
You are obviously not addressing what I wrote, so instead your predictable personal attack comes along.

I just said it is the PERCEPTION  he typifies the TP, and that is TRUE. I did NOT say he was TP.

He is perceived to be TP because other's that made similar goofy religious-social conservative statements WERE TP, namely O'Donnell and Mourdoch.

I'm not against the TP. I wish they were more careful about who they back, in order to improve the PERCEPTION of the TP.


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