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Offline Rapunzel

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« on: March 10, 2013, 12:02:20 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2013, 12:11:08 AM »
Meanwhile, we're turning increasingly scarce food crops into fuel.  Go figure.  I thought liberals perferred people to material objects, but now they'd rather starve the third world just to feed their fantasies of a "green" fuel economy.

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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2013, 12:12:31 AM »
Meanwhile, we're turning increasingly scarce food crops into fuel.  Go figure.  I thought liberals perferred people to material objects, but now they'd rather starve the third world just to feed their fantasies of a "green" fuel economy.

and ruining our cars and boats in the process, not to mention jacking up the price of food.

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« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2013, 12:28:20 AM »
and ruining our cars and boats in the process, not to mention jacking up the price of food.

Every time I pump E-10 into my Subaru (which must last me for years to come), I know I'm destroying the engine.  There is one Ethanol Free station 20 miles one way.  So far, I haven't been willing to drive 40 miles RT--but may soon--before they shove E-15 down our throats.
These environ people are totally insane and they operate with autonomy.

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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2013, 12:33:55 AM »
Every time I pump E-10 into my Subaru (which must last me for years to come), I know I'm destroying the engine.  There is one Ethanol Free station 20 miles one way.  So far, I haven't been willing to drive 40 miles RT--but may soon--before they shove E-15 down our throats.
These environ people are totally insane and they operate with autonomy.

I have a suburban with the large 8.1 engine.  Now I have to add the "Ethanol" additive when I fill up or I get the check engine light - (which is the vehicle emissions warning).... like you my car has to last......  yesterday when I was our my dogfood store I was talking to a couple in the store - he is a boat mechanic and the subject went to the high cost of repairs these days - he was telling me wht the replacement cost of just one fuel injector is these days (high) and the computer that runs the electronics retails for $7200......... talk about sending a cold chill down my spine..... yikes... he said this is one reason the marine industry is shrinking, fewer and fewer can afford the high repair costs in this economy without disposable income and now a person is more likely to look for an older boat with the older and easier to repair components and just fix it up... 

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« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2013, 12:39:26 AM »
I have a suburban with the large 8.1 engine.  Now I have to add the "Ethanol" additive when I fill up or I get the check engine light - (which is the vehicle emissions warning).... like you my car has to last......  yesterday when I was our my dogfood store I was talking to a couple in the store - he is a boat mechanic and the subject went to the high cost of repairs these days - he was telling me wht the replacement cost of just one fuel injector is these days (high) and the computer that runs the electronics retails for $7200......... talk about sending a cold chill down my spine..... yikes... he said this is one reason the marine industry is shrinking, fewer and fewer can afford the high repair costs in this economy without disposable income and now a person is more likely to look for an older boat with the older and easier to repair components and just fix it up... 

Did the mechanic say anything about additives that may help keep repairs in check?  I have tried  a couple of products, but sometimes feel like it is just a "snake oil" promise.

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« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2013, 12:58:52 AM »
Did the mechanic say anything about additives that may help keep repairs in check?  I have tried  a couple of products, but sometimes feel like it is just a "snake oil" promise.

I moderate a Lake Powell-related website. This subject comes up frequently and yes. the Stabil for Ethanol; is rated high as is the Lucas Oil Ethanol product.  I use the Lucas Oil additive formulated for Ethanol.  Last month I had to go over to Bullhead City to the doctor. I filled up here and on the way home right before the turn off on I40 toward town the check engine light came on and stayed on... I stopped at Petsmart, still on.. had to go to Albertson's so I purchased Prestone Ethanol additive there as it was all they had -- I put it in while in the parking lot and then drove over to the Chevy dealer.. which was about a 8 min drive - turned the engine off and when the service person came out to look at it and we turned the engine on the light went out, the additive had worked its way through the system   Same thing happened the last time I went to California - filled up in CA, light came on right around Needles and when I got home and pulled the manual and saw what causes it I put in additive, next day since I had not driven it the light was still on so I went over to the dealer -- when they checked the light was out - the additive had worked through the engine.  Now I just add it each fill up. 

This is a huge, huge problem in boats because of the moisture that is naturally attracted from being on the water and last year people were reporting they were having to carry spare filters and change them frequently..   

A lot of boaters are starting to talk about using "Star-Tron" which is an enzyme that breaks down the sludge caused by Ethanol - remember Ethanol works like a solvent and all the varnish etc., it cleans out of the system clogs fuel filters, injectors, etc...  and BTW both times I had problems were moist, rainy days - ethanol is hygroscopic - which means it is attracted to moisture in the air which it then deposits in the fuel in the vehicle.   I have not tried it yet, but it is available at WalMart and I think I am going to try it next as there has been so much good buzz about Star Tron.

One other problem is the Ethanol is not added at the source (factory) it is added at the service station when they pump the fuel they then add in Ethanol so there is no scientific measure being done, it is reported that some people have been testing their fuel and finding much more than E10, etc., in their fill-ups.
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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2013, 01:10:44 AM »
Thanks for the info, Rap.  Will look for the Star Tron.  Cheers

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« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2013, 11:30:22 AM »
and ruining our cars and boats in the process, not to mention jacking up the price of food.

Don't forget your small engines don't like ethanol either.  Found out you can buy two cycle pre-mixed gas without ethanol in it and it works wonders with the chain saw.   

You'd think in this part of the country we would not have to run our food for fuel, but alas, those of us that grew up shanghaiing casing- head gas right off the well head are just as screwed as the rest of you.


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