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The reasons why your "bugout plan" will absolutely fail!
« on: February 23, 2013, 02:54:55 PM »

The reasons why your "bugout plan" will absolutely fail!


posted on 2/22/2013 @ 07:56 PM     this post   


i am a former wilderness patrol ranger. i was responsible for solo backpack patrol and rescue in wilderness areas for years. i am a hunter who makes jerky, etc. i have a multi acre garden. i have survived in remote wilderness situations on several continents in extreme conditions. i have a full stock of arms and skills to use them. i have medical and all other survival skills, and own my own remote, productive acreage. i am of native american heritage and have all the cultural warrior hunting/training. i am an expert fisherman, ocean and river/lake, and i am not talking rod-n-reel fishing. i would last approximately 1-3 years...max, on my own with all the above, fully prepped, in a societal meltdown. you wont last as long as me.

i watch the survivor and prepper series on tv, and i lol my arse off, everytime. what poser, fake fools these so called bug-eating experts are. you can scale any cliff you want, spend all your carbs making ridiculous shelters. those activities are wastes, risks and the activity of fools. no one. i mean, no one except rare sadhu-types are going to survive in the lushest natural setting in america off of game traps and cattails for very long. no one. you would die of carb-loss within a year. name your carbs son. meat? nope. veggies? nope. i promise. if you try to live off the land,m you will die the first winter. *grins*

if you take your silly bugout bag, and start driving the 300 miles of roads from the city to our area to make your lean-to to trap squirrels and run around with guns, the people here will kill you long before you get to my rural locale. the rural places belong to us. no armed tramps will be waltzing in to make pine needle tea. we dont like guns in criminal hands, so we will shoot you. we will be a community. if you dont have a tank, dont head here. if you do, make sure there is an army behind that tank. dont come here with a gun and a pocketknofe and 3 days worth of freeze dried food. really.

now let me explain reality. i would die in 1-3 years, surrounded by elk, salmon, gardens... becasue men dont survive by themselves. gardens get pests. salmon runs are community owned. gardens that dont produce carbs must trade with gardens that do. those farmers will trade with cattle and goat and sheep ranchers. this is how society is formed. not for survival of the fittest, but for mutal benefit. as for wild meat...we know where the deer bed, where the elk winter, when the salmon run. in 1-2 years there will be no deer to share with you. we know how to hunt OUR deer. they are not sustainable as a food source and dont provide sufficient carbs for survival anyway.

try to understand, in wild Native America, the worst sentence the clans could put upon a crime was banishment. thats right. the finest warrior, the best hunter, when banished from the tribe, was destined to die. AND I AM TALKING ABOUT INDIANS HERE! women gather the acorns. elders weave the cloths. MEN DO NOT SURVIVE ALONE. trust me, ive put it to a field test.

can a sadhu live for 3 years in montana? sure, i have lived entirely off the land there once for 3 months as a test. at the end i was actually planning to raid a ranger cabin to get butter and cooking oil. you get crazy quick. is there permaculture farming? sure, some collectives with alot of people have made almost-permaculture farming work...rarely. but some stupid city fool with a bugout bag and guns planning to roll where a rural comunity already lives, and where a rural community will continue to survive, by working together as a community, will not be welcomed. sorry to inform you city folks, there is no 'real' wilderness in the lower 48. parts of siberia might better qualify.

heres a suggestion. instead of a friggin bugout bag, WHY ARE YOU CITIZENS OF THIS DEMOCRACY NOT STANDING UP FOR THE SURVIVAL COMMUNITY YOU HAVE ALREADY FORMED - THE UNITED STATES. save this country and our humanity for the next generation and stop planning how you will roll out and kill bambi and rednecks because you didnt have the heart or courage to stand against out-of-control globalist insanity that caused the fall. community is the only sane path for survival in hard times. and losers with guns and city-smarts dont have anything to add to our community. so they should start adding to their own and save this dyin g rock. preppers are fools in that regard.

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Re: The reasons why your "bugout plan" will absolutely fail!
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2013, 03:11:07 PM »
Wow this is good. Pull quote:

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WHY ARE YOU CITIZENS OF THIS DEMOCRACY NOT STANDING UP FOR THE SURVIVAL COMMUNITY YOU HAVE ALREADY FORMED - THE UNITED STATES. save this country and our humanity for the next generation...

Exactly. A lot of people dream of being cowboys, Indians and pioneers but in reality, would start crying after a week. I've thought about bug-out situations but they usually involved with getting to a temporary location in order to return and always involved connecting with a community I know. Mostly thought, it is academic thought, not something I actually take seriously and obsess over. I really think a bunch of keyboard cowboys really want another civil war or breakdown in society so they can become warlords or confederate generals. Prepping knowledge is good, being prepared is good, but being OCD and rooting for a breakdown is destructive. Whatever you prepare for should be tempered with taking action to prevent you from ever needing your preps.

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Re: The reasons why your "bugout plan" will absolutely fail!
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2013, 07:37:38 AM »
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Re: The reasons why your "bugout plan" will absolutely fail!
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2013, 08:41:56 AM »
The author is spot-on with the observation that isolated individuals do not survive, groups of individuals working together survive (or, at the least, have a better chance of surviving).  Another lesson to take from this is that better planning involves building a community of likeminded souls on whom you can count and acquiring enough acreage to be useable; that acreage should be where a large percentage of the aforementioned community lives.  That doesn't guarantee survival by any means, but it does mean you've better odds than the stereotyped bugout-bag-boy the author describes.

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Re: The reasons why your "bugout plan" will absolutely fail!
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2013, 09:25:18 AM »
We have food and supplies stocked up to keep us about two months, we're working on having more as we can.  We have water for one month.  I don't store anything that we don't rotate by dates and EAT.  If it's something that I don't usually eat on a regular basis, I'm not going to store it for food. 

We have a small garden that is getting bigger each year.  I can tomatos and stuff, freeze other stuff and dehydrate other stuff.  We live in a fairly defensible community of about 25 homes, surrounded by woods but still close enough to towns to be able to walk to. 

There's a lot we still want to do, but I know people that are spending a fortune on survival items that they will otherwise, probably never use - prepping for a scenario that will probably never happen.  More likely, we will eventually live like people in places like Cuba live and will probably be developing an underground barter society.  We prepare for months of survival on our own, but anything past that amount of time and you're going to see people trying to put their lives back to normal as best as possible. 

There's a lot of companies making a lot of money on this whole survival prepper thing and I say that is awesome.  People like us will survive because we are the squirrels putting back for the winter, we have the wits about us to be able to navigate what awaits us.  It's the others we will have to put up with and the government - which will smother every trace of iniative and creativity we'll have left.  It's a sorry way to live.
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