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Biden Bombed
« on: October 12, 2012, 02:49:31 AM »

Biden Bombed
12:06 AM, Oct 12, 2012 • By FRED BARNES

You don’t win a nationally televised debate by being rude and obnoxious.  You don’t win by interrupting your opponent time after time after time or by being a blowhard.  You don’t win with facial expressions, especially smirks or fake laughs, or by pretending to be utterly exasperated with what your opponent is saying.
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That’s why Vice President Joe Biden didn’t win the one and only debate last night with his Republican rival, Mitt Romney’s running mate Paul Ryan.

In fact, though Ryan had several weak moments—one of them was on Syria—the only conceivable takeaway from the veep debate was Biden’s out of control conduct.  It will be long remembered—and not favorably.

There’s one person who should be delighted with Biden. That’s Al Gore. He had the honor of having delivered the most over the top and weird performance in a presidential campaign debate when he sighed and frowned and acted frustrated in his first debate with George W. Bush in 2000. Now Biden has taken that crown—or dunce cap—from Gore.       

The only good thing about Thursday night’s debate for the Obama campaign was that it involved Biden rather than Obama.  As a result, it’s not likely to have any impact in the election and may not even affect the polls over the next few days.

What were the Obama strategists thinking?  Yes, Biden’s performance may have pleased the Democratic party’s liberal base.  So what?  Their votes are in the bag.  Obama needs to attract the small bloc of undecided and swing voters.  They’re not likely to lurch his way on the basis of the show Biden put on.

No doubt Biden was told to be aggressive.  No doubt he was told not to let Ryan get away with anything.  No doubt he was told not to let the moderator, ABC News correspondent Martha Raddatz, restrain him.

But he could have done those things without hurting his cause by acting like a man on uppers. Biden was one of the most popular members of Congress, well liked by Democrats, Republicans, and the press. That Biden wouldn’t have interrupted his opponent to score points or register disgust.  That Biden wouldn’t have been disrespectful.

That Biden did well in his 2008 debate with Sarah Palin. I suspect he was on his best behavior out of fear of losing the votes of women if he appeared to bully Palin.  So he didn’t.   Bullying Ryan may not have been as risky, but it didn’t work either.

There’s a way to disagree with your opponent without acting like a jerk.  The most recent example:  Romney’s firm but polite disagreements with Obama in their debate last week.  One can be assertive but affable, tough but cool.  Come to think of it, that was Obama’s style in the entire 2008 presidential race.  It worked brilliantly.  Biden did the opposite in front of tens of millions of American voters.  It didn’t work brilliantly.
“The time is now near at hand which must probably determine, whether Americans are to be, Freemen, or Slaves.” G Washington July 2, 1776

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Re: Biden Bombed
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2012, 02:58:19 AM »
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Re: Biden Bombed
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2012, 08:59:21 AM »
Michael Goodwin, NY Post, Bombastic Blather Will Fool No One

Told ya so. President Obama should have pulled a Joe Girardi and benched Joe Biden long ago. Hillary Rodham Clinton would have knocked last night’s debate out of the park and probably won the election for the Democrats.

Instead, Biden took the stage and made a fool of himself. The experience that supposedly qualifies him to be a heartbeat away is more than offset by the manic behavior he exhibited.

Following his mood swings was like riding a roller coaster. He was over-amped in the beginning and somber and melancholy toward the end. Did the medication kick in, or was it wearing off?

The indelible images were those numerous split screen shots of Biden laughing and shaking his head in condescension while Paul Ryan spoke about serious matters. Iran, taxes, jobs, Medicare — Biden snickered, sneered and giggled like he was privy to a private joke, while Ryan doggedly tried to address the nation’s most urgent problems.

Biden’s conduct was both rude and alarming. Instead of the services of liberal moderator Martha Raddatz, who was too deferential to Biden, we needed EMTs with a straitjacket.

Biden’s antics, including repeated interruptions, often seemed to throw Ryan off balance. But the young Republican challenger kept his cool and, while too often ceding the floor, ended up looking more mature than the incumbent 27 years his senior.

As such, he passed the most important test before him. With Mitt Romney shaking up the race with his brilliant performance in the first presidential debate, Ryan hoped to compound the gains. He may have done that in some quarters, but at the very least, he did no damage.

Centrist voters only aware of the Obama-Biden caricature of Ryan had to be impressed with his respectful and serious demeanor and firm grasp of facts on a wide range of issues, including most of the foreign- policy discussion.

He was especially good on describing the political nature of the Obama troop drawdown in Afghanistan by explaining how commanders wanted the troops there for the fighting season. Biden’s response, that politics were not involved at all is simply not believable to the many commanders who objected.

Surprisingly, Ryan left out of his answer on Syria Romney’s plan to arm the rebels, which is the major distinction from the Obama policy. He also let Biden talk too much during the tax segment and never addressed how economic growth would create jobs and help reduce the deficit.

Those moments, where Biden controlled the time and set the agenda by repeating false charges of Romney’s tax- reform plan that Ryan was forced to rebut, showed Biden at his Washington best. Arrogantly commanding the floor and talking with a certainty that belies his erratic record, he pointed his finger and even lectured Raddatz that “facts matter” when she dared challenge him.

It was pure bombast, as was his phony use of the phrase “my friend” 14 times to refer to Ryan.

To the extent that Biden’s hyper behavior was planned, it was clearly designed to reverse the image of a downcast, low-energy Obama in the first debate. Biden succeeded in that, but his conduct reinforced my concerns about his mental state. He doesn’t seem steady.

He also failed in the same way Obama did — to make a case for why the next four years would be better than the last four. That is the fundamental problem they share, and why they have turned to smear tactics to try to disqualify Romney and Ryan. That they have failed so far leaves them with a problem coming down the campaign stretch.

If they had a record they could defend, they would. And with two more presidential debates to come, Obama still must describe what a second term would look like.

If he can’t, he probably won’t get one.

“Let each citizen remember at the moment he is offering his vote that he is not making a present or a compliment to please an individual – or at least that he ought not so to do; but rather he is executing one of the most solemn trusts in human society for which he is accountable to God and his country.” Samuel Adams, April 16, 1781.

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Re: Biden Bombed
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2012, 11:15:46 AM »
President Obama should have pulled a Joe Girardi and benched Joe Biden long ago. Hillary Rodham Clinton would have knocked last night’s debate out of the park and probably won the election for the Democrats.

Have to disagree here.  Hillary proved she was no more qualified to be POTUS than 0bama after the fiasco in Libya. 

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Re: Biden Bombed
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2012, 11:19:54 AM »

I won't vote for Clinton, but I cannot vote for Trump.  How could I explain to my daughter why I supported a man who sees her as nothing more than a piece of meat, a piece of a$$ for him to grope for his own private pleasure.

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