Author Topic: Here’s how traders think the markets will react to the U.S. election,.....  (Read 1317 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline catfish1957

  • Pedo Joe Will Never Be My President
  • Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 15,288
  • Gender: Male


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-how-traders-think-the-markets-will-react-to-the-u-s-election-according-to-one-brokers-survey-11602070191?mod=mw_latestnews

<snipit>
The biggest fear for market participants from the election is no result at all, at least according to one survey of market participants.

Nomura’s Singapore-based currency team, for a second time, polled their clients on how they felt global markets would react. The more recent poll was conducted between Sept. 30 and Oct. 5, a period that included the first U.S. presidential debate as well as the hospitalization of President Donald Trump for COVID-19.



By far the worst scenario for the stock market, as measured by the S&P 500, would be no clear winner, according to this survey. The best scenario would be a re-election of Trump with a Republican Senate. Everything else would be a languid shrug.
===============================================================================

Behind the scenes brokers, investors, and anyone else with a lick of common sense knows that a Biden-Harris-AOC administration starts the death spiral toward socialism, and national debt reaching $40T by 2024.  I am deeply saddened that Biden is putting on this Trojan Horse centralist act to win the election. 

I for one, will and would hope others too plan a financial boycott a Biden presidency, where NO big ticket items are bought.  Just the essentials.  We have to destroy him before he destroys us.

I display the Confederate Battle Flag in honor of my great great great grandfathers who spilled blood at Wilson's Creek and Shiloh.  5 others served in the WBTS with honor too.

Offline jafo2010

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 3,303
  • Dems-greatest existential threat to USA republic!
When Trump ran, he was really an unknown quantity.  Conservatives did not trust he would attempt to complete his campaign promises.  But he did try, not getting much support from Congress along the way.

Biden on the other hand is no mystery.  If Biden wins, we get dramatic tax increases.  More regulation.  And corporations resume their flight from the USA for foreign lands.  It would mean millions of jobs lost permanently.  Biden would fulfill the Obama forecast, of one percent growth being the new norm.

And every American that votes for Biden deserves what they get.  UNEMPLOYMENT, SICKNESS and DEATH.  Yes, it will be that extreme.  And the workforce return to no wage growth for the next 4-8 years.  FOR REAL!!!  Welcome to Slavesville, yes, the Unites States of Slavesville.

Offline IsailedawayfromFR

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 13,981
When Trump ran, he was really an unknown quantity.  Conservatives did not trust he would attempt to complete his campaign promises.  But he did try, not getting much support from Congress along the way.

Biden on the other hand is no mystery.  If Biden wins, we get dramatic tax increases.  More regulation.  And corporations resume their flight from the USA for foreign lands.  It would mean millions of jobs lost permanently.  Biden would fulfill the Obama forecast, of one percent growth being the new norm.

And every American that votes for Biden deserves what they get.  UNEMPLOYMENT, SICKNESS and DEATH.  Yes, it will be that extreme.  And the workforce return to no wage growth for the next 4-8 years.  FOR REAL!!!  Welcome to Slavesville, yes, the Unites States of Slavesville.
I'll add that every eligible American that chooses not to vote deserves what they get as well as they have tacitly agreed to accept the will of others to rule over them rather than execute their duty as a citizen.
“no punishment, in my opinion, is too great, for the man who can build his greatness upon his country's ruin” ~  George Washington

Offline GtHawk

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 7,354
  • Gender: Male
  • Wake me up when the world is sane again!
I'll add that every eligible American that chooses not to vote deserves what they get as well as they have tacitly agreed to accept the will of others to rule over them rather than execute their duty as a citizen.
Agree, we had a friend that made a point of telling us he didn't vote and the next time he bitched about how things were going I told him to shut up because until he voted, and I told him I didn't care how, he had no right to complain.

RIP Rocky 7/5/2008 - 7/24/2020
You Have Earned Your Rest My Friend


Sometimes life just sucks

Offline catfish1957

  • Pedo Joe Will Never Be My President
  • Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 15,288
  • Gender: Male
Agree, we had a friend that made a point of telling us he didn't vote and the next time he bitched about how things were going I told him to shut up because until he voted, and I told him I didn't care how, he had no right to complain.

The old axiom is that Americans vote with their pocket books.  At last glance 58% of us have 401K's or IRA's.  The entire populus needs to look at the high  between January and November 2020.  Becuase if Biden is elected, it will be likely the inflation/contribution adjusted high water mark for their entire lifetime.

A Biden victory puts me in position of advocating  an extreme bear outlook.  Whether this will be in the form of a equity meltdown or hyper-inflationary spiral is yet to be seen.  Sadly your very few of the people in this country understands basic economics.  And one of the most cardinal rules of economics is when you spend way past your means, typically leads to bankruptcy. 

We are a bankrupt country right now....   It's just a fact the consequences have not caught up to the dirty deed.
« Last Edit: October 12, 2020, 01:17:44 PM by catfish1957 »
I display the Confederate Battle Flag in honor of my great great great grandfathers who spilled blood at Wilson's Creek and Shiloh.  5 others served in the WBTS with honor too.

Offline roamer_1

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 27,419
I'll add that every eligible American that chooses not to vote deserves what they get as well as they have tacitly agreed to accept the will of others to rule over them rather than execute their duty as a citizen.

What a load of crap.

Offline roamer_1

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 27,419
Agree, we had a friend that made a point of telling us he didn't vote and the next time he bitched about how things were going I told him to shut up because until he voted, and I told him I didn't care how, he had no right to complain.

Again, this is error.

The only demand the voter must fulfill, according to the founders, is to cast their vote with every judgement of conscience

If one conscientiously abstains - cannot vote for either when conscience stands in the way, the legitimacy of that abstention is every bit as valid as a vote.

In fact, the left and right do not exchange many votes. the difference is brought in the independents and in those who do not normally vote.

So abstention - Joining the mass that will not bother ti vote is in itself a statement on the legitimacy of the current race. If no one shows up (as happened in 2016) That serves to deny mandate, even if the win is not close. In that, even abstention has function.

in the end, the buyer is always right.If a campaign does not have the power to sway minds and influence people toward action, that campaign deserves what it gets.

Offline Gefn

  • "And though she be but little she is fierce"-Shakespeare
  • Cat Mod
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,110
  • Gender: Female
  • Quos Deus Vult Perdere Prius Dementat
Agree, we had a friend that made a point of telling us he didn't vote and the next time he bitched about how things were going I told him to shut up because until he voted, and I told him I didn't care how, he had no right to complain.

I know someone like that too. His reason for not voting is he doesn’t want to do jury duty. I liked jury duty the one time I did it. I hope I get called again.
G-d bless America. G-d bless us all                                 

Adopt a puppy or kitty from your local shelter

Offline Smokin Joe

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 35,901
  • A light at the end of a tunnel, but not The Light.
Again, this is error.

The only demand the voter must fulfill, according to the founders, is to cast their vote with every judgement of conscience

If one conscientiously abstains - cannot vote for either when conscience stands in the way, the legitimacy of that abstention is every bit as valid as a vote.

In fact, the left and right do not exchange many votes. the difference is brought in the independents and in those who do not normally vote.

So abstention - Joining the mass that will not bother ti vote is in itself a statement on the legitimacy of the current race. If no one shows up (as happened in 2016) That serves to deny mandate, even if the win is not close. In that, even abstention has function.

in the end, the buyer is always right.If a campaign does not have the power to sway minds and influence people toward action, that campaign deserves what it gets.
In all too many cases, not voting is only a measure of apathy.

I get it that in yours it is a vote for "None of the Above", but I think overall that signal may get lost in the noise of those who don't care. (Except among those of us who know what you are thinking on the issue).
How God must weep at humans' folly! Stand fast! God knows what he is doing!
Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression


There are no "Socialists", no "Progressives", only Communists, with every negative image that totalitarianism might muster, demanding fealty and conformity to their views, with a legacy of 150,000,000 dead and counting.

Offline roamer_1

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 27,419
In all too many cases, not voting is only a measure of apathy.

I get it that in yours it is a vote for "None of the Above", but I think overall that signal may get lost in the noise of those who don't care. (Except among those of us who know what you are thinking on the issue).


And that apathy is whose fault? When someone doesn't want your product, is not excited to go get your product, where does that blame lie?

Offline Gefn

  • "And though she be but little she is fierce"-Shakespeare
  • Cat Mod
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,110
  • Gender: Female
  • Quos Deus Vult Perdere Prius Dementat
100 years ago, suffragettes fought for the right for women to vote.

I do feel sad when women don’t vote. Our grandmothers, and great grandmothers went through all that so we could vote. And so many don’t show up at the polls like they couldn’t be bothered.

I feel we let down our grandmas and great grandmas
G-d bless America. G-d bless us all                                 

Adopt a puppy or kitty from your local shelter

Offline IsailedawayfromFR

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 13,981
Again, this is error.

The only demand the voter must fulfill, according to the founders, is to cast their vote with every judgement of conscience

If one conscientiously abstains - cannot vote for either when conscience stands in the way, the legitimacy of that abstention is every bit as valid as a vote.

In fact, the left and right do not exchange many votes. the difference is brought in the independents and in those who do not normally vote.

So abstention - Joining the mass that will not bother ti vote is in itself a statement on the legitimacy of the current race. If no one shows up (as happened in 2016) That serves to deny mandate, even if the win is not close. In that, even abstention has function.

in the end, the buyer is always right.If a campaign does not have the power to sway minds and influence people toward action, that campaign deserves what it gets.
You are entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts.  Mike Pence October 7, 2020

Let each citizen remember at the moment he is offering his vote that he is not making a present or a compliment to please an individual - or at least that he ought not so to do; but that he is executing one of the most solemn trusts in human society for which he is accountable to God and his country.

Samuel Adams: Essay in the Boston Gazette, April 16, 1781
“no punishment, in my opinion, is too great, for the man who can build his greatness upon his country's ruin” ~  George Washington

Offline roamer_1

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 27,419
You are entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts.  Mike Pence October 7, 2020

Let each citizen remember at the moment he is offering his vote that he is not making a present or a compliment to please an individual - or at least that he ought not so to do; but that he is executing one of the most solemn trusts in human society for which he is accountable to God and his country.

Samuel Adams: Essay in the Boston Gazette, April 16, 1781


Thank you for making my point.

Offline Cyber Liberty

  • Coffee! Donuts! Kittens!
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 64,237
  • Gender: Male
I know someone like that too. His reason for not voting is he doesn’t want to do jury duty. I liked jury duty the one time I did it. I hope I get called again.

If your friend didn't register to vote to avoid Jury Duty, then he's a dolt because most states now use the Drivers License database to select potential Jurors.
December 11, 2020:  "Government of the people, by the people and for the people has finally perished from the Earth."
I will NOT comply.
 
Castillo del Cyber Autonomous Zone ~~~~~>                          :dontfeed:

Offline Cyber Liberty

  • Coffee! Donuts! Kittens!
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 64,237
  • Gender: Male
Thank you for making my point.

He made his, too.  Stated another way:  You both have good points.
December 11, 2020:  "Government of the people, by the people and for the people has finally perished from the Earth."
I will NOT comply.
 
Castillo del Cyber Autonomous Zone ~~~~~>                          :dontfeed:

Offline roamer_1

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 27,419
He made his, too.  Stated another way:  You both have good points.

Both cannot be true.

Offline Smokin Joe

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 35,901
  • A light at the end of a tunnel, but not The Light.

And that apathy is whose fault? When someone doesn't want your product, is not excited to go get your product, where does that blame lie?
That apathy goes from the POTUS election right down to county commissioners, initiated measures at the state and local level, bond issues, etc.

It isn't even a question of wanting or not wanting a product, it's a question of being distracted, lazy, ill- or completely un-informed, of failures in education and media which are likely intentional, and people who can give you the stats on every player, past and present for a sports team 700 miles away, or can name every cheat code in every version of half a dozen video games, but can't name their own county commissioners.

They say politics is "too complicated". Most of them couldn't tell you what's in the first, third, or fifth Amendment. No bloody clue.

People have been TRAINED to be apathetic. When is the last time you heard of kids getting a Civics Class, (they called it "Government" for a while, and I don't know if they even get that any more.) The only history they hear any more is how the people who turned this land into one of the most powerful countries in history are "evil" and "rasis" and should be paying other people for the opportunities they've provided. When all they get from their teevee is lies and distortions, what do you expect? They have been convinced in an all out PSYOP to believe nothing they do will make any difference, unless they are from one of the violent and seditious groups that marches in lockstep with the very crap we fight against.

This is no accident. With that apathy comes a somnolent neutrality.

Try talking with any of them about a local ordinance that affects them and their eyes glaze over, but they can cite the baseball or football rulebook, chapter and verse.

So, start with the school board elections and go up from there. But people don't have time with all the other distractions or the energy from making a living (in some cases) to bother. They have been bought with bread and circuses.
How God must weep at humans' folly! Stand fast! God knows what he is doing!
Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression


There are no "Socialists", no "Progressives", only Communists, with every negative image that totalitarianism might muster, demanding fealty and conformity to their views, with a legacy of 150,000,000 dead and counting.

Offline roamer_1

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 27,419
That apathy goes from the POTUS election right down to county commissioners, initiated measures at the state and local level, bond issues, etc.

It isn't even a question of wanting or not wanting a product, it's a question of being distracted, lazy, ill- or completely un-informed, of failures in education and media which are likely intentional, and people who can give you the stats on every player, past and present for a sports team 700 miles away, or can name every cheat code in every version of half a dozen video games, but can't name their own county commissioners.

They say politics is "too complicated". Most of them couldn't tell you what's in the first, third, or fifth Amendment. No bloody clue.

People have been TRAINED to be apathetic. When is the last time you heard of kids getting a Civics Class, (they called it "Government" for a while, and I don't know if they even get that any more.) The only history they hear any more is how the people who turned this land into one of the most powerful countries in history are "evil" and "rasis" and should be paying other people for the opportunities they've provided. When all they get from their teevee is lies and distortions, what do you expect? They have been convinced in an all out PSYOP to believe nothing they do will make any difference, unless they are from one of the violent and seditious groups that marches in lockstep with the very crap we fight against.

This is no accident. With that apathy comes a somnolent neutrality.

Try talking with any of them about a local ordinance that affects them and their eyes glaze over, but they can cite the baseball or football rulebook, chapter and verse.

So, start with the school board elections and go up from there. But people don't have time with all the other distractions or the energy from making a living (in some cases) to bother. They have been bought with bread and circuses.

Yes, to a great degree, what you say is true. But also has always been true. What I would point to is the Conservative juggernaut. Every single time, when Conservatives DO hear the clarion call, it is because the Conservative message is sung perfectly, like a song. I point to Reagan, the '94 elections, and the TEA party... In every case, Conservative ranks swelled to unconquerable potential.

Where do all those votes come from, do you suppose?

Offline Cyber Liberty

  • Coffee! Donuts! Kittens!
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 64,237
  • Gender: Male
Yes, to a great degree, what you say is true. But also has always been true. What I would point to is the Conservative juggernaut. Every single time, when Conservatives DO hear the clarion call, it is because the Conservative message is sung perfectly, like a song. I point to Reagan, the '94 elections, and the TEA party... In every case, Conservative ranks swelled to unconquerable potential.

Where do all those votes come from, do you suppose?

Ronald Reagan signed bills that increased the National Debt.  You should be against him?
December 11, 2020:  "Government of the people, by the people and for the people has finally perished from the Earth."
I will NOT comply.
 
Castillo del Cyber Autonomous Zone ~~~~~>                          :dontfeed:

Offline Smokin Joe

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 35,901
  • A light at the end of a tunnel, but not The Light.
Yes, to a great degree, what you say is true. But also has always been true. What I would point to is the Conservative juggernaut. Every single time, when Conservatives DO hear the clarion call, it is because the Conservative message is sung perfectly, like a song. I point to Reagan, the '94 elections, and the TEA party... In every case, Conservative ranks swelled to unconquerable potential.

Where do all those votes come from, do you suppose?
People who think that, just maybe, this time, they might have a fighting chance to get someone in who will make a difference. The disappointment in the Freshman class the TEA party movement ushered in was profound and justified. Some of the had all the symptoms of Beltway Fever before they were even sworn in.

I think that did more to reinforce the attitude that nothing would make a difference, anyway, so why bother? There's your apathy, rooted in perfidy.
« Last Edit: October 13, 2020, 04:00:44 PM by Smokin Joe »
How God must weep at humans' folly! Stand fast! God knows what he is doing!
Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression


There are no "Socialists", no "Progressives", only Communists, with every negative image that totalitarianism might muster, demanding fealty and conformity to their views, with a legacy of 150,000,000 dead and counting.

Offline catfish1957

  • Pedo Joe Will Never Be My President
  • Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 15,288
  • Gender: Male
I am still hopeful that conservatives decide to work on a "Big Ticket" boycott of a Biden economy, in case he wins.

So much campaign rhetoric is wedged in unemployment, CPI, GDP, etc. numbers.  Time to squeeze these socialist by the balls, and make them squeal.
I display the Confederate Battle Flag in honor of my great great great grandfathers who spilled blood at Wilson's Creek and Shiloh.  5 others served in the WBTS with honor too.

Offline roamer_1

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 27,419
Ronald Reagan signed bills that increased the National Debt.  You should be against him?

Yeah, I was hoppin mad about that.

But 40 years in the desert - 40 years without conservative control of congress is whole orders of magnitude different from today. They have had the whole government, ALL houses in their control, and have done NOTHING. To include this administration.

And secondly, Reagan was the ESTABLISHMENT of the current Conservative awakening. What he did was less defining than what he said at the time... What he said matured long after his office.

So 'well, Reagan did it' is a damn poor excuse. And doubly ignorant.

Offline roamer_1

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 27,419
People who think that, just maybe, this time, they might have a fighting chance to get someone in who will make a difference. The disappointment in the Freshman class the TEA party movement ushered in was profound and justified. Some of the had all the symptoms of Beltway Fever before they were even sworn in.

I think that did more to reinforce the attitude that nothing would make a difference, anyway, so why bother? There's your apathy, rooted in perfidy.

Certainly, why bother with LESS, to be sure.

Offline roamer_1

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 27,419
And still unanswered from my adjacent comments: Where did those votes come from?

Offline Cyber Liberty

  • Coffee! Donuts! Kittens!
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 64,237
  • Gender: Male
Yeah, I was hoppin mad about that.

But 40 years in the desert - 40 years without conservative control of congress is whole orders of magnitude different from today. They have had the whole government, ALL houses in their control, and have done NOTHING. To include this administration.

And secondly, Reagan was the ESTABLISHMENT of the current Conservative awakening. What he did was less defining than what he said at the time... What he said matured long after his office.

So 'well, Reagan did it' is a damn poor excuse. And doubly ignorant.

I guess maybe that's why I asked for enlightenment.   :shrug:
December 11, 2020:  "Government of the people, by the people and for the people has finally perished from the Earth."
I will NOT comply.
 
Castillo del Cyber Autonomous Zone ~~~~~>                          :dontfeed:


Share me

Digg  Facebook  SlashDot  Delicious  Technorati  Twitter  Google  Yahoo
Smf